Did you do the 2mins Silence for the 7/7 Victims

[Sis786]

So are you saying you regard the 2 minute silence to be a show of heart??

I think what the Bro was saying that this was a mark of respect for what happened on that day. By observing it we were joining in, and those that did not that was upto them.

But some comments have been offensive and if someone who was personally effected by the 7/7 would be really digusted to read them.

The 2 mins are time to think and pray for those that died what is wrong with that??

 

[Panatella]

soz all gud ^ every1ns entitled to express their opinion

So..., what you are talking about is the freedom to express yourself, right? That is fine, having the freedom to express yourself is good, except when your remarks are disrespectful to others. Let me make a comparison; When the danish cartoonists 'expressed' themselves, very many people were upset. The general consensus among the muslims that were not calling for death to the danish, was that freedom of speech must be coupled with good manners and respect.
Having said that, the posts by both Daffodil and yourself were disrespectful to the victims of 7/7 and their families. You are free to not partake in the 2 minutes if you don't agree, but please remember to be respectful in your comments or to not make any at all. Unless of course, you are of the opinion that cartoonists should have the freedom to draw whatever they please. Then you can say whatever you want.

PS. Please people, do not use this post as a means of derailing the thread to talk about cartoons, I believe there is a seperate thread already to discuss that.

 

[Ryu Kazama]

I felt somewhat sad about this day......it's scarred me for life.

 

[Daffodil]

Oh my goodness!

Ur comparing religious hatred to a two mins silence? The danish cartoons was a deliberate attempt to offend muslims. Ur theory doesnt hold water my friend.


have a nice day.

 

[afriend]

A 2 minute silence isn't gonna rollback what happened....Isn't this the likeness of those who only pray during ramadhaan?

We should pray everyday that nothing like this ever happens again...Not once a year...My 2 cents.

 

[Ghazi]

That is news to me.

SO now the 'kuffar' have hearts and we muslims are heartless?

You are reminding me of all the reasons why i left Islam all those years ago...i am glad i don't have people like you and sister Daffodil around me,if people such as you two lived around me,i would have never returned to islam thinking "if that is what islam teaches,then it cant be Gods chosen religon"

I am glad i know better than that Now.

I hope someday you will too.

Wa'salaam.

Please bro just chill ranting and raving isn't gonna make anyone listen to or implament your point so please adivce in calm manner.

 

[SirZubair]

zubair n sis 786, lets just say we have our own understanding of jihad.

What the..... :? WHats this got to do with Jihad?

THis has as much to do with Mcdonalds as it has to do with Jihad.

In otherwords,...

N/A

jus sayin how it is and thats true and i stand by what i sed

Yep n i stand by what i sed.

Well then i am saying you do not have a pure heart.

"im sorry if this offends anyone" but i am saying it as it is.

soz all gud ^ every1ns entitled to express their opinion

Not if it is offensive.

...if i 'expressed my opinion' of what i think of you and Sister Daffodil after reading your recent posts,i will get banned.

In other words,there are times when you shouldn't say anything.

So are you saying you regard the 2 minute silence to be a show of heart??

No,i am saying that muslims making idiotic statements such as "why should we follow the kuffar way..." is a show of being heartless.

No1 has asked anyone in this thread to lay themselves bare for the dead. No1 has asked anyone in this thread to remain silent for the Dead for 2minutes. All the starter of the thread asked was "who remained silent,....." ,she didn't ask "so,who wants to compare Iraq to London.." "who wants to show how much they despise London.."

 

[Panatella]

Oh my goodness!

Ur comparing religious hatred to a two mins silence? The danish cartoons was a deliberate attempt to offend muslims. Ur theory doesnt hold water my friend.

Any ways, like i sed, i stand by what i sed, we have our own definitions of cold blooded murder, this i do not believe was cold blooded murder.

have a nice day.

No, I am comparing a silly cartoon to abrasive remarks made about the death of 50 people. Like I said, the two minutes are not what is important, being respectful is. Forget the two minutes. Just don't be disrespectful.

Any ways, like i sed, i stand by what i sed, we have our own definitions of cold blooded murder, this i do not believe was cold blooded murder.

There is sickness in some kind of thought.

 

[Silver Pearl]

:wasalamex

IMPORTANT:

It is shocking to see Muslims being cold-hearted and just rude. Let me highlight few things firstly for those who seem to have veiled their eyes from reality and the truth.

