Did Jesus of the Bible sin?

[john316]

No righteous or pious MAN would EVER claim to be good on the same level as God. So, contrary to what you want this verse to suggest, it is actually DENYING divinity, NOT accepting it. Jesus, pbuh, being a chosen Prophet of God, knew this very well and would NEVER make that mistake!

Hana

there's a difference between being righteous and unrighteous. You can't be both. You cant walk in light and darkness and the same time. You can't go left and right at the same time. Every human since Adam and Eve sinned. So none were righteuos. Jesus, the Son of God, who became the Son of Man, never sinned as a human. As a human He was tempted. Being tempted is not a sin. What happens against your will is not a sin. He had a choice to sin or not to sin. which eventually He didnt. He was obedient unto His physical death. The wages if sin is death(seperation from God for eternity). But Jesus endured GOD'S HOLY WRATH and never sinned. Had he sinned even once he would have been seperated from God. He paid it all, for believers and non-believer. The only sin that God cannot forgive is unwillingness to accept forgiveness. But prior to that you need to repent.

 

[john316]

No, it doesn't.

The Islamic position is that every human sins, including the Prophets, but that the Prophets hardly sin at all, and they are small sins, and they seek repentance for their sins and that Allah forgives all their sins.

Examples of Prophets sinning include Adam eating from the tree, even though he was prohibited and Yunus giving up on the people he was meant to guide. But the point is they repented and were forgiven, and that they are still better humans than anyone else.

I dont know how to say this. But Adam's sin brought sin and suffering to the entire humna race. So his sin was too big to be forgiven. 40 days repentance was just not going to be enough. Yes when you are forgiven of all past sins you are sinless. But God's forgiveness also depends on the degree of sin and the equal degree of atonement for that sin.

 

[Malaikah]

Hi,

The consequences of his sin was not his fault.

God pre-decreed that mankind would be tested on this Earth well before he even created us, it is not Adam's fault that we are n this Earth now, it is what God intended.

 

[john316]

had Adam not sinned or nor any of mankind sin by eating from the tree would there be sin, suffering & death like we see today

 

[Malaikah]

God created mankind with the intention of putting them on earth.

In the Quran Allah said (keep in mind this happened before Adam was alive):

And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks (Exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners) and sanctify You." He (Allâh) said: "I know that which you do not know."​

Chapter 2, verse 30.

That makes it clear hat well before Adam sin, Allah already had the intention of sending Adam and therefore mankind to Earth.

 

[sur]

In Islam, we believe that all of the prophets and messengers of Allah were sinless.

No human is sinless, including Prophets.


Q:7:23:They said: Our Lord! We(Adam & Eve) have wronged ourselves......

Q:26:82:And Who, I ardently hope, will forgive me my(Ibraheem) sin on the Day of Judgment.

Q:38:25:So We forgave him(Dawood) that; and lo! he had access to Our presence and a happy journey's end.

Q:28:16:He said: My Lord! Lo! I(Mosa) have wronged my soul, so forgive me. Then He forgave him.

Q:47:19:So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women.

[Q:48:2] That God may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;





It's ONLY that Prophat Muhammad(saw) was forgiven his faults in this world while other Prophets & other humans will have to wait for DOJ(Day of Judjement) for decision on them.

Bukhari:2:19:-
Narated By 'Aisha : Whenever Allah's Apostle ordered the Muslims to do something, he used to order them deeds which were easy for them to do, (according to their strength endurance). They said, "O Allah's Apostle! We are not like you. Allah has forgiven your past and future sins." So Allah's Apostle became angry and it was apparent on his face. He said, "I am the most Allah fearing, and know Allah better than all of you do."

Bukhari:55:577:-
Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle said, "Abraham did not tell a lie except on three occasions."

