Did you read Holy Quran ? How it is different from ur holy Book ?

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

yea it is a good thread lol, MashAllah. I think I should get a different Qur'an translated by a different person since everyone seems to be a using the same kind. The one I have is by M.H. Shakir...is he any good, if anyone knows?

p.s muslims woman, don't worry about stealing tayyaba's pic, I'm always stealing her smilies on msn

we both steal ;D u jus do it a little more jking lol.

 

[snakelegs]

hola Muslim Woman.

i read a very good version of the quran with footnotes and the arabic quran on the opposing page... just after i married my husband i found myself left alone for a long part of the day and i came to his library, where he had this quran... among many many books about islam and christianity which surprised me because i knew nothing about quran or my husbands interest in it...

my friend said the english rendition found on the left hand page was done by yusuf ali and was both very old and very accurate...

i say this is good because it was easiest for me to understand, and it communicated well what i think it mean to communicate

Dios te bendiga

hola jayda,
which translation is this?

 

[Mustafa Sharif]

Salam,
How is every1 ..
Yes alhamdulilah i read Quraan.. atless everyday alhamdulilah..
May Allah Bless You And Everyone.. Inshallah

Fii Amani Allah

Thank you,

Regards

Your Brother : Mustafa Sharif
MUSTAFASHARIF.COM

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ;


Attn: mod

I read a book about Hindu dieties ........stories were very shocking like the story of Prophet Lut (p) or more awful.


Do u think , it will be ok if i write about those in short just to give a clear picture of differences ? OR if we have any Hindu participant here , we many ask him/her first to give the logical explantions they have behind those stories ?

.....things that i found perhaps very shocking at first i realized were not as they seemed once i read the footnotes

---what were those verses ? Why it was so shocking ?

i think the best translations i found were; Muhsin Khan and Sahih International, which can be viewed here insha'Allaah:

http://quranicrealm.com

---Jazak Allah bro kay:

hola jayda,
which translation is this?

-- Yusuf Ali

we both steal u jus do it a little more jking lol.

---so glad that i m not the only one who steals :giggling:

 

[dougmusr]

However if you were to study them, it would be better to focus on them in the arabic language, because translations aren't the real thing. Also it's better to study under a teacher, especially when we don't know the arabic language properly.

Are you saying that those who translated the Hadith and Quran did not study under a teacher prior to or during the undertaking? That they might have had motivation to introduce inaccuracies?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

No..she is saying its best to read the Qur'an and Hadith in Arabic, because English doesnt support Arabic. Some words that exist in English dont exist in Arabic or words in Arabic dont exist in English. So its best to learn the language to understand both better and get the correct message through.

 

[thirdwatch512]

i have read the qu'ran several times, as well as a few books here and there on it, such as "the Qu'ran, Bible, and Science" "The Truth about Mohommad" "Islam for Dummies" "The Satanic Verses" "The Straigh Path" and "political islam." so yeah, i've read pro islamic books, and anti islamic books lol.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

i have read the qu'ran several times, as well as a few books here and there on it, such as "the Qu'ran, Bible, and Science" "The Truth about Mohommad" "Islam for Dummies" "The Satanic Verses" "The Straigh Path" and "political islam." so yeah, i've read pro islamic books, and anti islamic books lol.

thanks for reading Quran & few pro Islamic books :happy:

may i ask , while reading Quran , what was ur feeling ? What similarities or differences u find ?

 

[- Qatada -]

Are you saying that those who translated the Hadith and Quran did not study under a teacher prior to or during the undertaking? That they might have had motivation to introduce inaccuracies?

Like the sister said earlier, its because different languages don't fit perfectly into each other.

Also, the use of metaphors and sayings which the arabs used may not be the same as how we think them to be. I.e. 'may your nose be rubbed in dust' in arabic may refer to - may you die, because once a person dies they may fall flat faced onto the ground because their hands aren't controlled. Now what is a translator to do; a literal translation or a metaphorical? If they choose either one, then we still won't truely understand unless we refer back to the arabic.


Arabic is a pure language, and it doesn't get words from other languages. Rather it has words only from itself, so the context of the words make sense, and it is easy to learn too while being smooth, constant and eloquent.


And Allaah Almighty knows best.


