Discussion/Questions on Sikhism

[Muslim Woman]

..... I think ......... they are not mature enough to be married.

Salaam/peace ,

no one is forcing anyone to get married in Islam ..........why it's so hard for u to understand ?

So it changed with "society's norms". Since it changed, it isn't an absolute truth.

---Quranic law is forever & that Truth won't change till the Last Day.

The Last Prophet (p) prayed , fasted , gave charity , performed Hajj ....these religious matters those are mentioned in the Quran are compulsory for us.

He liked honey but it's not compulsory for us to eat it as Quran does not say that it's a must for us to eat it . His 1st wife was a twice widow but also it's not compulsory for any Muslim men to marry a twice widow.......understand now ?

There is not any verse in Quran that says maximum age gap between wife & husband should be ........; it's also not mentioned in ur holy book, too. It's up to the parents of both sides , bride & bridegrooms to decide .


So , bashing a blessed marriage is useless . As forced marriage is not allowed in Islam & the Quazi must take consent of the girl first before taking man's consent , ur concern about a happy Muslim wife is meaningless .


Pl. save ur energy for other imp matters


I wonder if ur Gurus taught u to do so ....criticising a legal marriage regarding all major holy books .


PS. bro Fi - Sabilillah , ur post 551 is excellent . Insha Allah , i m going to e-mail it to my husband , brothers uncles & all my married friends


Thanks for sharing

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ,

apparently, you don't know that someone who is not "mature enough" to know what marriage is supposed to all about isn't necessarily capable of making the right decision by agreeing to get married.


But apparently, what you would do then, you wouldn't necessarily do it today as you said it isn't "society's norms' anymore. So it could be that you don't live by Quranic law.

----Masha Allah , u r so energetic but unfortunately u r wasting it .

Ur holy book does not prohibit this marriage , u failed to provide any verse from ur book about the minimum age for marriage & maximum age gap between wife & husband , still u r insisting that it was illegal.


ok , can u show me verse from other ' major ' holy books that shows that it was an illegal marriage ? If u can't do that , then pl. stopping bashing a legal marriage.


Personal opinions changes from time & time , depends on culture ,age , gender etc . Just because u don't like anything , it does not mean that the matter is illegal/ unethical & no one can do that.


I think , Sikhs are wasting a beautiful chance here to let others know about their religion . Instead of bashing a legal marriage , pl. let me know how u pray , what u say in ur prayer ?


I read in an article that Sikhs pray , i seek refuse under the sword of Guru Gobind or Nanak JI ???? If it's true , i want to know why u pray like this ? Why not seek refuse with God Almighty ? Do u beleive Gurus can hear ur prayer & accept it ?

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


I've deleted some of cali's posts, and if he posts anything similar to that again - it will be deleted, since he can't bring any proof whatsoever for his claims.

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

Re: Questions for Sikhs

Well just as Christians have images of Jesus and Muslims have images if Ali, Sikhs have images of the Gurus. This does not imply that this what the Gurus looked like, it goes back to hindu distortion and how they tried to bring Sikhi under Hinduism but failed. - They are used mainly for educational purposes yet nobody would you see prostrating before one.

My name Means -Allah gave life to all, so whom should we regard as bad, and whom shall we regard as good.

Gur Fateh

Peace to all

Thank you AvarAllahNoor, but I have a Sikh friend and she says that they do worship the ten Gurus because te first question I asked was "do you worship one God?" And she replied by saying "we worship ten Gods" then I explained to her your answer to my previous post and she says she's confused! But hopefully she will give me he answer tomorrow and she told me that teh Guru Granth Sahib is like their God with all the teachings and such. So can you explain to me again and to others do you believe in one God or not? Are the Gurus like people sent on Earth to spread Sikhism or something like that. :?

Peace to all.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ,


question to any Sikh:

I read in a revert story that Sikhs believe Muslims killed Sikh's god. In another forum , a Sikh sis said , no , they don't treat that Guru as god. Can u pl. clarify the matter ?