I personally did not do the 2 minute silence as I was asleep at the time. However that does not give me the right to belittle those who died as though they did not deserve kind words. Nor does it give me the right to bark at Muslims.

The Muslim is he from whose tongue and hand the Muslims are safe, and the Emigrant is he who abandons what God has prohibited.
(Bukhari).


If the hadeeth above does not tell you something about the way you should act then God forbid you have been learning the wrong things.

The man who is most hateful to God is the one who quarrels and disputes most.
(Bukhari, Muslim).

All I have seen in this thread as of yet is quarrel, bickering and disrespect for one another and others. Is that the characteristics of a Muslim? No.


If anyone kills a man who had made a covenant (anyone who belongs to a Non-Muslim community with whom a treaty of peace has been made, or a member of protected communities) will not experience the fragrance of paradise.
(Bukhari).

For those who may think what happened on 7/7 is in any way fine I suggest you re-think. If one wants to do what is right then they have to follow the laws of the creator not bend and turn laws to suit themselves. Killing innocent people is wrong, no buts no nothing. Committing suicide is just as equally wrong.


A Muslim is a Muslim's brother; he does not wrong him or abandon him. If anyone cares for his brother's need, God will care for his need; if anyone removes his brother's anxiety, God will remove from him one of the anxieties of the Day of Resurrection; and if anyone conceals a Muslim's secret, God will conceal his secret on the Day of Resurrection.
(Bukhari, Muslim).


He who is deprived of gentleness is deprived of good.
(Muslim).

I hope you all realise what you write next time before sending the post button. Some of us are way to quick on replying. Why? Having high post count does not make you pious in the eye of Allah (subhana wa ta’ala). Or perhaps some of us have deluded ourselves into thinking that we will not be held accountable for what we write.

I thought about deleting all the inappropriate posts but then I thought otherwise. We learn best from our mistakes and me deleting them (or another mod) would merely be brushing the problem under the carpet. You all have the edit button and you’re all in charge of your actions. So I suggest some of you grow up a little, have some respects for others and be conscience of the comment you write.


If manners do not improve all those who contribute to such discussion will be warned and thread closed. I hope that is clear on the matter.

Folks, this isn't targeted at anyone, but if this gets out of hand, I'll have to lock this thing and probably hand out some warnings. Please stay on-topic, everyone.

Brothers and sisters fear Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) if you're truthful and be not haste to pass on judgement.

Above all my Allah forgive me and the ummah for the sins we have commited knowingly and unknowingly.

 

[Umar001]

If anyone kills a man who had made a covenant (anyone who belongs to a Non-Muslim community with whom a treaty of peace has been made, or a member of protected communities) will not experience the fragrance of paradise.
(Bukhari).

For those who may think what happened on 7/7 is in any way fine I suggest you re-think. If one wants to do what is right then they have to follow the laws of the creator not bend and turn laws to suit themselves. Killing innocent people is wrong, no buts no nothing. Committing suicide is just as equally wrong.

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but I don't understand what this particular hadeeth has to do with people in England.

Not that I think anyone has the right to have killed them.

 

[SirZubair]

Please bro just chill ranting and raving isn't gonna make anyone listen to or implament your point so please adivce in calm manner.

i apoligies for the 'ranting and raving' :grumbling

What i was Simply trying to point out was,..

..it is the lack of Religion in so-called 'religous people' that made me Reject islam and led me into Kuffr all those years ago.

I've grown up since then,i am a different person compared to who i was all those years ago. Now my Iman is strong,my belief in Allah swt is never going to die (insha'allah).

But correct me if i am wrong Akhi,but there are YOUNG people on this forum too. Some might log off after reading some of the posts in here thinking "yeah,that is the right way of doing things..." and might live half of their lives with Hate in their hearts.

And then there are Others who might read the posts and think "One group tells me that 'islam means peace" and another group tells me otherwise,..i doubt islam is a true religon,muslims are sick people"

I fell into the second group.

That is why i have constantly posted a simple message on this forum,which is :

Choose your words well,choose your path even better.

We will be held accountable for our words,not just our actions.

So please,i BEG (look at how low i have to sink inorder to get some people to listen :rollseyes ) go and LEARN what ISLAM is really all about. Don't talk to me about "following the quran and sunnah" when you don't live up to it.

Empty words have never meant anything to me,and will never mean anything to me.

Wa'salaam.