Bukhari:60:3:-
Narated By Anas : The Prophet said, "On the Day of Resurrection the Believers will assemble and say, 'Let us ask somebody to intercede for us with our Lord.' So they will go to Adam and say, 'You are the father of all the people, and Allah created you with His Own Hands, and ordered the angels to prostrate to you, and taught you the names of all things; so please intercede for us with your Lord, so that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' Adam will say, 'I am not fit for this (i.e. intercession for you).' Then Adam will remember his sin and feel ashamed thereof. He will say, 'Go to Noah, for he was the first Apostle, Allah sent to the inhabitants of the earth.' They will go to him and Noah will say:

'I am not fit for this undertaking.' He will remember his appeal to his Lord to do what he had no knowledge of, then he will feel ashamed thereof and will say, 'Go to the Khalil-r-Rahman (i.e. Abraham).' They will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking. Go to Moses, the slave to whom Allah spoke (directly) and gave him the Torah.' So they will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking.' and he will mention (his) killing a person who was not a killer, and so he will feel ashamed thereof before his Lord, and he will say, 'Go to Jesus, Allah's Slave, His Apostle and Allah's Word and a Spirit coming from Him. Jesus will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking, go to Muhammad the Slave of Allah whose past and future sins were forgiven by Allah.' So they will come to me and I will proceed till I will ask my Lord's Permission and I will be given permission. When I see my Lord, I will fall down in Prostration and He will let me remain in that state as long as He wishes and then I will be addressed.' (Muhammad!) Raise your head. Ask, and your request will be granted; say, and your saying will be listened to; intercede, and your intercession will be accepted.' I will raise my head and praise Allah with a saying (i.e. invocation) He will teach me, and then I will intercede. He will fix a limit for me (to intercede for) whom I will admit into Paradise. Then I will come back again to Allah, and when I see my Lord, the same thing will happen to me. And then I will intercede and Allah will fix a limit for me to intercede whom I will let into Paradise, then I will come back for the third time; and then I will come back for the fourth time, and will say, 'None remains in Hell but those whom the Qur'an has imprisoned (in Hell) and who have been destined to an eternal stay in Hell.' " (The compiler) Abu 'Abdullah said: 'But those whom the Qur'an has imprisoned in Hell,' refers to the Statement of Allah: "They will dwell therein forever." (16.29)

 

[MustafaMc]

That makes it clear that well before Adam sin, Allah already had the intention of sending Adam and therefore mankind to Earth.

Yes, that is correct. Sahih Bukhari narrated by Abu Huraira The Prophet said, "Moses argued with Adam and said to him (Adam), 'You are the one who got the people out of Paradise by your sin, and thus made them miserable." Adam replied, 'O Moses! You are the one whom Allah selected for His Message and for His direct talk. Yet you blame me for a thing which Allah had ordained for me before He created me?' " Allah's Apostle further said, "So Adam overcame Moses by this argument."

 

[MustafaMc]

No human is sinless, including Prophets.

Thank you for correcting my error - I stand corrected.

 

[john316]

First I'll disagree by saying that Jesus was the only man on Earth that did not sin. Second of all I need to ask that just because we Christians believe that we are saved by faith and faith alone do you Muslims believe that our plan of salvation is an easy way out?

 

[جوري]

I think your 'plan of salvation' is unrealistic and defies logic--It is based on fanciful desire than sound judgement..

but you are entitled to your beliefs!

peace

 

[anatolian]

I remember a hadith-don't know where it is- which states that every human except Isa and Maryam aleyhissalam sinned...What do you think about this?

 

[Malaikah]

I think it wuld be nice if we cuold get a reference for that- I've never heard it before and I'm certain that, from what I learned, every human sins, without exception. It seems strange that Isa and Maryam would not sin when Muhammad pbuh, the best human to ever live himself sinned on some occasions.

 

[*Hana*]

had Adam not sinned or nor any of mankind sin by eating from the tree would there be sin, suffering & death like we see today

Ali Ataie says it best. Here is a portion of his writing:

A Parable…

A thief breaks into my house. He rushes in and takes a handful of my wife's finest jewelry and bolts out the door. Before he makes it down the street he is spotted by a cop and taken into custody. In court, he looks me in the eye and tells me that he is sorry. He was stealing so that he could feed his family currently living in a homeless shelter. I no longer decide to press charges and resolve that I will forgive him. With much sorrow, the thief vows that he will work for me to make up his sin.

"Just don't do it again," I say.

The thief realizes his wrong and walks away. Suddenly, I pull my only begotten son whom I love out of the crowd and slice his throat ear to ear. The thief turns back and is horrfied by the spectacle.