Do some Sikhs believe that Gurus are like God & they can answer the prayers & Muslims killed one of them who was respected as god ?

 

[NoName55]

Re: Questions for Sikhs

Peace to all

..................explain to me again and to others do you believe in one God or not? .............................

Peace to all.

Hume, Robert E., The World's Living Religions, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, rev. ed., 1959.

McAuliffe, M. A., Sikh Religion: Its Gurus, Sacred Writings, and Authors, London: Oxford University Press, 1909.

Singh, K. in the Abingdon Dictionary of Living Religions, Keith Grim, general editor, Nashville: Abingdon Press, 1981.

the Sikh religion teaches that salvation consists in knowing God, or in obtaining God, or being absorbed into God. The general method of salvation is fairly consistent with the supremacy of an inscrutable God, and with the accompanying doctrines of the worthlessness of the world and the helplessness of man... This method of obtaining salvation by a pantheistic merging of the individual self with the mystical world soul is identical with the method of salvation which had been taught in the Hindu Upanishads" (Robert E. Hume, The World's Living Religions, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, rev. ed., 1959, pp. 102, 103).

1. Theoretically, belief in a mystical Supreme Unity.
2. Practically, great variety of designations for deity.
3. A certain theistic application of pantheism, even as in some of the Hindu Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita.
4. Salvation by faith in the grace of God.
5. The doctrine of Karma.
6. Transmigration of souls.
7. Hindu polytheism repudiated, in favor of a monistic pantheism.
8. Hindu pilgrimages, ritualism, and hermit asceticism repudiated, in favor of pure worship of the Pure One.
9. Hindu scriptures repudiated, in favor of the Sikh scriptures.
10. Hindu degradation of women repudiated, in favor of a higher regard for women.
11. Hindu infanticide repudiated, in favor of a more vigorous populating.
12. Hindu vegetarianism repudiated, in favor of a more vigorous meat-eating.
13. Unity of the Supreme Personal Being.
14. Sovereignty of the Supreme Absolute Ruler.
15. A certain mercifulness attributed to the inscrutable deity, along with an uncomplainable arbitrariness.
16. Salvation through submission to God.
17. Worship through repetition of the name of the deity.
18. Great importance in repeating prescribed prayers.
19. Devotion to the founder as God's prophet.
20. Extreme reverence for sacred scripture.
21. A series of subsequent leaders after the original founder.
22. A long, powerful, militaristic church state.
23. Unity among believers, despite subsequent sects.
24. A very important central shrine - Amritsar.
25. Vehement denunciation of idolatry.

The first section in the sacred scripture, a kind of Lord's Prayer, composed by the founder at a
crisis in his early life when seeking for God, and subsequently prescribed for daily repetition
by all his followers.

 

[cali dude]

----Masha Allah , u r so energetic but unfortunately u r wasting it .

Personal opinions changes from time & time , depends on culture ,age , gender etc . Just because u don't like anything , it does not mean that the matter is illegal/ unethical & no one can do that.

Well when it comes to morality, it apparently can't be set by a religions, as religions from time to time have been proven wrong. The law makers today have learned and determined that a child is not mature enough to give consent to certain things, e.g. having sex. That's why an adult having sex with a minor is considered rape, even if a child consents to it.

Even though we think prophets knew everything about God, apparently, it's been the ordinary humans who found out about planets, computers and airplanes. No prophet could ever come up with Newton's laws, Machine language or other scientific principles.

So what we know today with time tends to be more accurate than what we knew thousands of years ago. Therefore, morality should be based upon we know for sure today rather than a religious belief or practice thousands of years ago.

Have a good day.

Fi_Sabilillah, you can delete all the posts you want but my job is to post what makes most sense and make people aware of it so that they can think about it and make a sound decision rather than having a blind faith. If you believe in all mighty God, you should be aware that you will be punished for deleting and hiding something that could lead to truth.

