Did I just break my fast?? :( (kaffarah)

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Woodrow said:
:sl: Uhktee,

From the sources I find it does not seem you broke your fast and do not need to startover. But, you may fast an additional day if you feel a need to make this day up. You do not need to start over.

Ever source I find is saying essentially this:



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Now you've confused me! So if you break a kaffarah fast then you only need to make up that one fast? I thought kaffarah fasts need to be done in one go? and therefore breaking one would require all to be done again?

Btw Aileen there is no need to cough up phlegm at the back of your throat (unless you want to of course). In fact coughing it up might be dangerous because you may swallow it accidentally when it reaches your mouth. Even it coming to your mouth and going back down breaking your fast is a disputed matter. Insha'Allah someone will correct me if I am wrong.
 
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Dagless said:
Now you've confused me! So if you break a kaffarah fast then you only need to make up that one fast? I thought kaffarah fasts need to be done in one go? and therefore breaking one would require all to be done again?

Btw Aileen there is no need to cough up phlegm at the back of your throat (unless you want to of course). In fact coughing it up might be dangerous because you may swallow it accidentally when it reaches your mouth. Even it coming to your mouth and going back down breaking your fast is a disputed matter. Insha'Allah someone will correct me if I am wrong.
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Please read the bold type again. The Ramadan fast is the only kaffarah fast. there is no kaffarah for any other fast. As long as it is not your Ramadan fast you only need to make up the missed day. At least that is what I am getting from every source I check.
 
Woodrow said:
Please read the bold type again. The Ramadan fast is the only kaffarah fast. there is no kaffarah for any other fast. As long as it is not your Ramadan fast you only need to make up the missed day. At least that is what I am getting from every source I check.
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I used to think the same as brother Dagless as well. I thought that if you broke a fast whilst kaffarah fasting, you need to start over regardless of whether you broke it on purpose or not... Cz I've started my kaffarah fasting 3/4 times now cz I accidentally swallowed some water whilst making wudhu and I was told by the imam here that it invalidated my fast and that I need to start again. Least that's what I think he meant :S

As long as yesterday remains a valid fast, I'm okay. :S
 
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Oh I did find this on islamqa actually:

'Swallowing blood is one of the things that invalidate the fast, but if some blood enters a person’s throat involuntarily, without him intending that to happen, then there is no sin on him and he does not invalidate his fast thereby, but if he deliberately swallows it then his fast is invalidated thereby'.

I hope that applies to me because I definitely did not intend for blood to be there and I tried to get it out as much as possible. (although there were no traces of blood from what I spat out from what I could tell).

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/78484

Also does something like unintentionally inhaling some dust or anything break the fast? I am cleaning my room and I licked my lips not knowing there was some fluff from the pillows or maybe dry skin there. I tried to get it out but I couldn't locate it so I gathered up as much saliva as I could and spat out a couple of times. I didn't see it come out at all but then I don't know if I swallowed it or not either. I'm assuming that doesn't break the fast though...?
 
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Naam sis it applies to u as well i the shaykh said Insha Allah the fast is vaild for

1 it was not intentionally and it wasnt much

2 you didnt sniff it from your nose to get it to your throat it was in your thorat and you tried sppiting it out

so alhumdulillah countiune your fast Insha Allah and as the brother said if it will make you fell better fast one more day after
 
Assalaamu alaykum,

I am mega panicking now. Today is day 17 of my fasting and I am approaching 20 soon insha Allah.

I normally brush my teeth with tooth paste in the mornings although I avoid doing this if I know I won't leave the house sometimes or won't be speaking to people since I know using toothpaste isn't recommended. I just woke up and I was aware I was fasting but I was just sleepy and lost in thought and I THINK some toothpaste might have gone a bit far down my throat. I can't be sure because everytime I breathe there is this minty smell. I'm not sure if it's just at the back of my tongue and it's there cz I can't properly gargle when fasting or if it went a bit far down my throat. It didn't feel like it reached my stomach as in I couldn't feel it going all the way down my throat or anything. It's as if I might have a spot of mint lodged there in my throat. I avoided swallowing spit as much as possible just in case it is in my throat and I might accidentally taste or swallow the mint. At the same time, I'm not too sure because I definitely didn't swallow any toothpaste on purpose. I'm normally really careful but I was just thinking of a dream I had whilst brushing my teeth. At one point I realised I had way too much in my mouth and needed to spit out and stuff like that, I'm normally really careful with :S I knew I was fasting but at the same time not fully concentrating on it cz I'd just woken up.