"Why!?" he says.

I respond by saying, "Because of your sins."

DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE??? WAS THIS MURDER NECESSARY???


A Second Parable…

My great grandfather killed a man many years ago without just cause. He was sent to prison for many years. After about 50 years of hard time he was released and the family of the deceased became grateful that he paid his debt to them. He spent the rest of his life in a tropical Paradise. A couple years later he got married and had a son. As soon as his son was born, the baby was rushed to the same prison where his father served for 50 years. When my great grandfather asked why, he was told, "Because of your original crime of murder. And from now on, every one of your descendants will come first to this prison to live."

Is this justice??

A Final Parable…

My dog Max was barking all night long. My neighbor, frustrated beyond belief, storms out of his house and throws a brick at Max to scare him; maybe that would shut him up. Unfortunately, the brick finds its mark and Max is struck dead. The next morning I discover Max's corpse outside my front door.

Then I spot my neighbor coming towards me with tears in his eyes saying, “I am SO sorry. I got really angry last night and killed your dog. I don't know what came over me…I had a really bad day at work and….”

I interrupt him, “Hey bro, don't worry about it. I understand. I FORGIVE YOU.”

My neighbor suggests, “I will kill my dog as well, so justice can be served. It would be the right thing to do.”

I tell him, “Because you sinned against ME, and I have forgiven you, killing your dog would be a great INJUSTICE. Why would you kill an innocent dog for the sin of another?”

John3:16: If this is your idea of justice...you can keep it. Allah, swt, is NEVER unjust even in the slightest manner!!

Alhamdulillah, I was guided to the truth, beauty and justice of Islam.

Hana

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Only people I hear stating Jesus was 'God' are the misguided Christians, who've concoted this whole trinity nonsense up to set up Churches for financial gains.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

had Adam not sinned or nor any of mankind sin by eating from the tree would there be sin, suffering & death like we see today

Does that mean nobody would have died and remained immortal...?

I don't recall eating from this so-called tree...:uuh:

 

[Heera Singh]

yeh i find this whole 'adam n eve' story to be rubbish.. jus a fairy tale..

 

[MustafaMc]

I think it wuld be nice if we cuold get a reference for that- I've never heard it before and I'm certain that, from what I learned, every human sins, without exception. It seems strange that Isa and Maryam would not sin when Muhammad pbuh, the best human to ever live himself sinned on some occasions.

There is a hadith that mentions the different prophets during the search for a mediator to intercede on the Day of Resurrection. The sins of each are mentioned except none is mentioned for Jesus (as). Those of Muhammad (saaws) are mentioned in a general sense. I have copied the entire hadith from Alim software. I did not find anything regarding Mary.

Sahih A-Bukhari 6:236 Narrated Abu Huraira Some (cooked) meat was brought to Allah Apostle and the meat of a forearm was presented to him as he used to like it. He ate a morsel of it and said, "I will be the chief of all the people on the Day of Resurrection. Do you know the reason for it? Allah will gather all the human beings of early generations as well as late generations on one plain so that the announcer will be able to make them all hear his voice and the watcher will be able to see all of them. The sun will come so close to the people that they will suffer such distress and trouble as they will not be able to bear or stand. Then the people will say, 'Don't you see to what state you have reached? Won't you look for someone who can intercede for you with your Lord?'