Have a nice day

 

[cali dude]

By the way, it's useless to talk to you guys about Sikhi as we have determined that you simply don't understand and simple reason behind it is that you grew up with different understanding of religion than us. Just like it doesn't make sense to us that paradise would have things that only this body has pleasure out of, there are other stuff about Sikhi you don't understand.

So, it's useless to talk to you about Sikhi...

 

[- Qatada -]

Thanks for your advice cali dude, and i'm sure that i don't need to get my 'morals' and 'ethics' from people who always be changing their morals anyway.

So i don't need to get my advice off them who encourage young girls at the age of 7 to buy thongs, or those that encourage them to have boyfriends at that age, those who teach that there is nothing wrong with performing sexual activities with anyone who you meet in the pub. Whether you cheat on your spouse or not, or whether your spouse runs away with someone from the same gender and leaves the person alone with their children when they are in most need of help.

This society has the most rights, yeah? Those who used to debate over whether a woman really had a soul or not. And those women who had to change their surnames into their husbands surname so that she can become his property?


Or how about those who burnt their wives alive, because their 'lord' husband had died? Being a widow is much worse than being burnt alive? Or how about those who would marry their own sisters?



Islaam has overcome all the barriers above, and the only reason for the advance in the world is due to islaam.

Try looking it up yourself:

Islamic History



The main reason why we are in humiliation is due to the fact that we turned away from the religion of Allaah. Yet when the muslims were whole-heartedly into islaam, Allaah raised their honor. And that will soon come into effect as the Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself stated.



Regards.

 

[cali dude]

So i don't need to get my advice off them who encourage young girls at the age of 7 to buy thongs, or those that encourage them to have boyfriends at that age, those who teach that there is nothing wrong with performing sexual activities with anyone who you meet in the pub. Whether you cheat on your spouse or not, or whether your spouse runs away with someone from the same gender and leaves the person alone with their children when they are in most need of help.

I didn't know any law book encouraged this. Could you find us some reference to this?

This society has the most rights, yeah? Those who used to debate over whether a woman really had a soul or not. And those women who had to change their surnames into their husbands surname so that she can become his property?

Or how about those who burnt their wives alive, because their 'lord' husband had died? Being a widow is much worse than being burnt alive? Or how about those who would marry their own sisters?

Islaam has overcome all the barriers above, and the only reason for the advance in the world is due to islaam.

Try looking it up yourself:

Islamic History

I seriously doubt this because apparently Muslims marry their first cousin, which can cause birth defects. All those practices you refer to, for example Sati Pradha, were as a results of religious beliefs. But with time, society has learned better.

The main reason why we are in humiliation is due to the fact that we turned away from the religion of Allaah. Yet when the muslims were whole-heartedly into islaam, Allaah raised their honor. And that will soon come into effect as the Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself stated.

Who is humiliation and how? Please elaborate...

Thanks

 

[- Qatada -]

I didn't know any law book encouraged this. Could you find us some reference to this?

I don't need to there's no law calling against it - which means the government doesn't class it as wrong. Just try looking at society around you.

I seriously doubt this because apparently Muslims marry their first cousin, which can cause birth defects. All those practices you refer to, for example Sati Pradha, were as a results of religious beliefs. But with time, society has learned better.

That can be said about anyone, did you know that two people who aren't even cousins can still have a disabled child? All they need is a carrier gene.

And oh yeah - maybe you could prove that from sikhi religious sources too.

Who is humiliation and how? Please elaborate...

The muslims. Look at islamic history, and you'll see the times they are humiliated is at times when they turn away from their religion and start falling into the traps of society. I.e. in the 80's - alot of the muslims fell under communism, which humiliated them more.


This has been prophecised by the Prophet of Allaah himself:


We have the hadîth where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “This community of mine is a community blessed with mercy. It is not punished in the Hereafter. Instead, it is punished in this world with strife, instability, and bloodshed.” [Musnad Ahmad, Sunan Abî Dâwûd, and Mustadrak al-Hâkim] It is an authentic hadîth. It indicates that Allah has shown mercy on the Islamic community and that its punishment will be in this world instead of the Hereafter.