Peace.
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[tomtomsmom]

I have a Quran that I got for free from an islamic website. it is "Interpretation of the Meaning of The Glorious Qur'an" translated by proffesor Syed Vickar Ahamed.
It is actually for chldren ages 6-16 so it is broken down into the simplest terms so it is easier to understand. and it has footnotes to explain things that are still kinda hard to understand. when i see quotes on here or in other readings i cross-reference with that and it helps me understand what it is supposed to mean.
it also has an extensive preface area that explains how the it is different from other books and the life of mohammed.

 

[thirdwatch512]

Salaam/peace;




thanks for reading Quran & few pro Islamic books :happy:

may i ask , while reading Quran , what was ur feeling ? What similarities or differences u find ?

well, the qu'ran is much much different the the Bible. in the bible, everything is written in an order where you know who someone is referring to if anyone, and what they're talking about, and this and that. whereas in the qu'ran, sometimes you don't know. like in the middle of a sura it might just all of a sudden change subjects, and so yeah it's confusing.

i felt sort of wierd while i was reading it. like ok i'm gay, and islam is very homophobic, and it's like i was a gay guy reading a book on why gays are horrible or something lol. so it sort of felt wierd.

in terms of similarities.. the Bible and Qu'ran are exact opposites. lol. but the qu'ran does compare to the torah in a way, especially leviticus, because it tells you what is right and what's not.

the qu'ran is also very short. like for the Bible, it takes me prolly a year to read it all. in the qu'ran though, i can read it within a matter of one or two weeks.

 

[snakelegs]

hi third,
the bible is equally harsh re: homosexuality.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

.... ok i'm gay, and islam is very homophobic, and it's like i was a gay guy reading a book on why gays are horrible or something lol. so it sort of felt wierd.

---Quran forbids what is wrong & encourages us to do right things ....so why felt bad ?

Do u believe , Jesus (p) allowed gayism ?

the qu'ran is also very short. like for the Bible, it takes me prolly a year to read it all. in the qu'ran though, i can read it within a matter of one or two weeks.

--yap , if u compare the size , Quran is much shorter but to understand /enjoy it fully specially the chapters regarding the Prophets (pbut) & the life hereafter , i think , one needs to take at least one month time.

Thanks for sharing ur feelings .kay:

 

[thirdwatch512]

Salaam/peace;



---Quran forbids what is wrong & encourages us to do right things ....so why felt bad ?

Do u believe , Jesus (p) allowed gayism ?






--yap , if u compare the size , Quran is much shorter but to understand /enjoy it fully specially the chapters regarding the Prophets (pbut) & the life hereafter , i think , one needs to take at least one month time.

Thanks for sharing ur feelings .kay:

i don't think jesus allowed "gayism" as you say, but certainly he didn't want homosexuals killed! let me tell you a story in the Bible about adultery..

so there was this girl who had comitted adultery. so these people got her, and brought her to jesus and said "stone her to death, for she has comitted adultery." you want to know how jesus replied? he goes "whoever has not sinned, cast the first stone." of course no one could because everyone has sinned. he just told her to repent and pray and she would be fine.

i don't think jesus would approve of lust, and when i lust i am sinning. but i don't think God hates me for being gay. the sexual part, maybe, but the gay part.. not at all. and most christians and jews can agree with that. even orthodox jews agree that homosexuality isn't a choice!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

No it isn't, but it is when you choose to act upon it. If a person is gay and knows not to do it, he/she wont act upon it. G-d knows the persons intention. It is a choice when you choose to continue. But I agree, no one expects the feelings to be built.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

let me tell you a story in the Bible about adultery..

so there was this girl who had comitted adultery....

--this story is a fake one , bro. That's what i told sis glo that it will encourgae people to do sin because they will think Jesus (p) forbids to punish the sinners.

u may visit this link:

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/15693-questions-about-bible-8.html


Yes , if anybody repents sincerely , then of course God is the most merciful but it does not mean that u will commintting sin & sin intentionally.

Gay people need medical & religious /spiritual support but no one should supprot them to continue their immoral act as God forbids it.

Pl. try to understand, if the whole world starts supporting u , it will always be considered as a sin . So, try not to repeat sin & ask forgiveness. God is really kind & merciful ...ask help from God.

 

[thirdwatch512]

that story might be made up in your opinion, but certainly not mine. refer to john 8:3-15..

3αγουσιν δε οι γραμματεις και οι φαρισαιοι προς αυτον γυναικα εν μοιχεια κατειλημμενην και στησαντες αυτην εν μεσω
3The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court,

4λεγουσιν αυτω διδασκαλε αυτη η γυνη κατειληφθη επαυτοφωρω μοιχευομενη
4they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act.

