Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

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Exactly. These leaders should be punished for inciting hatred and causing trouble.
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Unfortunately, that's not the truth. Israel broke the agreement that they had with the Islamic Waqf, that they would consult with them before engaging in any construction or deconstruction activity at the holy site, which justifies their outrage as well as the people's. If they were really doing something so simple as just replacing a ramp, why couldn't they just tell them they were doing it instead of having them find out through the news? But anyways, this isn't the first time Isreal's broken a deal so it's no surprise.

Plus given that the Israeli interior minister himself is asking for the construction to be halted and them pushing forth anyway, doesn't really make them look all that great to me.

The funny thing is...that this renovation happened at the EXACT same time that the leaders of Hamas and Fatah went to Mecca.

Coincidence?

...I think not ;)
 
Skywalker said:
Unfortunately, that's not the truth. Israel broke the agreement that they had with the Islamic Waqf, that they would consult with them before engaging in any construction or deconstruction activity at the holy site
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A link will be needed for evidence of this agreement, and also another link showing that the agreement was broken, please.

Skywalker said:
which justifies their outrage as well as the people's.
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Honestly, it doesn't take much for these people to "justify" their outrage. Alot of people are getting a little impatient with all this 'outrage'. We see people willing to take to the streets and express their outrage, burn flags, destroy property, attack tourists, and work themselves into a frenzy over construction that is 'near' a mosque. Yet when a suicide bomber blows himself up in a Haifa or Bagdad market killing dozens of women and children, we don't see this same kind of outrage. The priorities are a little bit off.

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But anyways, this isn't the first time Isreal's broken a deal so it's no surprise.
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To be fair, it would not the first time either side broke a deal. Israel has become accustomed to waiting to see how long before palestinians break the lastest deal made.
 
Why would palestinians attack canadian tourists? They had nothing to do with any renovations. Honestly, this behaviour is just uncivilized. There is no justification.
 
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A link will be needed for evidence of this agreement, and also another link showing that the agreement was broken, please.
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Here are a couple of links that clearly state that the "Waqf" was given administration rights to the Temple Mount by the Israeli government.

http://www.jcpa.org/jcprg10.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jerusalem

I'm still trying to find the old article that I read that says how the Waqf found out about to construction through the media, but either way, any article you read about the construction clearly shows that the Waqf is in disagreement.

Honestly, it doesn't take much for these people to "justify" their outrage. Alot of people are getting a little impatient with all this 'outrage'. We see people willing to take to the streets and express their outrage, burn flags, destroy property, attack tourists, and work themselves into a frenzy over construction that is 'near' a mosque. Yet when a suicide bomber blows himself up in a Haifa or Bagdad market killing dozens of women and children, we don't see this same kind of outrage. The priorities are a little bit off.
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To be perfectly honest, I do think that the Muslims are over-reacting a bit, however, like I said before, the Temple Mount is a very sensitive issue for both Jews and Muslims and each side should be very careful when planning any work in that area. I know that the Waqf took the Israeli government's permission to build a minaret on the site a few years back, so why couldn't the Isrealis at least mention that they're gonna do something to the Waqf? I think it was pretty irresponsible (or arrogant) of them to go forth the way they did, because everyone KNOWS that it's a very sensitive subject for a lot of people.

Why would palestinians attack canadian tourists? They had nothing to do with any renovations. Honestly, this behaviour is just uncivilized. There is no justification.
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Yeah that's pretty stupid. Maybe they thought it was an Israeli troop carrier bus bringing in reinforcements??
 
Remember The Days Before Us....destroyed Thee And Thee Will Be Destroyed....patience Brothers The Truth Will Come To Them Like The Spear Of An Arrow...
 
IzakHalevas said:
Not the Temple Mount. To rebuild the Holy Temple without the Messiah would be blasphemy.
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Thats interesting, but unfortunately this Jewish terrorist group didnt agree with you:

Israeli authorities have foiled the terrorist organisation Makhteret's plans to blow up the al-Aqsa Mosque, Makhteret is a branch of the right-wing Jewish organization Kach.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach

Izak, i understand that Prophet Jesus PBUH fortold the destruction of the Jewish temple, but you dont believe in Jesus PBUH. Do you have Jewish sources which base your claim that the Massiah will rebuild the temple and was its destruction prophesised in Jewish scriptures?
 
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Here are a couple of links that clearly state that the "Waqf" was given administration rights to the Temple Mount by the Israeli government.

http://www.jcpa.org/jcprg10.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jerusalem
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Thanks.

Skywalker said:
I'm still trying to find the old article that I read that says how the Waqf found out about to construction through the media, but either way, any article you read about the construction clearly shows that the Waqf is in disagreement.
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I look forward to it.

Skywalker said:
To be perfectly honest, I do think that the Muslims are over-reacting a bit, however, like I said before, the Temple Mount is a very sensitive issue for both Jews and Muslims and each side should be very careful when planning any work in that area. I know that the Waqf took the Israeli government's permission to build a minaret on the site a few years back, so why couldn't the Isrealis at least mention that they're gonna do something to the Waqf? I think it was pretty irresponsible (or arrogant) of them to go forth the way they did, because everyone KNOWS that it's a very sensitive subject for a lot of people.
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If it is true, then I would agree that they should have let them know.


Why would palestinians attack canadian tourists? They had nothing to do with any renovations. Honestly, this behaviour is just uncivilized. There is no justification.
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Skywalker said:
Yeah that's pretty stupid. Maybe they thought it was an Israeli troop carrier bus bringing in reinforcements??
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Yes very stupid. I don't think that they looked like Israeli soldiers. I have seen a picture of the bus, it is clearly a tourist bus with large windows to view both in and out of the bus.
 
There are no way that some people on here would ever understand whats going on, Your not admitting the truth
 
Selam aleykum
You know what really troubles my mind. If there are truly people who wish to destroy teh mosque and rebuild the temple that once stood there, then I can understand on one hand why muslims should try to defend the mosque. But on the other hand, I once read a hadith that the dajjal will appear in that temple. So any muslim who obviously believes in teh prophesy of Muhammed peace be upon him and believes in teh accuracy of the hadeeth also believes that at some point in the future it will be rebuild in order for that prediction to come true. So should we put our effort in trying to stop something we know is destined to happen either way? On one hand you could say that it is our responsibility to try, even if we know we'll fail; on the other hand we could argue that the prospect of failure should tell us we're better off investing our efforts in other projects that might work.
 
IzakHalevas said:


If one does not rebuke, then he is responsible for the other's sin (Sefer HaMitzvoth, Positive 205; cf. Shabbath 54b).

This "Rabbi" was saying something completly different then what Judaism teaches. I therefore, rebuked her. Rather well, eh?
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I'm not going to split hairs on the argument concerning the female. Though I've yet to see this written as a forbidden...it does not follow tradition. My concern was over this portion of your statement: 'They are disgusting'. The language was a bit strong, unless you happen to know each and every one of them has committed sins that would make them disgusting.

Example: The Jews call Ezra the Son of God. Do you enjoy being lumped in with this accusation?

Off topic though. No one has told me if the Israeli government had discussed this repair work with the Muslims at Al Aqsa in advance. It seems to me, judging from the Muslim complaint, there is a common courtesy that went missing and the workers and security just showed up without notice. The common courtesy could have spared us all this topic discussion.

Ninth Scribe
 
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sudais1 said:
There are no way that some people on here would ever understand whats going on, You're not admitting the truth.
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Sudais, I'm not denying that there are some who would relish in tempting fate. On this forum alone I came across a thread concerning a person who thought about suicide because they were curious about God (we know what the result of that would be). I know of two Jewish groups that are attempting to produce red heifers (guaranteed the same result). They scare me. But they also scare the Israeli government, and while they've pulled some 'questionables' themselves (I'm trying to be nice), there are some lines that simply cannot be redrawn just for the h-ll of it, with no respect for appointed times and places. The Temple mount is 'non-negotiable' unless Allah himself says otherwise. Good luck with that, by the way.

Al Aqsa is protected by God - and the only problem I can find here is in the form of a lack of faith. If Allah tells you that you'll burn your hand if you stick it in the fire... and you do it and get burned... you suffer because you did not have faith in his words. It's his word that protects Al Aqsa. It's good enough for me. It should be good enough for everyone else.

It was so written.

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steve said:
Selam aleykum
You know what really troubles my mind. If there are truly people who wish to destroy teh mosque and rebuild the temple that once stood there, then I can understand on one hand why muslims should try to defend the mosque. But on the other hand, I once read a hadith that the dajjal will appear in that temple. So any muslim who obviously believes in teh prophesy of Muhammed peace be upon him and believes in teh accuracy of the hadeeth also believes that at some point in the future it will be rebuild in order for that prediction to come true. So should we put our effort in trying to stop something we know is destined to happen either way? On one hand you could say that it is our responsibility to try, even if we know we'll fail; on the other hand we could argue that the prospect of failure should tell us we're better off investing our efforts in other projects that might work.
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the hadith that dajjal would appear in that temple is not known to me though i read a lot about dajjal better get the reference b4 otherwise we may debate on something which may befalse
 
zaki.aumeerudy said:
the hadith that dajjal would appear in that temple is not known to me though i read a lot about dajjal better get the reference b4 otherwise we may debate on something which may befalse
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Would love to see this: The House of Abraham... all of his strong and noble sons, standing together as one man.

The Crown and the Glory would be yours!

Ninth Scribe
 
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We need to resolve this problem civilized. If nothing is found peacefully i doubt it will be found forcefully. The Turkish government understand this so they are sending a delegation of experts to oversee the construction and whats it causing





Turkey to send delegation to study Al Aqsa mosque situation
There has been an outcry from the Muslim world over the construction work being carried out by Israel near the historic site in Jerusalem.


ANKARA - Turkey is to send a delegation to Jerusalem to examine them controversial construction work being carried out by Israel in the vicinity of the Al Aqsa mosque.

The proposal to send a team of Turkish experts came during a meeting between Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Israeli counterpart Ehud Olmert in Ankara Thursday.

Israel is currently rebuilding a ramp leading to the site of the mosque which collapsed three years ago.

The work has angered many in the Muslim world, with claims that the project is damaging the heritage of the area, one of the most important religious sites in Islam.

Speaking at a press conference in Ankara, Erdogan said that he had proposed that a technical delegation from Turkey examine the construction activities around the Al-Aqsa mosque, an offer he said Olmert had accepted.

‘Olmert informed me about the construction activities in the region and showed me some pictures. I have seen that region only once, and I don’t know the region well, however, I am not satisfied with the photographs,’ said Erdogan.

Olmert said that the impact of the construction work around al-Haram al-Sharif have been exaggerated in the international and that the work was being undertaken to give better access to the site to the hundreds of thousands of people who visit the area.

Its better than fighting:D
 

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