Thanks

No worries.

 

[cali dude]

I don't need to there's no law calling against it - which means the government doesn't class it as wrong. Just try looking at society around you.

It's hard to believe you are making such statements. Yes there are laws against adultery and parents can legally control their kids until they are adults.

That can be said about anyone, did you know that two people who aren't even cousins can still have a disabled child? All they need is a carrier gene.

And oh yeah - maybe you could prove that from sikhi religious sources too.

Of course anybody can be born with birth defects but in case of someone marrying first cousin, the chances are a lot greater.

I don't know how many I have to repeat this but in Sikhi, people need to be spiritually wise and once you are spiritually wise, you don't do anything wrong.

The muslims. Look at islamic history, and you'll see the times they are humiliated is at times when they turn away from their religion and start falling into the traps of society. I.e. in the 80's - alot of the muslims fell under communism, which humiliated them more.


This has been prophecised by the Prophet of Allaah himself:


We have the hadîth where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “This community of mine is a community blessed with mercy. It is not punished in the Hereafter. Instead, it is punished in this world with strife, instability, and bloodshed.” [Musnad Ahmad, Sunan Abî Dâwûd, and Mustadrak al-Hâkim] It is an authentic hadîth. It indicates that Allah has shown mercy on the Islamic community and that its punishment will be in this world instead of the Hereafter.

No worries.

In what part of the world (country) are Muslims in humiliation state? In Iraq, Afghanistan or Palestine? None of this has to do with going against Islam, does it? Even in Russia, guess who helped them?

 

[NoName55]

guess who helped them?

who?


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I bet you are living outside India since you show so much hostility toward
Islaam while in India majority of Sikhs and Muslims are in the same boat
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[- Qatada -]

It's hard to believe you are making such statements. Yes there are laws against adultery and parents can legally control their kids until they are adults.

I don't think there are any laws which forbid adultery, otherwise i'd see many people being locked up. Too bad that isn't the case. I studied law for abit, and a mother doesn't even have right over her son, so she can bring him up all her life, then when he wants to run away - he doesn't need to support her. So fair right?



In the Qur'an, Allaah says:

Behold, Luqman said to his son by way of instruction: "O my son! join not in worship (others) with Allah: for false worship is indeed the highest wrong-doing."

And We have enjoined upon man [care] for his parents. His mother carried him, [increasing her] in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning is in two years. Be grateful to Me and to your parents; to Me is the [final] destination.

[Qur'an 31: 13-14]



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Of course anybody can be born with birth defects but in case of someone marrying first cousin, the chances are a lot greater.

So what? The same can be said about society, a man may marry a woman from the same race, and because this race has a higher chance of getting similar problems [because they're both carriers] - then that can have the same affects.

And not just that, if they both know that their carriers - then they can simply check up with doctors to see if they are, and if that's the case - they don't need to get married.

I don't know how many I have to repeat this but in Sikhi, people need to be spiritually wise and once you are spiritually wise, you don't do anything wrong.

Well not much people are spiritually wise as you've stated many times in the thread. So that leaves the rest out to danger.

In what part of the world (country) are Muslims in humiliation state? In Iraq, Afghanistan or Palestine? None of this has to do with going against Islam, does it? Even in Russia, guess who helped them?

Have you actually studied history of Palestine? Or Pakistan? Or Bosnia, or Yemen etc?


Go to any muslim a few decades back and you'll see the nationalistic themes. Carrying the countries national flag instead of the flag of islaam. Fighting each other even though we're all brothers and sisters in faith.

Most people within them countries are ignorant about their faith. And among those who are knowledgable, only some enjoin the good and forbid the evil - which is a responsibility upon the muslims. If that stops, then you see evil becoming widespread, like we see in the world today.



Regards.

 

[cali dude]

I don't think there are any laws which forbid adultery, otherwise i'd see many people being locked up. Too bad that isn't the case. I studied law for abit, and a mother doesn't even have right over her son, so she can bring him up all her life, then when he wants to run away - he doesn't need to support her. So fair right?