 

[786rani]

we did a silence in drayton manor in a queue!!!
rani

 

[SASB]

The 2 min silence is just a way to pay respect to the people that died in the terrible bombings, it is a time for u to think about how fortunate u have been to not have urself or any of ur family caught in those bombings on 7-7, and a time for u to think about not only the people that died due to the bombings but the famillies that lost their loved ones in such a terrible way!

There is no harm in doing the 2 min silence, infact it is considerd good to do the 2 min silence! The way some people are so opposed to doing the silence on this thread really worries me!

If u don't want to do the silence then thats fair enough, but disrespecting the whole idea of doing a silence is wrong!

 

[Daffodil]

Well then i am saying you do not have a pure heart.

Ironic isnt it how u once told me that only Allah swt knows what is in ones heart yet u claim to know if my heart is pure or not. Double standards can be a funny thing. Oh yea and practice what u preach.

As for silver pearl, ill reply to ur post in private.

 

[Far7an]

I was silent for longer than 2 mins, and posting on LI at the same time.

 

[Dawud_uk]

assalaamu alaykum,

first of all brothers and sisters lets all calm down and discuss this with good adhab.

first of all to reply to the original post, not the later argument...

no i didnt observe the two mins silence at work, it was optional and i make an effort not to immitate the kuffar which is what this is.

the prophet Muhammad (saws) in a longer haddith said 'whoever immitates a people is one of them' so Allahu alim on the level of immitation required for that, but let us all be careful and politely explain we do no observe the rituals and rites of another people which two minutes of silence in rememberence of the dead certainly is.

2ndly, this implies honouring the dead, the vast majority of the people who died that day were kaffirs, and when someone dies a kaffir he dies an enemy of Allah, taubah is now impossible for them and they are suffering in the torment of the grave.

i love for the sake of Allah and dislike for the sake of Allah, so when someone dies in state of kufr, i know their status according to the understanding of our deen and i know i cannot honour them or pray for them or do anything such, this is true whether it is those who died on 7/7 or my own grandmother who died recently.

now for the 2nd discussion on 7/7 being allowed...
lets all be honest and realise there is more than one point of view here according to the Quran and sunnah.

when people attack suicide attacks, they do so with the Quran and sunnah, when it is defended it is from the Quran and sunnah. now go look at the facts yourself, is it permissable or not? Allahu Alim, i have my own view it is but like i said go look for yourself and consult the knowledgeable Sheikh's, especially those who have travelled to the lands of jihad themselves and investigated the issue.

now the 2nd issue is it is allowed to target non-combatants, once again people quote quran and sunnah, there is an argument from the quran and sunnah to say not allowed but once again very strong evidence to suggest it is such surah at-taubah where it says that if a people break their covanant with you then you break it likewise. Allahu alim.

now this brings us to the third issue, did those who carried out this attack break a covanant with the kuffar by attacking them? well this implies that the covanant is still intact.

to be blunt, the kuffar didnt just tear up the covanant, they wiped their butts on it and flushed it down the toilet but Allahu Alim whether it is valid or not i think my own point of view is quite clear on matter three at least but the 1st and 2nd i am not sure of myself and you'll have to look into it yourselves but you might want to start with Shiekh Abdullah Azzams 'Defence of the Muslim lands' on one side defending the ideas of jihad.

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud

 

[Daffodil]

Well sed dawud.

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

nah we didnt hav 2 min silence.. i woz at skool but nah.. n personally i dnt fink we need 2.. wot the point of 2 mins silence :? think abt the ppl who died, well cant u do dat sum utha time? and otha thingz thats hapenin all ova da globe, wher thousands r dyin, wherz da silence 4 dem?

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

:salamext:
Well, strangely, I seem to see where everyone is coming from. But, I don't think we should do a silence for the people in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere. What will silence do? We should be doing the exact opposite. The prophet (SAW) taught us that civillians are not targets, so we cannot hold the civillians accountable for the actions of the government. So their blood is precious aswell. I could easily say that they voted for the government so that makes them targets. And I think I may have thought like that at one point. But alhamdulillah no more.
The kuffar are not our teachers. We follow the Rasul (SAW), the mercy of all Mankind.
:wasalamex

 

[j4763]

I’m actually quite sickened by reading many of the posts within in thread. It’s like (as someone else has already put it) a British life means less than a non British life.

Yes its true ever day people lose there life’s and there is no silence for them, but this event happened in the heart of London and effected many British people. I don’t know if its custom for other countries to hold minute silences but us British do, like each year for those who died in WW2 or are those life’s irrelevant because they weren’t all Muslims?

I think a lot of you need to grow up and give some respect! :heated: