Discussion/Questions on Sikhism

[Muslim Woman]

Re: do you think i should?

Assalaamu Alaykum,

i am shortly to be moving to Leicester which has a large sikh population so have begun to examine their faith so i can give them dawah insha'allah.

i believe i have found several obvious flaws that i could use to show their religion as being false and as long as my own faith is strong enough so i am not in danger do you think it would be allowable to visit the sikh temple to call them towards islam?

i understand the sikhs keep a communial kitchen that only serves vegetarian food, these communial meals are supposed to be open to all of every faith. is it allowable for me to attend this and eat with them for the purposes of calling them towards islam?

Assalaamu Alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)

&&&

Salaam/peace;

well bro , i suggest don't hurry. At first go , make friendship with those who want to know about other faith , then invite them to the local mosque & discuss. U may also invite them to join here.

If they don't mix blood , alcohol i.e any such haram ( forbidden items ) , then veg foods should be ok to eat.

may Allah make ur dawah work easy & successful , Ameen. Let us know about ur progress. kay:

 

[Dawud_uk]

Re: do you think i should?

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)

&&&

Salaam/peace;

well bro , i suggest don't hurry. At first go , make friendship with those who want to know about other faith , then invite them to the local mosque & discuss. U may also invite them to join here.

If they don't mix blood , alcohol i.e any such haram ( forbidden items ) , then veg foods should be ok to eat.

may Allah make ur dawah work easy & successful , Ameen. Let us know about ur progress. kay:

i am checking it out and they dont seem to carry out any religious rites (OR RITUALS!) over their food whilst preparing it for the communal meals as the whole idea is to invite everyone of whatever religion in so should be ok to eat insha'allah if i went there.

Abu Abdullah

 

[- Qatada -]

Re: do you think i should?

Hey PCJS.


I think the reason why muslims were annoyed with the christian missionaries was because they were actually bribing/blackmailing people and only giving the provisions if they became christian. That's not the case with someone trying to invite someone else to their religion by showing them irrefutable facts.



Peace.

 

[PCJS]

Re: do you think i should?

Fi_Sabilillah

as you know though, if someone converts from islam to another faith then the punishment is death if they are public about it or it comes to the attention of the authorities but it is not for regular people to carry out the punishment and we cannot carry it out here in the uk as we have to live by the laws of the land here.

Abu Abdullah

Can you please confirm if this is true?

If so, can you tell how on this earth you, as a Muslim, could ever be fair to all when punishment for a person for converting from Islam and going public is death? How could you have freedom of religion in Islam?

 

[aamirsaab]

Re: do you think i should?

The question was: would you allow a Chrisitian to try converting people in a mosque?

Dawah and converting people to Islam are two different things.

Though, to answer your question, christians or any other members of other religious faiths are welcome to enter the masjid and do their equivalent of dawah.

Very few people would enter a mosque/temple/church to actually convert someone to another faith seeing as they'd probably get laughed at.

Through the means of intellectual dialogue, it is possible however, to convert someone, provided of course that person wants to, within themselves (this is the key point), convert.

As far as death penalties for apostates, an entire thread has been dedicated to it. Though, for those who are lazy and want to be spoon fed: the death penalty for apostacy (leaving Islam for another faith) is only done in times of war. For clarification on this, please read the thread dedicated to apostacy in Islam.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Re: Guru Granth Sahib?

well if i get time i will take a look, already been on that site reading some of the info.

will also if i get the chance go to the sikh temple in leicester near my father in laws house.

Abu Abdullah

May I ask you to refer to the Sikh place of worship as Gurdwara brother? It's not a temple. Thankyou!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

Ok I dont wana hijack either, but to Tabs. The Qur'an was written down in order "during" the time of the Prophet(saw) and "put together" later on.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

bring forward just as i have done so with the contradiction of denying ritual and then practicing it.

Abu Abdullah

Sikhi rejects blind rituals. Show me where it states that praying (ritual) is forbidden n Sikhi?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

i believe their religion is false, but if we just qoute text at them they dont accept as genuine in the first place then it is unlikely they will accept it.

we have to show them our book is true and their false, our deen true and their's false or else how can we convince them?

Assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

How is Sikhi false? When our scriptures are the only exististing scriptures which have been written by a Prophet himself?

Mohammed DID NOT write the Quran, his accomplices did, hence being Prone to human errors. This can't be denied, or Allah would have made these other people prophets too.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

:salamext:

O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.

Why did Allah not tell him to compile it while he was alive, if it was Allah's word?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

The Qur'an was written down in order "during" the time of the Prophet(saw) and "put together" as a book later on.

