Discussion/Questions on Sikhism

Fi_Sabilillah said:
Bro Avar, i don't wna start all this again - but your religion allows polygamy:


Thakur ek sabaaee Naar: There is one Lord ("Akaal Purakh"), and all are His brides (sggs 933).

cali dude said that lord means husband, so the guy has alot of wives.


If you say that that's not true - then maybe you could quote from your scripture where it limits it to one wife only? :)
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False! You have to read the SGGS to understand. You take one verse and misconstrue it. God is the only ''Husband'' in Sikhism that is what it refers to like ''Pritam'' = Friend. So that means we are all Gods brides because we yearn for him like a wife would do her husband, does that make it clearer? (BTW In a Non-Sexual way before you people with dirty minds reading that into it!) :)

It DOES not have anything to do with a human being.

As to the one wife it's common sense only one partner is enough unless he she dies or you divorce. You seem to find that a difficult concept to accept. If a muslim woman was allowed the same choice of more than one spouse i'd have no queries!
 
Re: Spiritual wisdom v/s Religious dogma

aamirsaab said:
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It's a mans world. :p

Oh just to clarify, polygamy in Islam is mainly for support e.g looking after rather than lust.
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You can provide from the aspect of becomong a brother or father you don't need to marry more women just so you can ''provide''

Bit like charity, where you don't marry every single person you give it too....:D
 
Okay thanks avar, now that you've clarified that - can you quote where it says that man isn't allowed to marry more than one woman? or where it says that its only limited to one spouse. :)

I'm not saying there isn't anything like that in your scripture, just need the clarification.
 
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AvarAllahNoor said:
You can provide from the aspect of becomong a brother or father you don't need to marry more women just so you can ''provide''
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Indeed you can, I believe the Prophet [saw] himself did so for one of his wife's family members after she had passed. In certain cases, however, it may be better to marry the individual.

Bit like charity, where you don't marry every single person you give it too....:D
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But where is the love, man?! (Don't reply to that, i'm just kidding :D)
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Okay thanks avar, now that you've clarified that - can you quote where it says that man isn't allowed to marry more than one woman? or where it says that its only limited to one spouse. :)

I'm not saying there isn't anything like that in your scripture, just need the clarification.
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I'll have a search! - But like you can take what Moahmmad said as word good enough to obey, we take Guru Nanaks word the same way and he instructed fedility! And one spouse.:D
 
Well folks,

Guru Granth Sahib isn't like some of other scriptures. Guru Granth Sahib simply concenterates on spirituality. Anything and everything in Guru Granth Sahib is about God. Guru Granth Sahib doesn't tell people how to live their personal lives.

However there is something called Rehat Maryada. You can look it up http://www.sikhs.org/rehit.htm . Sikh Rehat Maryada explains it all.

I personally haven't read it entirely. But please do keep it in mind that Sikh Rehat Maryada was produced based upon information collected by Sikh scholars. So it may not live up to the spiritual level of Guru Granth Sahib.
 
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cali dude said:
Well folks,

Guru Granth Sahib isn't like some of other scriptures. Guru Granth Sahib simply concenterates on spirituality. Anything and everything in Guru Granth Sahib is about God. Guru Granth Sahib doesn't tell people how to live their personal lives.
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Indeed, there are no stories or fables like most scriptures contain, the Guru Granth Sahib is divine revelation from the Almighty God of the universe and the hereafter! Bole So Nihal Sat Sri Akal (They Be Blessed Who say Truth is God)

Gur Fateh
 
ultimate truth said:
Dhan Sri Guru Arjun dev jee:

