Discrimination- A disscusion

[May Ayob]

Salaam Peace be to all

Today i wanted to discuss something, i think or in my opinion happens about in every corner in our beautiful planet.
Yes, it is discrimination , this is a major issue that we as huma nbeings all suffer and it comes in different ways and manners i'll just list out some very common types of discrimination nowadays:
There's the well known - Racial discrimination, the other Gender ,Ethnic and Cultural , Religous, but it there's more to it nowadays discrimination can be suffered by every indiviual if it gets to the point of Social discrimination and also suprisingly there is such a thing as Height and ofcourse Weight discrimination , it seems that we are fetching for every single flaw in our brother or sister in islam or humanity so that we can make fun of them or make our selves feel better by acting superior over them- from an islamic point of view it is very clear that most if not all these types of discriminations are all prohibitied and haraam we are all on the same boat on behalf of God almighty and i think it gets into a deeper meaning because when you are making fun of a person know very well that you aren't really making fun of them but you are kind of like saying - is that what God swt has created i could make something even better _ Auzthi billah and acting just like Ibless that devil I hope Allah protects us all , I think Diversity is a blessing and it is a test to see how are you going to treat your fellow human neighbor no matter what shade, what accent, what skin color, how they look and ..etc

What is your opinion on Discrimination and why is it so common now adays and What do you think are some solutions that we as Muslims and Human beings can follow to fight back this evil

I would apprectiate and respect very much your contribution and i hope i learn as much as i can from it
I also deeply hope you would give me a reply

Thank you very much in advance, Jazakum Allah u Khairan

 

[May Ayob]

i hope someone replies

 

[Who Am I?]

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing skin color shows us is how close to the equator our ancestors lived. It doesn't mean anything else.

That being said, I think there is a natural bias among humans toward people that are similar to us. People that look the same, have the same language, religion, culture, interests, etc. That in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. But it can lead to where you start thinking that one group is better than another simply based on how they look, how they worship, what language they speak, etc.

I personally have always tried to have an open mind and learn about those who are different from me. I admit that I have stumbled sometimes, particularly when I get a negative reaction from someone based on how I look, etc. That's when my anger takes over and I start using racial slurs, etc. I admit freely that I have done that in the past. I try not, but sometimes I stumble. I am only a mere man after all.

As far as solutions, I think education is the key. People fear what they don't understand. I know in my own life that I used to be afraid of Islam, and here I am almost ready to embrace it. How did I overcome that fear? I educated myself. I took it upon myself to learn all that I could about Islam and Muslims. Does it make me a better person? Maybe not. But at least I'm a smarter one now...

 

[Flame of Hope]

What is your opinion on Discrimination and why is it so common now adays and What do you think are some solutions that we as Muslims and Human beings can follow to fight back this evil

So I guess my opinion really does count. lol. Bless your heart for asking.

Discrimination is the result of ignorance and people stay ignorant because of a major disease in their heart... this disease is pride. Whoever has pride in his heart thinks that he is better than others. He thinks he has more knowledge and knows better. So he looks down upon others and belittles them. He begins to discriminate. He assigns a superior position to himself and refuses to listen to other people's point of view. Then he ceases to learn.... and his ignorance increases even more.

So to eliminate discrimination the remedy is to remove the disease of pride in the heart.

The remedy is to be open-minded and listen to the opinions of others. The solution lies in being humble and respecting the thoughts, feelings and ideas of other people.

 

[May Ayob]

Salaam Peace be to all

Thank you Very much for replying back to me! it brought happiness to my heart i thought no one would reply but thank you very much, jazakum Allah u khairan. Thank you Sis flame for giving me a reputaion and also thank you for your Dua'a Thank you brother Just a guy as well
You know we all stumble sometime but the important thing is when we know the Truth and it's effect and what we are going to do about it.

 

[May Ayob]

Salaam Again
I also wanted to add a bit based on what i have observed and my experience-
Regarding these types of discrimination but i hope what i am going to say makes sense...

1.Racial Dicrimination:
Well i'm dark skinned myself so i dont think i'll be speaking from an outsiders point of view and i'll try to be as honest as i can, so yeah,
As for that sure many people can make you feel like your dirty and your skin color is a sign of God hatred and blah blah blah ive had that through out my life but inside of me i didnt belive this about God you know the fitrah but at the same time i didnt really hate the people who used to do this i thought it was kind of ablessing because Now i know how it feels and so hopefully i dont do this to anyone, but yeah race has been an issue to many people the devil tricks people into thinking that they are better or more worthy in the eyes of God or the people because of race and skin color i think history has very sad pages about these issues. But this isnt always against people who are dark skinned i mean a couple of moths ago i think france's President decided to exile all the gypses out of France and i think it is clearly racial discrimination as well. Also in the time of world war 2 when Hitler decided to exucute pretty much just about everyone who isn't from the Aryan race ( people from north Europe- typicall Blonde hair and Blue eyes) everyone one else was disentitled to be a human being there are plenty more example but that's what i can think of right now- hope you share some if you have as well.