5εν δε τω νομω μωσης ημιν ενετειλατο τας τοιαυτας λιθοβολεισθαι συ ουν τι λεγεις
5"Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?"

6τουτο δε ελεγον πειραζοντες αυτον ινα εχωσιν κατηγορειν αυτου ο δε ιησους κατω κυψας τω δακτυλω εγραφεν εις την γην
6They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and withHis finger wrote on the ground.

7ως δε επεμενον ερωτωντες αυτον ανακυψας ειπεν προς αυτους ο αναμαρτητος υμων πρωτος τον λιθον επ αυτη βαλετω
7But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

8και παλιν κατω κυψας εγραφεν εις την γην
8Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9οι δε ακουσαντες και υπο της συνειδησεως ελεγχομενοι εξηρχοντο εις καθ εις αρξαμενοι απο των πρεσβυτερων εως των εσχατων και κατελειφθη μονος ο ιησους και η γυνη εν μεσω εστωσα
9When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court.

10ανακυψας δε ο ιησους και μηδενα θεασαμενος πλην της γυναικος ειπεν αυτη η γυνη που εισιν εκεινοι οι κατηγοροι σου ουδεις σε κατεκρινεν
10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?"

11η δε ειπεν ουδεις κυριε ειπεν δε αυτη ο ιησους ουδε εγω σε κατακρινω πορευου και μηκετι αμαρτανε
11She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either Go From now on sin no more."

and muslim woman - when you speak of acts, are you talking about the acts of loving, the sexual act, or both?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Anything that involves making an action. If its something your feeling but u keep it to yourself and not go on with it or act upon it, then its something which could be forgiven.

 

[thirdwatch512]

Anything that involves making an action. If its something your feeling but u keep it to yourself and not go on with it or act upon it, then its something which could be forgiven.

so what if i, as a gay guy, have a boyfirend? would i be punished by death for that, even if we didn't have sex? and let's say i was totally out to everyone.

 

[Jayda]

Salaam/peace;



--this story is a fake one , bro. That's what i told sis glo that it will encourgae people to do sin because they will think Jesus (p) forbids to punish the sinners.

u may visit this link:

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/15693-questions-about-bible-8.html


Yes , if anybody repents sincerely , then of course God is the most merciful but it does not mean that u will commintting sin & sin intentionally.

Gay people need medical & religious /spiritual support but no one should supprot them to continue their immoral act as God forbids it.

Pl. try to understand, if the whole world starts supporting u , it will always be considered as a sin . So, try not to repeat sin & ask forgiveness. God is really kind & merciful ...ask help from God.

hola Muslim Woman,

this is not true. the pericope adulterae does not appear in certain early greek manuscripts (which are not bibles) like vaticanus or sinaiticus, because it is an interpolation from other gospel sources. the oral tradition was written down on individual papyri for each parable of the gospel... they were written as separate recountings. the very early church took the papyri (independent parables written on papyri and not yet codicized are called "folios") and assembled them into a chronological order so that we could also understand the chronology of Jesus ministry (it is very important), but certain parables did not fit in an particular narrative, so they were kept as separate parables independent of any gospel but still considered inspired scripture. eusebius and papias (bishop of heiraconpolis in the 2nd century) both are on record discussing the pericope adulterae in their sermons.

the question about the pericope is not whether it is inspired or not, the question is whether it is johannine or not... most of the textual studies indicate that it was written before John (the last in chronological order) and was probably originally authored by Matthew.

before the Bible was finally compiled in a perfect Canon codex by St. Jerome in the 5th century the Holy Fathers had decided it should be included in John since that was the only place it could be fit chronologically.

please do not confuse codexing (the converting of the oral tradition into papyri and then into a "book"), which took several centuries, with canonocity which means apostolic origin and date, which the pericope adulterae unquestionably meets.

also just to note... the purpose of the pericope adulterae is that only God can punish sins, not men, and that if we wish to follow God we must go and sin no more. this is consistent with Jesus message commanding us to no longer judge each others on matters of sin at all... it was an entire portion of his ministry that extends beyond one or two parables but in fact many.

homosexuality is against Gods law and is sinful, all sins against chastity are included in this category. we hope and pray people who do these things will stop their sins and turn to God instead, but God is merciful and provides us a way out of sin and it is up to us to accept that, nobody can make us...

Dios te bendiga