cali dude said:
Do you know why they say love is blind? Because once someone is seduced especially as young age, s/he can't tell what's right and what's wrong. A nine years old probably doesn't even understand what a marriage is supposed to be all about, then how can she know whether or not it's the right decision to make?
My question was: would you feel safer having your child around someone who treat her as his own children than someone who could have lust about her? So, this isn't matter of Sikhs only, I am proposing this to entire humanity to adopt this behavior. Only then we could have a safe environment for kids.
Arranging to marry someone of about the same age is different than marrying someone old enough to be father, although I really don't know how many child marriages can be considered successful marriages?
Doesn't practical mean moral as well? If a girl doesn't even know what marriage is supposed to be about, then how is it moral to get her married?Islam is a practical religion . Islam gives solutions to problems
Sorry I am usually short of time and I am not a fast typist. So I usually don't have time to answer all of your question. I don't like to post at work. But Avar is doing fine answering some of those questions.Hey cali dude. Thanks for avoiding all my questions which i've continuously asked you on this thread.
How about these revered gurus' which had more than one wife:
I'll try believing avar's story which he mentioned above, so maybe we can class out guru gobind singh for a little while, but how about the others?
The book you are referring to Sikh Rehat Maryada was compiled in 1900's based upon what's believed to be conversation between Guru Gobind Singh Ji and Bhai Nand Lal. Guru Granth Sahib didn't come out after Guru Gobind Singh Ji. For more accurate info, please read a website as I don't like to give wrong info.
A person becomes pious only with grace of God. Anyone can claim to be pious but can only be confirmed by his/her actions.
An man marrying a Child who is young enough to be a daughter is more of a problem that polygamy.
definition of a child as per wikipedia:
Once again, Sikhi, being pure spirituality, only concentrates on how to be spiritually wiser rather. But it's common sense. If someone is about the same age as your children or children of people of about the same age as you.
As far as my understanding goes, first level is to control vices and revering at God's name. What do you mean guru never had those laws? It isn't matter of what's permitted and what's not. It's more of a matter of what you have controlled what you haven't and you can only know only through spiritual experience.
No, people can't simply decide what a vice is. A vice is whatever distracts our concentration with God. It isn't matter of what if in a marriage. The one who has lust can't get to that level within or without marriage.
Flame concept is a example, just as water blended with water, an example to explain how close to God gurus and saints were, so close that they are become blended with God. God is complete with or without anybody. God isn't less of a God without someone and isn't more of a God with someone.
And the standard back then was when the girl/guy hits puberty, because thats what symbolises adulthood.
Well you are right, nobody can be with God on their own or force them into being with God. It takes a lot of reverence on God's name and it takes God's own will to be with God. What you do, as a Muslim, is simply karma. Karma can only help you or hurt you during reincarnation. But it will not help you being united with God.
Among Sikhs, I have never heard of someone in his 40's marrying a nine year old. Even if it were, it wouldn't be considered acceptable by majority of the people. So the issue here is an older adult marrying a child, not a child marrying a child.I'm sure they never had dictionary.com back then.
Apparently, as per the definition, a child is still a child even if s/he had menses or wet dreams.
As far as Sikhi being pure spirituality goes, yes this is a fact Sikhi is so. Yes this is true that someone who is young enough to be same age your kids or kids of people about the same age as you are young enough to be your child.
They can get there if they try but it's still with grace of God that they can get to that level, not on their own. It can happen in couple of ways. First if God helps them Himself or if they find a true guru but in both cases grace of God is needed. There is nothing we can do without grace of God.
Yes whatever distracts your concentration. But for those whose concentration is so solid, it probably doesn't get distracted by eating chocolate
Nobody is saying it's required. But it's a good idea if you like to get out of this cycle of re-incarnation.
Well if I could be a true Sikh, I would have been connected with God already. But I do know that whatever I doing trying to be a good Sikh, is at least not earning me bad karma. I am sorry to say this but I feel that Muslims today are earning bad karma because how mind is set even if you don't take action based upon your beliefs. I especially feel for Punjabi Muslims. You guys are missing something so beautiful as Sikhi, which you could follow if your ancestors didn't gave in to forceful conversion.
Salvation can only be achieved through Sikhi only.I'm sure matters of salvation in the hereafter are more important than the topics we've been debating about marriage.
You guys are missing something so beautiful as Sikhi, which you could follow if your ancestors didn't gave in to forceful conversion.
I am not from Punjab, however if what you said is true, I would be pleased, no, rathar proud that my forefathers were killed and their children became Muslim. It was a case of generations after generations entering Hell, so someone cut off that chain and thus now it is a generation upon generation of people who will enter Paradise Insha'Allaah.