2.Gender : This is very common i mean it isn't hard to believe that some men can treat a dog better than they treat the person who is supposed to be the closest to them that is their own wifes. Many people used ecomnomic reasons for an argument as to why they prefer men over women but i dont think that counts at all it's baseless. Some thing that is very interesting that many women don't really see as discrimination is the way they are being valued by their bodies - i mean really howcome the woman has to show every single part of her body for some men to give her respect but on the man's watch he isn't really forced to do anthing at all because in both ways he knows that he will never get affected , it will always be the woman that has to carry the burden of everything- i hope i'm not being biased but that's from my observation and another interesting thing is how some communities openly speak about their hatred for females, but what is rather shocking to me is that there are many females that i have met who hate their female sisters in humanity and prefer males over them as children sad but true.- i hope that made sense

3.Religous- sayings like - My religion is better than yours, We are going to Heaven and You guys are Hell dwellers... wtc i think from an islamic point of view is wrong because the Quran says
-To me is my religion and to you is yours.
- We will not be asked about your deeds nor will you be asked about ours.
- Say Allahum you are the one who judges You servants in what ( the different issues regarding religion) they used to dispute in.

this is from my short knowldge.
Cultural - Making fun of people because of their culture is one that is mainly used in the west - correct me if iam wrong but yeah again from my simple experience they make fum of you if you are Hindu,Bhuddast, Muslim.. etc anything but not a white christian or some one who doesnt flow with our modern daily secular way of life. thing like ew you smell like curry and what not , or you hairy arabs .. etc
only shows how some people are really careless of other people's feelings

Height- well this is something that is happening nowaday and many people who suffer from it may even think about suicide you know if someone is over 6 ft everyone just starts staring at them and saying oh you look like a circus freak - not funny very offensive
also if you're your below 5ft they all start calling you a midget.

Weight- Many people are suffering this everyone just starts calling them names just because of their weight and they make people feel terrible because some times it's not really that persons fault i mean i think they feel bad enough about it no need to make it worse by throwing in hateful comment or scoffing at them just because a person didnt go through this doesnt give them the right to make fun of people i mean sometimes it's not even that person's fault its mainly from their genes and things like that.

Beauty discrimination - i dont know about you guys but honestly ever since i was little i kept running into these types of people who will accept your skin color,..etc as long as you beautifull externaly ofcourse and it's sickening because i have to be fair ive met people who are dark skinned but they can treat a girl who is white and lets say for example she has red hair and green eyes with some freckles - in the most terrible way just because she doesnt look like America's next top Model- Sure nowadays sayings like You are beautifull no matter what they say, Love the skin you're in , and Beauty is in the eye of the beholder is very inspiring but never less this is annother common type of discrimination today we see that has a big affect in our Global society because many people are ready to disentitle you as a human being if they dont like the way you look.

There are plenty more ofcourse
But about that i think these discriminations are a big cause of injustice to our planet people get away with their crime because they're too beautifull , too rich , have a high social status and what not

Of course it is very sad to say that many people in this planet know exactly how to destruct you from outside and they know exactly how to lead you to suicide if you are not what they want

All i have to say is Alhamdulilah found Islam
hope you contribute more and more hope what i said also made some sense

 

[Who Am I?]

The only thing I can add right now is that I try to judge people on how they treat me and how they react towards me, not by what they look like, etc. If you respect me, I will treat you in kind. Do me wrong, and I ignore you at best.

By the way, racial discrimination is not necessarily limited to black vs. white. As an example I use the Irish and the English. They've hated each other for centuries yet they are both white. In fact, the English used to call the Irish by the same derogatory term normally used to describe black people. They thought of the Irish as a lesser race even though they are both white.

 

[May Ayob]

By the way, racial discrimination is not necessarily limited to black vs. white. As an example I use the Irish and the English. They've hated each other for centuries yet they are both white. In fact, the English used to call the Irish by the same derogatory term normally used to describe black people. They thought of the Irish as a lesser race even though they are both white.

Salaam bro , thank you for your reply, yes i agree there are many example where it isnt the Black vs the White , pretty sad but yeah happens almost every where. thank you for the information i didnt know that.

 

[Revert 2010]

Salaam sister, I think discrimination in any form is down to lack of understanding and also fear. If people dislike me because of my skin colour then I don't think they are worth knowing to begin with. I like to look for a persons character and attitude to life before their race,gender etc, the best way to combat this is living by ones Islamic values and living ones life to fullest.

 

[Who Am I?]

Salaam bro , thank you for your reply, yes i agree there are many example where it isnt the Black vs the White , pretty sad but yeah happens almost every where. thank you for the information i didnt know that.

Well as I've said in other threads, I am a history nerd. That was my specialty in school. The only course I didn't skip or sleep through. ;D

Anyway, keep your head up and worry not about what others think of you. Easier said than done I know, especially when those in question are the ones you care about. I am dealing with that right now to an extent. This world is only temporary, and all else shall pass.