Yes if a couple gets divorce, usually the partner committing adultery suffers more in divorce. Usually Americans for example, kick their kids out as soon as they becomes adults.

So what? The same can be said about society, a man may marry a woman from the same race, and because this race has a higher chance of getting similar problems [because they're both carriers] - then that can have the same affects.

And not just that, if they both know that their carriers - then they can simply check up with doctors to see if they are, and if that's the case - they don't need to get married.

I checked this out a few years ago. If I am not wrong, the chances of someone carrying genetic disease is far less if his/her parents are 6-7 generations apart from each other. Well that could be a reason why some groups among Sikhs don't even marry someone with same surname.

Have you actually studied history of Palestine? Or Pakistan? Or Bosnia, or Yemen etc?

Go to any muslim a few decades back and you'll see the nationalistic themes. Carrying the countries national flag instead of the flag of islaam. Fighting each other even though we're all brothers and sisters in faith.

Most people within them countries are ignorant about their faith. And among those who are knowledgable, only some enjoin the good and forbid the evil - which is a responsibility upon the muslims. If that stops, then you see evil becoming widespread, like we see in the world today.

I guess you really need to advise what state of humiliation you are referring to and how do you think it's related to going against Islam?

 

[- Qatada -]

Yes if a couple gets divorce, usually the partner committing adultery suffers more in divorce. Usually Americans for example, kick their kids out as soon as they becomes adults.

No, i think the mother usually has to lookafter the children, or sometimes the opposite way around. And the other ex-spouse gets to chillout with their new partners.

In islaam, the parents have compassion for their children and the children respect their parents. Allaah has honored that relationship. And it is a sin to sever the ties of family/kinship.

O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All*Watcher over you. [Qur'an 4:1]
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I checked this out a few years ago. If I am not wrong, the chances of someone carrying genetic disease is far less if his/her parents are 6-7 generations apart from each other. Well that could be a reason why some groups among Sikhs don't even marry someone with same surname.

Nowhere in islaam does it say it's compulsary to get married to a cousin. So if one doesn't prefer it, then they simply don't have to.

I guess you really need to advise what state of humiliation you are referring to and how do you think it's related to going against Islam?

Look at the state of the muslim world today, or just switch on CNN. And praise be to Allaah, now that the muslims are turning back to islaam - they are facing opposition, the same way the Prophets of God did, and in the end the victory is for the believers in this world and the hereafter. Whereas the disbelievers may be succesful for a while, but the real loss is to be thrown into the hellfire, rejected. We seek refuge in Allaah from that.

If you don't understand what i mean, refer to islamic history, especially the Crusaders at the time of Salah ud-Deen, the Tartar Mongols at the time of Ibn Taymiyya, the west today etc.



Regards.

 

[cali dude]

No, i think the mother usually has to lookafter the children, or sometimes the opposite way around. And the other ex-spouse gets to chillout with their new partners.

No whoever takes care of the kids usually gets the child support and in some cases even spousal alimony.

In islaam, the parents have compassion for their children and the children respect their parents. Allaah has honored that relationship. And it is a sin to sever the ties of family/kinship.

A lot of this has to do with the economy in the West. Now that economy is going down the drain, a lot of the people stay home until they are a lot older. Even when people live separately from their parents, most of them still keep ties with their families.

Nowhere in islaam does it say it's compulsary to get married to a cousin. So if one doesn't prefer it, then they simply don't have to.

But at the same time, Islam doesn't require you not to marry your first cousin. So apparently, Islam didn't think about genetic diseases that could be caused by someone having kids with someone so close. So yous statement that Islam brought civilization is wrong.

Look at the state of the muslim world today, or just switch on CNN. And praise be to Allaah, now that the muslims are turning back to islaam - they are facing opposition, the same way the Prophets of God did, and in the end the victory is for the believers in this world and the hereafter. Whereas the disbelievers may be succesful for a while, but the real loss is to be thrown into the hellfire, rejected. We seek refuge in Allaah from that.