I don't know what to do. I would happily re-fast the day but the constant fear of having to re-start kaffarah is really discouraging :( I felt so upset when I had to re-start after three days alone although obviously if that is the case then insha Allah, I would try my best to continue. What I thought of was to just fast for 60 days and then maybe do an extra ten in case there might be days I needed to make up for? :S
 
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Any replies? :( sorry to be pushy but it is worrying me cz I don't know what to do about tomorrow. I guess I could keep on fasting and just make an intention every night to fast a kaffarah fast.
 
Do not worry too much, it did not break your fasting insha Allah.
 
Assalaamu alaykum,

This question is more out of interest than anything else and not specific for my kaffarah fasting, but more to include all fasts (including Ramadan). Insha Allah, since I've been fasting, I have been trying to stay away from sin much better. However, I know a lot of people who do listen to music and watch TV whilst fasting which are obviously not preferred. I was wondering if things such as listening to music actually break your fast? I know they limit the rewards of fasting (from my understanding) but do they actually break the fast of the one who does listen to music whilst fasting or watch TV?

Thank you. May Allah bless you.
 
Aileen said:
Assalaamu alaykum,

This question is more out of interest than anything else and not specific for my kaffarah fasting, but more to include all fasts (including Ramadan). Insha Allah, since I've been fasting, I have been trying to stay away from sin much better. However, I know a lot of people who do listen to music and watch TV whilst fasting which are obviously not preferred. I was wondering if things such as listening to music actually break your fast? I know they limit the rewards of fasting (from my understanding) but do they actually break the fast of the one who does listen to music whilst fasting or watch TV?

Thank you. May Allah bless you.
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Asalaamu Alaikum, the answer to your question is no it doesn't break the fast but as you have mentioned not only does the reward lessen but depending on how many sins a person does whilst fasting it may be the case that a person may not get any reward at all and just fast gaining hunger nothing more. That is why it is incumbant that a fasting person guard their tongue, eyes, ears and privates away from haraam.

Fasting is a very virtueous act and one which can gain us huge rewards but for some of us who do not abstain from sins whilst fasting it may give us nothing but hunger.

May Allah enable us to carry out all good deeds in the best way possible so that we may earn optimum rewards for ALL our good deeds. Ameen

And Allah knows best in all matters
 
Asalaamu alaykum,

I was wondering if the fast gets invalidated by water accidentally getting into your ears when taking a shower? I'm not sure if it went in all the way but obviously when you take a shower, your ears get wet as well. I assumed no because of the many responses I saw online which stated that swimming whilst fasting is allowed as long as water does not enter through the mouth/nose. What do you think?

Thank you
 
Asalaamu alaykum Brother,
Thank you for the reply and the link brother. I hope you don't mind but I had another question that has been worrying me all day now.

On day 17 or so, I thought I swallowed some toothpaste and posted on the thread. I also contacted a mufti via a webstie given to me by one of the Moderators and they took a few days to get back to me. Meanwhile, I kept on fasting because I did not want to take a break. I was told by two others Mods that my fasting was probably valid though since I wasn't a 100% sure I did swallow toothpaste (although I think I probably did but I might be saying this now because I am so worried). Anyway I made an intention that night that if I find out that my fast was not valid, I will fast an extra 20 days after my kaffarah fasting of 60 days (so altogether 80 days). I made a Dua that if this day was invalid during the initial 20, that Allah (swt) will accept the last 60 days out of the 80 as my kaffarah fasting and the first 20 as sunnat fasts (minus any invalidated day(s)).

I heard back from the Mufti who said my fast was broken so I decided to fast 20 extra days. I made an intention that night I recall. However I did not renew my Kaffarah as such and the reason behind that was because like I said, I was not 100% sure (although I am leaning towards it more and more now) and also I have had to re-start 3 times before and the idea of going back to 0 was just so discouraging. Instead I thought I would keep on counting from 17,18.... and go on to 80 so essentially doing the same thing then.