 

[May Ayob]

Salaam sister, I think discrimination in any form is down to lack of understanding and also fear. If people dislike me because of my skin colour then I don't think they are worth knowing to begin with. I like to look for a persons character and attitude to life before their race,gender etc, the best way to combat this is living by ones Islamic values and living ones life to fullest.

Thank you both , very apreciated as i said before i'm pretty thankfull for the way i am i wouldnt prefer to be any better but yeah , i hope we can make a difference because we muslims are obliged to speak and stand for justice even if we have to sacrifice things that we see as important - thanks for your support

 

[al yunan]

Walaikum Assalam sister,

The prophet s.a.w Inshallah said "He who seperates people in layers his heart, creates therein a home for Iblis" (not ad verbum).

Masalam

 

[Who Am I?]

Thank you both , very apreciated as i said before i'm pretty thankfull for the way i am i wouldnt prefer to be any better but yeah , i hope we can make a difference because we muslims are obliged to speak and stand for justice even if we have to sacrifice things that we see as important - thanks for your support

If you're happy with the way you are, then you have already won half of the battle. I' m not there yet, but inshallah I will be one day.

 

[ardianto]

If government give privilege to some people and make restriction to other people, is it a discrimination ?.

Depend on the case and depend on the reason. If this discrimination is based on the good intention like help the weak, it's not wrong. In example, there is a country which the people are consist of two ethnic, A and B. Ethnic A people are poor and low educated, ethnic B people are rich and well educated. Is it wrong if government give free study facility only to students from ethnic A and obligate students from ethnic B to pay study cost ?.

I don't think it's wrong, because government make this 'discrimination' based on the good intention, to help the weak strengthen themselves. But of course, a 'good discrimination' like this cannot be implemented forever, but must temporary. After people of ethnic A have been strong like ethnic B, government must stop their privilege.

 

[May Ayob]

If government give privilege to some people and make restriction to other people, is it a discrimination ?. Depend on the case and depend on the reason. If this discrimination is based on the good intention like help the weak, it's not wrong. In example, there is a country which the people are consist of two ethnic, A and B. Ethnic A people are poor and low educated, ethnic B people are rich and well educated. Is it wrong if government give free study facility only to students from ethnic A and obligate students from ethnic B to pay study cost ?. I don't think it's wrong, because government make this 'discrimination' based on the good intention, to help the weak strengthen themselves. But of course, a 'good discrimination' like this cannot be implemented forever, but must temporary. After people of ethnic A have been strong like ethnic B, government must stop their privilege.

Salaam

Well i think you didnt understand what i was trying to say, if the government give group A this privilage it is not discrimination it is the government doing its duty and that is the right of the people in group A to get good education just as everyone else does. This is from my short knowledge and God knows best

Salaam

 

[May Ayob]

Walaikum Assalam sister, The prophet s.a.w Inshallah said "He who seperates people in layers his heart, creates therein a home for Iblis" (not ad verbum). Masalam

Thank you for the reply but what does "the prophet s.a.w Inshallah" mean? is it not an authentic hadeeth?

 

[Who Am I?]

If government give privilege to some people and make restriction to other people, is it a discrimination ?.

Depend on the case and depend on the reason. If this discrimination is based on the good intention like help the weak, it's not wrong. In example, there is a country which the people are consist of two ethnic, A and B. Ethnic A people are poor and low educated, ethnic B people are rich and well educated. Is it wrong if government give free study facility only to students from ethnic A and obligate students from ethnic B to pay study cost ?.

I don't think it's wrong, because government make this 'discrimination' based on the good intention, to help the weak strengthen themselves. But of course, a 'good discrimination' like this cannot be implemented forever, but must temporary. After people of ethnic A have been strong like ethnic B, government must stop their privilege.

There is a system like that in place here in the United States, and some have called it a form of reverse discrimination. The argument is that the government is offering grants to certain minority groups while excluding students from richer families who mainly happen to be white. This has led to a demographic shift in the US college student population. I read something the other day that more minorities from lower class families are getting into high-level universities than ever before, and some rich white families are upset about it.

I've always thought that they should just drop all the grants and pick students based on who is the best qualified, but I suppose that makes too much sense. I think it sucks that you have to pay for your own education anyway.

 

[al yunan]

Thank you for the reply but what does "the prophet s.a.w Inshallah" mean? is it not an authentic hadeeth?

It was a custom of Imam Malik rahimullah to say so and as I was also not witness for me it's best to say "Inshallah" out of respect and to be safe.

 

[May Ayob]

I guess not many people are interested in this topic, thats sad although i thought it was an important issue but no problem

 

[Flame of Hope]

I guess not many people are interested in this topic, thats sad although i thought it was an important issue but no problem

I'm very interested in this topic..... it is a very important issue. Perhaps one of the most important. I just prefer to hear the views of others, sit back and listen.

I thought the points that you raised were very thought-provoking.... and inshallah, I shall comment upon those points when I get the time.