Dispatches - Lessons In Hate And Violence

Lost Identity said:
Has anyone seen the documentary?
What do you make of it..

Is it another attack on Islam

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it highlights the way islam is taught to our children when we are not looking(by some), if we are comfortable with that documentory (even if it does not show everything which occurs in those places.. im sure there are many different teachers) then it is an attack on islam.
 
I haven't watched it yet but it's on 4oD if anyones interested.
 
What do you think of the 'Brand' of Islam being taught? And the style in which the message is conveyed?
 
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I watched the documentary. It was not a bad documentary. I agree that children must not be beaten nor taught to mock other religions. These issues must be addressed.

What is a deobandi? Is it a sect? I've heard of this before.
 
Guestfellow said:
Oh not another one. What is this sect about? It was on the documentary.
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salaam

Its not a sect its a place in india where people were eduacted - the madrass is called darul uloom - they call themselves deobandi.

a lot of people from the sub continent follow them -

peace
 
Zafran said:
salaam

Its not a sect its a place in india where people were eduacted - the madrass is called darul uloom - they call themselves deobandi.

a lot of people from the sub continent follow them -

peace
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It is necessary to call themselves deobandi? Why not Muslim? You get the impression that is it a sect.

Deobandi

^ I did some research. It is nearly written the same as Islam QA :skeleton:
 
Guestfellow said:
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It is necessary to call themselves deobandi? Why not Muslim? You get the impression that is it a sect.

Deobandi

^ I did some research. It is nearly written the same as Islam QA :skeleton:
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Salaam

They do call themselves muslims - They only call themselves deobandi when they are asked where they educated from.

peace
 
Lost Identity said:
Yup its a sect..One im opposed to :)
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Asalaamu Alaikum, It seems as though you have a very incorrect understanding of what a sect is. Deobandi, Salafi, brelvee, Sufi etc are not different sects as they are all Sunni but they follow slightly different stances especially in regards to Fiqhi matters but are all still trying to follow Qur'an and Sunnah. The only major sects in Islam are two and they are Sunni which is the vast majority and Shia which are a small minority.

When you say you are "opposed to" them then you should not oppose any Muslim just because they have minor differences to the stance you may follow. That way you are only creating sectarianism and seperatism in Islam.

We all follow the same fundamentals but differ in trivial matters and those trivial matters should not be a reason to "oppose" any group of Muslims apart from those who are clearly out of the fold of Islam like Qadianis and Ismailis etc.

May Allah unite this ummah. Ameen
 
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Lost Identity said:
Has anyone seen the documentary?
What do you make of it..

Is it another attack on Islam

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How was it an attack on Islam?

It exposed some pretty unpleasant practices, which go on in some (probably very few!) madrassahs here is the UK. To pretend that those things didn't happen - in the face of video footage and personal witness accounts - would be foolish.
It would be by far better for people to speak out against those things as unIslamic and wrong - as indeed many people in the programme, Muslims and non-Muslims did.

Would you want to send your child to a school were it is taught Islam under the fear of punishment by the teacher?

Did you see the programme far enough to watch how Islam were taught in the other school? And how happy the children were there? And how eager to learn?

This was not an attack on Islam.
It was a criticism of certain practices, which go and and which need to be stamped out!

As one of the Councillors said, such practices wouldn't be allowed in Sunday schools or any other institution where children are taught.
 
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I missed it but im gona try and watch it tonight. I did see a short trailer.

glo said:
It exposed some pretty unpleasant practices, which go on in some (probably very few!) madrassahs here is the UK. To pretend that those things didn't happen - in the face of video footage and personal witness accounts - would be foolish. It would be by far better for people to speak out against those things as unIslamic and wrong - as indeed many people in the programme, Muslims and non-Muslims did.
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I for one am glad a programme like this was aired. I went to mosque where such practices were seen as the norm. It pushed me so far away from islam and many others 2. I saw things that will stay with me, and they werent nyc. People in the community should not cover up such disgusting things and think its ok. Its not. Its not ok to beat a child sensless. Where in islam does it say to beat a child whos under the age of 12 cos they fail to understand arabic ? or cant sit still for an hour ?? where ? there children for pity's sake. People who beat children are intellectually weak and cant relate to a child.

glo said:
Would you want to send your child to a school were it is taught Islam under the fear of punishment by the teacher?
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No I wouldnt. Been there done that. In fact I created a big fuss about my own sibling being sent to one, but allhamdulliah we managed to get some1 else to run a child friendly class in their home. children learn and are happy, thats what it should be like.

glo said:
Did you see the programme far enough to watch how Islam were taught in the other school? And how happy the children were there? And how eager to learn?
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If a child gets the crap beaten out of them then how they gona be happy ?? It makes the child resent religion. I did wen i went to that place. Religion should be taught in a peaceful manner, put a child in a safe happy environment and they'll be eager to learn.

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They didn't really have enough footage for a 1 hour doc to be honest. Most of it was repeated (and not all of it was as shocking as they were making it out to be).

That said, it was not an attack on Islam at all and it was actually quite well balanced in its portrayal. It didn't demonise Islam but it did highlight some very bad practices going on in certain madrassahs.
 
Theres something seriously wrong with these 'teachers' n more with the parents who keep sending their kids back to schools where children have to be physically abused to learn.
 
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Theres something seriously wrong with these 'teachers'
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I couldn't agree more. It makes me sick. I don't know how they expect the kids to enjoy learning and to appreciate the value of what they're being taught if they're sitting there brandishing fists or a big fat stick. Violence against children is despicable and cowardly.
 

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