Raamkalee, Fifth Mehla:
Some call Him, 'Raam, Raam', and some call Him, 'Khudaa-i'.
Some serve Him as 'Gusain', others as 'Allaah'. ||1||
He is the Cause of causes, the Generous Lord.
He showers His Grace and Mercy upon us. ||1||Pause||
Some bathe at sacred shrines of pilgrimage, and some make the pilgrimage to Mecca.|
Some perform devotional worship services, and some bow their heads in prayer. ||2||
Some read the Vedas, and some the Koran.
Some wear blue robes, and some wear white. ||3||
Some call themselves Muslim, and some call themselves Hindu.
Some yearn for paradise, and others long for heaven. ||4||
Says Nanak, one who realizes the Hukam of God's Will,
knows the secrets of his Lord and Master. ||5||9||
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This is a wonderful shabad. As per my understanding, in a nutshell, it says that people refer to God with many names and classify themselves in different ways, but only those who are capable of recognizing His hukam (will) know the secret. In other words, it's all useless unless you recognize the hukam...
 
I really don't want to attack your faith, but i really want to see evidence from your scripture that it's prohibited in your religion to have multiple marriages. If this isn't stated, then that means its permissible by default as there is no prohibition.

So all comments attacking polygamy are useless if you don't call against it in your own religion.



Regards.
 
Like I said before Guru Granth Sahib only concentrates on God and doesn't tell people how to live their personal lives.

But here is something from SGPC Rehat Maryaada (Code of conduct), which was compiled by some Sikh scholars:

(n) If a woman’s husband has died, she may, if she so wishes, finding a match suitable for her, remarry. For a Sikh man whose wife has died, similar ordinance obtains.

(o) The remarriage may be solemnized in the same manner as the Anand marriage.

(p) Generally, no Sikh should marry a second wife if the first wife is alive.
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p) Generally, no Sikh should marry a second wife if the first wife is alive.
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What's the exception to the general rule?
 
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ultimate truth said:
Dhan Sri Guru Arjun dev jee:

Raamkalee, Fifth Mehla:
Some call Him, 'Raam, Raam', and some call Him, 'Khudaa-i'.
Some serve Him as 'Gusain', others as 'Allaah'. ||1||
He is the Cause of causes, the Generous Lord.
He showers His Grace and Mercy upon us. ||1||Pause||
Some bathe at sacred shrines of pilgrimage, and some make the pilgrimage to Mecca.|
Some perform devotional worship services, and some bow their heads in prayer. ||2||
Some read the Vedas, and some the Koran.
Some wear blue robes, and some wear white. ||3||
Some call themselves Muslim, and some call themselves Hindu.
Some yearn for paradise, and others long for heaven. ||4||
Says Nanak, one who realizes the Hukam of God's Will,
knows the secrets of his Lord and Master. ||5||9||
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thanks, ultimate. i like this one.
i've noticed in some other poems too - that were not composed by guru nanak, his name will be in the signature line. do you know why? was this a common custom in order to honour him?
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
I really don't want to attack your faith, but i really want to see evidence from your scripture that it's prohibited in your religion to have multiple marriages. If this isn't stated, then that means its permissible by default as there is no prohibition.

So all comments attacking polygamy are useless if you don't call against it in your own religion.



Regards.
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What is the Hadith then? are they not the saying of Mohammed? We take what the Guru's said, so that is enough for us so it's not permissible.
 
snakelegs said:
TThanks, ultimate. i like this one.
i've noticed in some other poems too - that were not composed by guru nanak, his name will be in the signature line. do you know why? was this a common custom in order to honour him?
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Yes, because it shows Guru Nanak was the first to be enlightened. But he is not regarded to be God. - Just used so they don't mention themselves as that would result in being egotistical. :statisfie
 
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AvarAllahNoor said:
What is the Hadith then? are they not the saying of Mohammed? We take what the Guru's said, so that is enough for us so it's not permissible.
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Cali dude gave me a quote from the book which the scholars compiled, yet he never explained what the exception to the rule was - so maybe you could clarify who the exception is for?

This was his quote:

cali dude said:
p) Generally, no Sikh should marry a second wife if the first wife is alive.
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Remember to get proof from your scripture, and i think it would be a good idea to find an authentic book also which quotes what guru nanak actually said. :) Thanks.
 

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