Some people will say to some others, 'Go to Adam.' So they will go to Adam and say to him, 'You are the father of mankind; Allah created you with His Own Hand, and breathed into you of His Spirit (meaning the spirit which he created for you); and ordered the angels to prostrate before you; so (please) intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are? Don't you see what condition we have reached?' Adam will say, 'Today my Lord has become angry as He has never become before, nor will ever become thereafter. He forbade me (to eat of the fruit of) the tree, but I disobeyed Him. Myself! Myself! Myself! (has more need for intercession). Go to someone else; go to Noah.' So they will go to Noah and say (to him), 'O Noah! You are the first (of Allah's Messengers) to the people of the earth, and Allah has named you a thankful slave; please intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?' He will say, 'Today my Lord has become angry as He has never become nor will ever become thereafter. I had (in the world) the right to make one definitely accepted invocation, and I made it against my nation. Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Abraham.' They will go to Abraham and say, 'O Abraham! You are Allah's Apostle and His Khalil from among the people of the earth; so please intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?' He will say to them, 'My Lord has today become angry as He has never become before, nor will ever become thereafter. I had told three lies (Abu Haiyan (the sub-narrator) mentioned them in the Hadith. Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Moses.' The people will then go to Moses and say, 'O Moses! You art Allah's Apostle and Allah gave you superiority above the others with this message and with His direct Talk to you; (please) intercede for us with your Lord! Don't you see in what state we are?' Moses will say, 'My Lord has today become angry as He has never become before, nor will become thereafter, I killed a person whom I had not been ordered to kill. Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Jesus.' So they will go to Jesus and say, 'O Jesus! You are Allah's Apostle and His Word which He sent to Mary, and a superior soul created by Him, and you talked to the people while still young in the cradle. Please intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?' Jesus will say, 'My Lord has today become angry as He has never become before nor will ever become thereafter. Jesus will not mention any sin, but will say, 'Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Muhammad.' So they will come to me and say, 'O Muhammad ! You are Allah's Apostle and the last of the prophets, and Allah forgave your early and late sins. (Please) intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?' " The Prophet added, "Then I will go beneath Allah's Throne and fall in prostration before my Lord. And then Allah will guide me to such praises and glorification to Him as He has never guided anybody else before me. Then it will be said, 'O Muhammad! Raise your head. Ask, and it will be granted. Intercede! It (your intercession) will be accepted.' So I will raise my head and say, 'My followers, O my Lord! My followers, O my Lord'. It will be said, 'O Muhammad! Let those of your followers who have no accounts, enter through such a gate of the gates of Paradise as lies on the right; and they will share the other gates with the people.' " The Prophet further said, "By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, the distance between every two gate-posts of Paradise is like the distance between Mecca and Busra (in Sham)."

Although no sin is mentioned for Prophet Jesus (as), I venture a guess that he denied the role of intercessor due to the claims that Christians make about him being the Son of Allah and that the Christians worshipped him instead of Allah.

Quran 5:116-118 After reminding him of these favors, Allah will say: "O Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Marry), Did you ever say to the people, "worship me and my mother as gods beside Allah?" He will answer: "Glory to You! How could I say what I had no right to say? If I had ever said so, you would have certainly known it. You know what is in my heart, but I know not what is in Yours; for You have full knowledge of all the unseen. I never said anything other than what You commanded me to say, that is to worship Allah, Who is my Rabb and your Rabb. I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them; but when You called me off, You were the Watcher over them and You are a Witness to everything. If You punish them, they surely are Your servants; and if You forgive them, You are Mighty, Wise."

 

[john316]

first off all i dont believe in evolution. i am a young earth creationist. and there is some science that can prove young earth creationism.

Now to Hana, we believe in repentance and reconciling to those we have hurt. But we must also understand that all sinned against God. and God reconciled to us through the death of Christ. there other sins like masturbation, covet, etc. which are offensive to God. not just offending your neighbour. Just as God in Christ forgave us we are to forgive one another but that doesnt promote tolerance.

When people accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior they start a new relationship with God in Christ by the Power of His Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit empowers them to lead godly lives. They dont want to sin. They live their lives for God and neighbour first. It's a relationship that makes them feel bad everytime they do sin. They will be renewed to godly sorrow which works repentance unto salvation.

 

[MustafaMc]

... there other sins like masturbation, covet, etc. which are offensive to God. not just offending your neighbour...

What chapter and verse do you refer to regarding masturbation? I don't recall ever reading in the Bible or the Quran that is a sin. What about gambling? All the the pious Christians I know hold that this is also a sin, but I don't remember reading in the Bible that it is. Please, advise.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

What chapter and verse do you refer to regarding masturbation? I don't recall ever reading in the Bible or the Quran that is a sin. What about gambling? All the the pious Christians I know hold that this is also a sin, but I don't remember reading in the Bible that it is. Please, advise.

I would imagine it's sinful because it causes lustful thoughts. Is in Sikhism.