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Re: do you think i should?

PCJS said:
Why are you asking others? Aren't you a Muslim to know the answer? Did you become Muslim not knowing everything about Islam? :-)
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lol,

if i had studied everything about islam before i became muslim i would most likely still be studying now and still not be muslim.

it is not necessary to know everything about islam to become muslim, only accept the basics and you can learn the individual rules later.

from a sikh point of view what do you think?
would this be accepted at sikh temples you know of?

Abu Abdullah
 
Re: do you think i should?

Erundur said:
:salamext:

you can eat the sikhs vegetarian meals as long as its not their meat (which you could only eat the people of the books).

I think you 'd get a negative reaction if you went to there temple to try to revert them, I mean the Prophet (saw) preached in front of the Ka'aba during his lifetime and the Mushrikeen thought the ka'aba as there holy ground. :hmm:

:sl:
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practicing sikhs dont eat meat, i have discovered that already. wierd because it is only on an islamic message board i have discovered that and never come across someone claiming this faith who didnt eat meat.

i agree the response might be negative, but if approached calmly and respectfully i am hopeful i might be successful and if i get a beating for it then i will be rewarded for that from Allah swt, and if they kill me even better as i would have died for Allah and in following the sunnah of Rasoolullah saws in preaching to the disbelievers.

Assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
Re: do you think i should?

:sl:

Well, I'm not sure of their rules pertaining to people of other faiths visiting, but theres a massive Gurdwara on East Park Road, which seems pretty open, considering my friend (muslim) did his work experience there (in the creche section) and apparantly they were very friendly towards him. Suppose it depends if your Da'wah is done tactfully, or full on harsh (which might not go down well in a temple)

:w:

P.S. - Not sure of the Islamic take on it though sorry
 
Re: do you think i should?

Let me ask you this? What should happen to a Christian who goes to a Mosque and tries to convert people?
 
Re: do you think i should?

PCJS said:
Let me ask you this? What should happen to a Christian who goes to a Mosque and tries to convert people?
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there is a christian, he is actually a deacon (like a junior manager in the church of england) who visits our local mosque.

he has fully learnt the prayers in arabic, prays in line with us, fasts with us, breaks his fast with us and has now started calling himself a christian AND a muslim and goes to palestine on peace missions.

so really it has worked the other way, he is coming to islam not us coming towards christianity.

But i get what you are trying to say,

Abu Abdullah
 
Re: Guru Granth Sahib?

Guru Granth Sahib is flawless. Any religious or personal aspect that goes Guru Granth Sahib is a flaw in itself.

Sikhs here on this site aren't spiritually wise enough to answer all of your questions about Guru Granth Sahib. So you should go to http://www.sikhnet.com and there are people who can give you better answers

This is a Muslim site and it only supports Islam. So, what it means we can't expect it to be fair to all.

First you should ask the moderators that we will be allowed to ask any question about Islam. Only then you should start questioning Sikhi.
 
Re: do you think i should?

You get what I am trying to say and yet you didn't answer my question? Are you trying to hide something?

You remember there was a Muslim in Afghanistan who converted and everyone was out there to get him until he got out of the country?
 
Re: Guru Granth Sahib?

PCJS said:
Guru Granth Sahib is flawless. Any religious or personal aspect that goes Guru Granth Sahib is a flaw in itself.

Sikhs here on this site aren't spiritually wise enough to answer all of your questions about Guru Granth Sahib. So you should go to http://www.sikhnet.com and there are people who can give you better answers

This is a Muslim site and it only supports Islam. So, what it means we can't expect it to be fair to all.

First you should ask the moderators that we will be allowed to ask any question about Islam. Only then you should start questioning Sikhi.
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well it is a muslim site,

if i went to a sikh site i would expect i would be moderated simularly which is fine so i will continue to ask my questions of the sikhs same as i ask simular questions of christians and jews.

if you want an open debate on such matters the bbc messageboard is quite good for this but i left that one ages ago because it is too adverserial and full of those who hate for hatred sake and do not want to help each other but just attack.

Abu Abdullah
 
Re: Guru Granth Sahib?

That's what great about Sikhi. No, in Sikhi, a non-Sikh wouldn't be treated the same way a non-Muslim would be treated in Islam.
 
Re: Guru Granth Sahib?