I then heard back from the Mufti saying that I need to renew kaffarah if I find out a single day was broken during the fasting which I did not do :( I am quite confused now to be honest. I want to make sure my kaffarah fasting is as close to perfect as I can make it because I know how paranoid I am and I don't want to look back and wonder whether I did it correctly.

What should I do? Should I continue on as I am bearing in mind that I did make an intention and a Dua that I would fast 80 days and the reason was because of this one day I was unsure about....
 
Asalamu alakum

Insha Allah sis countine to fast and i will ask a shaykh tonite and if you speak arabic i can give you the audio of the talk i will post the answer this time tomorrow Insha Allah or sooner
 
Thank you sooo much brother and no I don't speak Arabic unfortunately.

Thank you v v much though. I am just feeling like I will never finish my fasting the rate this is going and especially cz I'm so paranoid and don't know whether I did swallow anything or not 100%
 
Asalamu alaykum sis

the shaykh advices you to try to ignore the countiuos waswas
he also says that if it was not done intentionally meaning it happened unintentionally then the fast is still valid even if it went down your throat but be more carful
And Allah knows best
 
Thank you Brother.

I am trying to be much much more careful now. Thank you so much for asking the shaykh. May Allah bless you for all your help.

Can I just clarify something else as well?

I was brushing my teeth (using just a toothbrush, minus the toothpaste) this morning when I realised a lot of blood was coming out of my mouth when I spat out. I'm not too sure what happened, I THINK it had to do with my wisdom teeth and I might have brushed it a bit too hard. Anyway I spat it all out and to the best of my knowledge, did not swallow anything at all. I do not recall anything going down my throat as far as I could tell. I rinsed out my mouth a few times afterwards, and spat out a few more times before swallowing any spit to make sure all traces of blood were gone and insha Allah, the spit had no traces of blood. I did not taste any blood when I did swallow so I'm assuming that was because nothing went down my throat then. In this case, am I right to assume then that my fast is insha Allah, valid?
 
Asalaamu alaykum,

I apologise for the nature of this message but I am getting really worried and have tried to contact some sister mods as well.

I had to stop fasting due to my menses cycle which I know is allowed. However, I am really worried that I might accidentally be missing a day when I am actually tahir due to me not being sure. I get really irregular periods and there is no consistency really. I also recently read about something called istihaadah and I have no idea how to tell which is which although I have read the signs to distinguish. They really aren't very helpful when you get irregular periods to be honest.

I woke up today just a few minutes before Fajr and I assumed my period had ended due to not emitting anything over night. I didn't check much further than this but I made an intention, did the ghusl and fasted today (today being the 6th of Jan). I then proceeded to fast and pray today although occasionally I was wondering if I did the right thing by simply making an assumption and not checking further by using a cloth or something. I was praying Maqrib when I then emitted more blood but even whilst praying I just thought this was normal discharge and kept on praying. It was only later I realised it was a small amount of blood which I think might be istihaadah?? but I don't know because normally for me, the last few days of my cycle, I do get irregular bleeding which seems to be similar to what istihaadah seems to be :S But I always just assume it to be part of my menses cycle so I'm not familiar with this.

I'm worried about today, whether the fast was valid. Obviously I wouldn't worry so much if it was not valid due to menses because that wouldn't affect my kaffarah to the best of my knowledge insha Allah but just in general, I am really confused. I don't know if I should make another ghusl or what or if I'm meant to restart my kaffarah because I'm wondering if the yesterday (5th of Jan) when I got really small traces/irregular bleeding, that was istihaadah as well.

Can anyone please help me on this matter :( I only began my period on the 2nd of Jan and to be honest, if I hadn't read up on this istihaadah thing, I would have just assumed day 4/5 and small irregular bleeding was just part of my period and nothing else but now I'm getting really confused. I normally wait till day 7 and then make a ghusl because bleeding normally comes to an end on day 6 but I've always been told it was best to wait a night and half a day or so to make sure completely than rush to make ghusl but because I am worried I might not be fasting on a day I am tahir, I am rushing my ghusl in case my menses has ended.
 

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