 

[One Man Army]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

as far as i know muhammad sahib couldnt remember the revalation after he had it.. it was down to his companions to write it.. well this is what my muslim r.s teacher told me

 

[Malaikah]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

as far as i know muhammad sahib couldnt remember the revalation after he had it.. it was down to his companions to write it.. well this is what my muslim r.s teacher told me

What?? That isn't true!

In fact, Muhammad used to be worried that he might not be able to remember them after he heard the verses for the first time and he used to frantically try to repeat them as the angel was teaching him, until God told him later not to do that, and that God will ensure that he will not forget them.

That is mentioned in the Quran itself in these verses:

16. Move not your tongue concerning (the Qur'ân, O Muhammad SAW) to make haste therewith.
17. It is for Us to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad SAW) the ability to recite it (the Qur'ân),
18. And when We have recited it to you [O Muhammad SAW through Jibrael (Gabriel)], then follow you its (the Qur'ân's) recital.
19. Then it is for Us (Allâh) to make it clear to you,​

chapter 75

 

[Malaikah]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

Mohammed DID NOT write the Quran, his accomplices did, hence being Prone to human errors. This can't be denied, or Allah would have made these other people prophets too.

Since when did writing something that you had committed to memory by hundreds of people and that was also written on bits and pieces here and there into one big collection make someone a prophet??

It really isn't as hard as you think.

Why did Allah not tell him to compile it while he was alive, if it was Allah's word?

Maybe because it is God's word, and it's authenticity doesn't depend on the will of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), but on the Will of God? God already said in the Quran that He will not allow the book to be changed, so what difference does it make if it was Muhammad (pbuh) or his most trusted companions who wrote it down?

AND BY THE WAY, the Quran WAS written down during the prophets time with his supervision, just not in ONE book.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

But you as muslims say Mohammed is the last messenger, yet Allah did not trust him/instuct to him to complie something as great as the Quran himself? Why? It's not feasible! - He can't be Allahs most devoted and beloved Prophet if Allah didn't give him the instruction. So ranting about jpw people memorised it and so on, is worthless!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

But you as muslims say Mohammed is the last messenger, yet Allah did not trust him/instuct to him to complie something as great as the Quran himself? Why? It's not feasible! - He can't be Allahs most devoted and beloved Prophet if Allah didn't give him the instruction. So ranting about jpw people memorised it and so on, is worthless!

How did Allah(swt) not trust or instruct him(saw)? The Prophet(saw) is the most Beloved to Allah(swt). Allah(swt) has already challenged mankind and promised to protect the Qur'an from any changes. How is memorizing the "entire" Qur'an worthless?
Is it because you don't want to accept it? If you don't want too, thats your decision, but you need not disrespect.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

Mohammed DID NOT write the Quran, his accomplices did, hence being Prone to human errors. This can't be denied, or Allah would have made these other people prophets too.

The argument above is ridiculous.

You obviously have no familiarity with the preservation of the Qur'an. How can one expect any discrepancy, when there have existed several million memorizers of the Qur'an in every generation since the time of the Messenger until our own time? Should anyone alter a even a syllable of the original text of the Qur'an, these memorizers would at once expose the mistake. And the written texts are all in sync with what has been memorized, so the arguement of whether the Prophet should have written the Qur'an is baseless.

What is ironic is that you are doubting and debating the preservation of the Qur'an whereas we have a science that teaches us exactly how the Messenger himself recited the Qur'an.

Anyway this is an old arguement, countless times refuted, so before its brought up again, these links will benefit:

http://www.islamicboard.com/27163-post2.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/29549-post10.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/49481-post24.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/49781-post27.html

 

[Malaikah]

Re: do you think i should?



Dawud, I can't help you much about the religious rulings, but I think you should be careful before you try to give dawah to them, make sure you understand their religion properly first, it wouldn't look so great if you show that you don't understand sikhism.

 

[alidagreat]

Re: do you think i should?

Asalam Alaykum Brother,

Why do you feel the need to go to another religions place of worship and spread Islam to them there? How would you feel if Christians or Jews walked into a mosque and began preaching their religions to you? I know that I would not like it all and it would be completely disrespectful. Remember Surat Al Qafirun. And remember this is a religion that cannot be accepted by everyone. God will open the hearts of those who want to believe, but you cannot force Islam on anyone.

Salam

 

[TABS19]

Re: beginners guide to sikhism?

The Qur'an was written down in order "during" the time of the Prophet(saw) and "put together" as a book later on.

Firstly, was Prophet Mohammed not illiterate, so how could he verify what was being written down was exactly the way he verified it?

Secondly, in regards to your comment, that the Quran was written down in order, how comes it was not compiled in order then?