PCJS said:
May I add, that's why Sikhi is the greatest :-)
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i will add that when i was a non muslim the muslims did treat me well, very well.

but sikhs i had one or two bad experiences with as well as hearing bad things about them,

but i have since found that practicing or baptised sikhs dont even consider these bad people as sikhs so i dont hold it against the sikhi faith that these individuals behaved this way same as i dont hold george bush against christianity.

Abu Abdullah
 
Re: Guru Granth Sahib?

i will have to go offline soon for perhaps as long as several months, i now understand not possible to get an english copy of the Guru Granth Sahib in paper.

is there a downloadable copy in english just like there are online versions?

Abu Abdullah
 
Re: do you think i should?

PCJS said:
You get what I am trying to say and yet you didn't answer my question? Are you trying to hide something?

You remember there was a Muslim in Afghanistan who converted and everyone was out there to get him until he got out of the country?
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no i did answer your question,

i told you we allowed the christian preacher into our mosque and we spoke about his faith and our faith and looked for commonalities and differences to facilitate understanding and yes because we were trying to spread our respective faiths.

in the end he now calls himself a christian and a muslim and has learnt our prayers and it is my hope he will become muslim fully and reject trinity which he still believes in.

as you know though, if someone converts from islam to another faith then the punishment is death if they are public about it or it comes to the attention of the authorities but it is not for regular people to carry out the punishment and we cannot carry it out here in the uk as we have to live by the laws of the land here.

but every single revert from sikhi i have met or heard of has had terrible problems with the sikh community giving death threats and such like.

Abu Abdullah
 
Re: Guru Granth Sahib?

Well nobody can properly translate Guru Granth Sahib in English. Even to properly understand Guru Granth Sahib, you have to have to certain level of spiritual wisdom. I myself have found some mistakes in English translation. So you wouldn't find anything that is exact translation.
 
Re: do you think i should?

The question was: would you allow a Chrisitian to try converting people in a mosque?

Remember during Tsunami, there were some Chrisitians suspected of trying to convert people and Muslims were really upset about it? Do you think it's right for you to believe that it's OK for you to go other religious places trying to convert and yet it isn't OK for others to come to your religious place trying to convert?

So what are you saying? It's OK for someone to convert to Islam and go public and yet it isn't OK for someone to convert from Islam and go public? In other words, you could never be fair...
 
Re: Guru Granth Sahib?

PCJS said:
Well nobody can properly translate Guru Granth Sahib in English. Even to properly understand Guru Granth Sahib, you have to have to certain level of spiritual wisdom. I myself have found some mistakes in English translation. So you wouldn't find anything that is exact translation.
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i agree,

the Quran translations often have to be updated when mistakes are found and the full exact meaning can never be conveyed but the general concepts usually can.

if i found flaws in the logic, or contradictions i accept some of these could be down to a bad translation but not all. but i am not unfair, i would of-course give sikhs equal opportunity to respond to these remarks and if they think it is down to mistranslation then they can try to correct me and if i agree then fine i will withdraw that comment.

i am not an unfair person.

Abu Abdullah
 
Re: do you think i should?

the food is called langaar and yesh you can eat it as long as they dont no rituals or anythin with it :D

and yesh doin dawaah is a good thin, but you shouldnt like be committed to tryin to show them the light :p like give them dawaah if they accept then woo hoo if they dont then remem, Allah (swt) guides whom he wants and misguides whom he wants :D
 
Re: do you think i should?

There is something called bhog lavaai to the langar, which is kind of religious ritual. I am pretty sure you, as a Muslim, don't wanna eat langar after bhog lavaai.
 
Re: do you think i should?

PCJS said:
There is something called bhog lavaai to the langar, which is kind of religious ritual. I am pretty sure you, as a Muslim, don't wanna eat langar after bhog lavaai.
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whats bhog lavaai? langaar food isnt a religious ritual type food is it?

my mateys used to bring me food from there, but i wasnt sure about it, so i used to say to em instead of bringin me food jus bring me sum coke cans :D
 
Re: Guru Granth Sahib?

PCJS said:
Like I said, there is nobody here who is spiritually wise enough to answer all questions possibly coming from a non-Sikh. So, you should go http://www.sikhnet.com . Even though they might not be able to answer all questions, at least they can give you better answers than we can.

Hope to see you there :)
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well if i get time i will take a look, already been on that site reading some of the info.

will also if i get the chance go to the sikh temple in leicester near my father in laws house.

Abu Abdullah
 

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