Deploy troops in Iran...!

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Or are you talking about the coalition liberation of Iraq where our troops are dying to prevent Muslims from slaughtering each other?

If by some chance we started carpet-bombing Baghdad and causing massive death and destruction, then my apologies for missing that. Otherwise you might like to start supporting the ceasaccion of Violence in that country so that the people can live without fear.
Or do you think that the Suicide bombers blowing hundreds of people to bits every day are wearing British Helmets?

For your own sake stop interfering in our internal affairs. You are in fact provoking them. You are the ones arming different factions and giving them financial and political incentive to kill one another for your diabolical shemes. For example, now you are using tribal groups in Anbar province of Iraq, arming them and financing them, to kill Islamic armed resistance groups. Just like you armed and supported "Northern Alliance" to attack Taliban government. Sooner you leave us, our people, governments, and land alone the sooner the bloodshed will stop. Rather you insist on provoking the violence. You are the real terrorist, and we are the soldiers of Truth. May Allah Taala give us victory over you. Ameen.
 
if it is proven that they were in iranian waters and islam says it is ok to kill them

Islam DOESN'T say it's ok to kill them. Get your facts straight, before basing your assumptions.
 
Islam DOESN'T say it's ok to kill them. Get your facts straight, before basing your assumptions.

i agree with you - i do know better. i was only responding to talha's post. i am not in a position to sit and argue islam - but i do know this situation is very frightening and i hope it is solved peacefully.
 
Excuse me brother but where does Islam say it is ok to kill them?

Islam enjoins as an obligation that Muslims should fight against those who have attacked them. America and UK and a host of other Western countries have invaded Iraq. The Holy Quran says:

Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe! (9:13)

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
(2:190)
 
For your own sake stop interfering in our internal affairs. You are in fact provoking them. You are the ones arming different factions and giving them financial and political incentive to kill one another for your diabolical shemes. For example, now you are using tribal groups in Anbar province of Iraq, arming them and financing them, to kill Islamic armed resistance groups. Just like you armed and supported "Northern Alliance" to attack Taliban government. Sooner you leave us, our people, governments, and land alone the sooner the bloodshed will stop. Rather you insist on provoking the violence. You are the real terrorist, and we are the soldiers of Truth. May Allah Taala give us victory over you. Ameen.

Internal affairs such as slaughtering women & Kids..Nahh, i think we will indeed train and arm the Army and police to stop that.

And we armed the Northern Alliance. well we just supported their attack on the Women-stoning decapitation-obssessed lunatics who supported & sheltered the organisation that deliberatly massacred 3000 people in skyscrapers.(or was that Mossad :blind: )

We provoke the violence by killing suicide bombers , building schools and hospitals and trying to fix the power lines that the "soldiers of truth" keep tearing down.

there are some "soldiers" and i use the term very loosely, who need to get out of a soverign iraq, and I think you find the polls that ask the Iraqi's who they are...they wont say the coalition.

As soon as you stop butchering innocent muslims, we can get back to sailsbury plain. Then ..guess what..the violence will stop.
So again....Who shot 70 random people dead yesterday?
US Marines?
UK Tommies?
Muslim fanatics?
 
Now be careful Hana, Islam tells us that we have right to kill invaders, US/UK troops are invaders, everyone who is fighting them have right to kill them, not transgressing the limits tho, may Allah forgive me if I'm wrong, but it's kinda obvious to me in this situation that muslims are completely justified to kill occupiers and drive them out.

I'm not refering to the Iranian situation tho, killing prisoners or killing enemies who you can imprison is prohibited by Islam as far as I know. Alllahu alim.

Salam Alaikum Bro:

Yes, you are absolutely right in your first statement, but I was referring to a comment made regarding the Iran situation.

Jazak Allah Khair, bro

Wa'alaikum salam
Hana
 
Islam enjoins as an obligation that Muslims should fight against those who have attacked them. America and UK and a host of other Western countries have invaded Iraq. The Holy Quran says:

Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe! (9:13)

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
(2:190)

Saddam Hussein invaded 2 Islamic countries (3 if you count his brief foray in Saudi). He murderd several hundred thousand Shia in the insurrection and many 10's of thousands of Kurdish Muslims. His armies killed perhaps a million Iranians in the Iran/Iraq war. He purposely limited the freedom to practice Islam among the Shia.

Where was the Quranic recitation to defeat him? As you say, "Allah loveth not transgressors". It seems some transgressors are more equal than others, eh?
 
Saddam Hussein invaded 2 Islamic countries (3 if you count his brief foray in Saudi). He murderd several hundred thousand Shia in the insurrection and many 10's of thousands of Kurdish Muslims. His armies killed perhaps a million Iranians in the Iran/Iraq war. He purposely limited the freedom to practice Islam among the Shia.

Where was the Quranic recitation to defeat him? As you say, "Allah loveth not transgressors". It seems some transgressors are more equal than others, eh?

You seem to forget that America empowered Saddam Hussein, helping him build up a massive military and equipping him to invade Iran after the Islamic Revolution. Saddam Hussein indirectly murdered millions of Muslims, including those who resisted him. Where was America then? America was on his side, he was their puppet, just like nearly every other dictator in the Muslim countries. Now America has invaded Iraq, carpet bombed innocent people and tortured their "prisoners" and thinks that it does not deserve to have Muslims resist them. America has their cake and wants to eat it too.
 
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Saddam Hussein invaded 2 Islamic countries (3 if you count his brief foray in Saudi). He murderd several hundred thousand Shia in the insurrection and many 10's of thousands of Kurdish Muslims. His armies killed perhaps a million Iranians in the Iran/Iraq war. He purposely limited the freedom to practice Islam among the Shia.