If you don't understand what i mean, refer to islamic history, especially the Crusaders at the time of Salah ud-Deen, the Tartar Mongols at the time of Ibn Taymiyya, the west today etc.

Regards.

So who you think will win at the end? Bin Laden, Musharaf, The Iranian guy (whatever his name is), or some terrorist group in Iraq? When will the end be? There are Islamic groups fighting each other claiming that they are better Muslims than the others. Then how will Allah decide whose side He should take? The answer could be that whoever lives by His law. But who among these people do you think lives by his law?

I simply don't understand if you think the Westerners are the disbelievers, then why do you actually immigrate to the West and live in countries of the disbelievers?

 

[NoName55]

But who among these people do you think lives by his law?

Only Sikhs of the world?

if true then why do Khalsa suffer same as Muslims in India?

 

[- Qatada -]

No whoever takes care of the kids usually gets the child support and in some cases even spousal alimony.

Yes, but that still isn't sufficient. Imagine how heartbroken the person might be? Doesn't society care about the peoples emotions? Or is everything simply money?

Islaam respects family ties and we have limits praise be to Allaah, whereas there are hardly any limits in the societies we live in.

A lot of this has to do with the economy in the West. Now that economy is going down the drain, a lot of the people stay home until they are a lot older. Even when people live separately from their parents, most of them still keep ties with their families.

Even if it's to do with economy, or if it's to do with any matter - it still doesn't limit them. So they can run away etc. without keeping any contact with their families and they don't face any consequences. Even if these people kept them and brought them up with their wealth, time and what they had for X amount of years.

But at the same time, Islam doesn't require you not to marry your first cousin. So apparently, Islam didn't think about genetic diseases that could be caused by someone having kids with someone so close. So yous statement that Islam brought civilization is wrong.

Oh, so just because islaam never prohibited marriage - period, to cousins - it never brought any civilization whatsoever? Wow, that's surprising.


Did you know that sikhism never did nothing to the world because it never prohibited people getting married to others who have aids? (No offence to anyone who does.) [You see how dumb that sounds now?]

So who you think will win at the end? Bin Laden, Musharaf, The Iranian guy (whatever his name is), or some terrorist group in Iraq? When will the end be? There are Islamic groups fighting each other claiming that they are better Muslims than the others. Then how will Allah decide whose side He should take? The answer could be that whoever lives by His law. But who among these people do you think lives by his law?

The answers here:


The Messenger of Allaah said: "I counsel you to have Taqwaa of Allaah and to hear and obey, even if an Abyssinian slave were to command you. For, verily, whoever amongst you lives (to grown old), he will see many differences. So stick to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided khaleefahs. Cling tightly onto it and hold onto it with your molar teeth. And beware of newly invented matters. For, indeed, every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is a thing that leads astray, and everything that leads astray is in the Hellfire." 2


4. And he also said: "Indeed those from before you from the People of the Book divided into seventy-two groups. And, indeed, this group (Muslims) will divide into seventy-three. Seventy-two groups will be in the Hellfire and one of them will be in Paradise. And it is the Jamaa'ah (group)."3


And in another narration, he said: "Everyone of them in the Hellfire, except for one group that which I and my companions are upon."4

I simply don't understand if you think the Westerners are the disbelievers, then why do you actually immigrate to the West and live in countries of the disbelievers?

Who said i moved to the west? Was it you who immigrated or your parents?

 

[cali dude]

Only Sikhs of the world?

if true then why do Khalsa suffer same as Muslims in India?

Well actually I wasn't talking about Sikhs in my post. I was simply asking his opinion about who among those groups was a true follower.

But you bring up a good point to discuss.

Does the physical suffering really mean anything to someone who believes in truth?

I will not suffer until my soul suffers. If I am truthful, my soul will only suffer when I go against the truth.

So physical suffering doesn't mean much to those whose whose soul is intact. That's why I was him what he meant by suffering. Those who fight for truth will never suffer.