Where was the Quranic recitation to defeat him? As you say, "Allah loveth not transgressors". It seems some transgressors are more equal than others, eh?

The crusades killed over 300,000 muslims ( a lot of them warriors) over 300 years. To this day they are Rightly condemmed by East and West Alike.

Saddam killed nearly 2 million people in 35 years and he's a hero of the ummah apparently.
181000 muslims have died in the Sudan since 2003. In 3 years they will equal the Crusades. I sincerely hope that the Ummah will put as much energy into sorting this out as they do into addressing the 500 odd accidental deaths from western bombs that missed their targets.
 
Now America has invaded Iraq, carpet bombed innocent people .


We Did? Oh my goodness? When?

America has over 3000 aircraft, Their B1 bomber fleet on its own can drop over 29,000,000 lbs of high explosive in one strike. They could wipe out an entire city! Then theres their B2's and B52's. America is carpet-bombing the ummar! Theyre dressing up as suicide bombers and slaughtering schoolkids.

Someone must tell the Truth!
 
Saddam killed nearly 2 million people in 35 years and he's a hero of the ummah apparently.

i have yet to hear any muslim who thinks saddam hussein was a hero.
you do not need to love hussein to hate the u.s. invasion, built on lies, lies and more lies.
 
Oh i have heard lots and lots of Muslims who think that. There was a couple of million in Iraq for starters.

I have a reoccuring theme, i notice in many of my posts. The hard facts of the current situation in Iraq in that the majority want troops there and think that the invasion was neccessery, is ALWAYS skipped by people.
The fact that the invasion was , by this, actually a liberation.
The fact Iraq is a soverign state now and it's government want us to stay.
The Fact that 98% of deaths in Iraq are Muslims killed by Muslims, supported by their "brothers" in other states. the other 2% are caused by coalition mistargeting.
The fact that we would have been gone in a year if Muslim States and western-hating jihadists would just curb their love of blowing civilians to bits for 5 flaming minuites.

GET OUT OF IRAQ. IT'S THEIRS.

By the way.. Sudan saddam and the crusades. I'd value your opinion on those figures.
 
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Islam enjoins as an obligation that Muslims should fight against those who have attacked them. America and UK and a host of other Western countries have invaded Iraq. The Holy Quran says:

Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe! (9:13)

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
(2:190)

These people were not combatants, they were UN personnel on routine patrol. Did the UN go to war when we weren't looking?

Nations under military attack have to stick to very strict rules of self defense. "You may use lethal force with God's permission only against those who are currently using lethal force against you . . . but you may only kill the ones you confront in battle, and you may only expel your opponents from places they have previously expelled you from. Mass murder because of religion is worse than plain killing. . . . use force to stop it so that people's souls are free under God alone. If they stop using force, then you stop, too . . . Respond only with equal counter attack . . ." 2:190ff

Since the invention of bombs, it has become nearly impossible to limit combat killing to those who are currently trying to kill you. When "collateral damage" is expected, it is akin to premeditated mass murder, not self defense. This defeats the sole purpose of self defense: to preserve one's life and the lives of defenseless civilians.

Nowadays, atrocities, especially wars against people of a certain faith, must be stopped with international non-lethal pressure. It seems as if God expected that, by the time we invented bombs and machine guns, we would be evolved enough to deter and eliminate wars.

Insights from Imam Tamman Adi of the Islamic Cultural Center of Eugene, Oregon
 
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These people were not combatants, they were UN personnel on routine patrol.

Actually they were British Navy personnel (UK Sailors), meaning they were in fact combatants. The Navy is part of the British military.
 
Actually, i think the Sailors were not operating under the UN, but on instructions from the Iraqi Government interdicting arms and terrorist smuggling. Minor point i suppose. :)
I dont think jihadists care who's authority they worked under.
 
Actually they were British Navy personnel (UK Sailors), meaning they were in fact combatants. The Navy is part of the British military.

If as Barney says they were under instruction from Iraqs own government then that ends the argument.

Talha if you truly believe that the war in Iraq, which has dragged on for years now, is the west making a war against Islam then may I ask why you are still in Canada?
 
Saddam killed nearly 2 million people in 35 years and he's a hero of the ummah apparently.
181000 muslims have died in the Sudan since 2003. In 3 years they will equal the Crusades. I sincerely hope that the Ummah will put as much energy into sorting this out as they do into addressing the 500 odd accidental deaths from western bombs that missed their targets.

Let me get something straight.

Saddam Hussein was a secular leader of the secular socialist country.

He was NOT a sunni leader, the guy was prolly not even a muslim during his rule - he built a monument of himself(you prolly seen it being destroyed) - in Islam this sin referred to as "shirk"

Shirk - is such a sin which basicly makes you non-muslim.

I heard he repented before his death and converted to Islam, don't know much about that tho, and don't really care.

Baath party - former ruling party of Iraq was NOT an islamic party - it was purely secular nationalist, socialist party, sunnis as well as shia's were member of it, I doubt that they were really muslims tho, I mean doesnt matter who they were, they followed unislamic, atheist ideology of their party.

Actually, i think the Sailors were not operating under the UN, but on instructions from the Iraqi Government interdicting arms and terrorist smuggling. Minor point i suppose.
I dont think jihadists care who's authority they worked under.

It doesn't really matter, they are in-fact part of invading forces - it makes them combatants, had they permission of a puppet government or not, doesnt change a thing
 
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