Dispatches: Woman only Jihad. Channel 4

[Sum-Muslim-Gal]

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i personally think women should pray at home unless they are out and need some where to pray then fair enough..pray in a mosque..i've prayed in East London mosque..even though am not from London and they have allowed women to pray..i dont know the sitution there but here in Manchester women are allowed in mosques...hhmmhhh..it must be different in other places then!

Like bro fisab said its better talking good about islam and ignore petty things like that it will only fustrates u especially sisters...it just gives a bad image to islam..thats my personal opinion!

 

[Al-Hanbali]

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I definately agree sisters should be allowed in the masjid but the programme just disgraced muslims.

 

[Sum-Muslim-Gal]

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i havent really watched the programme but now a days its not always accurate..

 

[seeker_of_ilm]

Praise be to Allah.

There is no doubt that a woman’s prayer in her house is better for her than praying in the mosque, as is indicated by the Sunnah of the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him). He said: "Do not prevent your women from going to the mosque, even though their houses are better for them." (Reported by Abu Dawud in al-Sunan, Baab maa jaa’a fee khurooj al-nisaa’ ilaa’l-masjid: Baab al-tashdeed fee dhaalik. See also Saheeh al-Jaami‘, no. 7458).

Whenever a woman prays in a place that is more private and more hidden, that is better for her, as the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "A woman’s prayer in her house is better than her prayer in her courtyard, and her prayer in her bedroom is better than her prayer in her house." (Reported by Abu Dawud in al-Sunan, Baab maa jaa’a fee khurooj al-nisaa’ ilaa’l-masjid. See also Saheeh al-Jaami‘, no. 3833).

Umm Humayd, the wife of Abu Humayd al-Saa‘idi reported that she came to the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) and said: "O Messenger of Allaah, I love to pray with you." He said: "I know that you love to pray with me, but praying in your house is better for you than praying in your courtyard, and praying in your courtyard is better for you than praying in the mosque of your people, and praying in the mosque of your people is better for you than praying in my mosque." So she ordered that a prayer-place be built for her in the furthest and darkest part of her house, and she always prayed there until she met Allaah (i.e., until she died). (Reported by Imaam Ahmad; the men of its isnaad are thiqaat (trustworthy)).

But the fact that praying at home is preferable does not mean that that women are not permitted to go to the mosque, as is clear from the following hadeeth:
From ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar, who said: "I heard the Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace be upon him) say: ‘Do not prevent your women from going to the mosque if they ask your permission.’" Bilaal ibn ‘Abdullah said, "By Allaah, we will prevent them." (Ibn ‘Umar) turned to him and told him off in an unprecedented fashion, saying: "I tell you what the Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said, and you say ‘By Allaah, we will prevent them’!!" (reported by Muslim, 667).

But there are conditions attached to the permission for women to go to the mosque, as follows:
(1) She should wear complete hijaab.
(2) She should not go out wearing perfume.
(3) She should have the permission of her husband.

Her going out should not involve any other kind of prohibited acts, such as being alone in a car with a non-mahram driver. If a woman does something wrong like that, her husband or guardian has the right to stop her; in fact it is his duty to do so. And Allaah knows best.

And

Question:
What is the Islamic View in having a divider in the Masjid between the men and the women sections?

Answer:

Al-hamdu lillaah.

There is no problem with having a divider as long as the women are standing behind the men and as long as the women can follow the imam easily.

 

[Kittygyal]

Assamualikum warahmathullahi warbarakathuhu

right right i have got some good news now the Ukthi called "Halimah Hussain" is my friend whom helped me alot to revert mashallah!
she lives in London with a brother called Jamal, && subhanallah she went to Saudi to do Aalimah course && subhanallah her arabic is beautiful, her mam was a Hindu && reverted to a muslim mashallah!

she even called me && told me to watch the programme at 8clock && i watched it but the funniest thing was that the recorder didn't know how to record :lol: i told Halimah that && she was like i didn't even know what was going on but subhanallah, her advise is mashallah just lost for words now but May Allah subhanawatallah reward her for teaching me whats right && showing me the path! (A3min)

walikumassalam warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

 

[Kittygyal]

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Huh? Angry? There are many mosque were women arent let in, so whats so bad about watching some brave sisters stand up for what they believe in?

assalmaualikum warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu
i agree with you because some of them men in that programme were being so selfish i mean telling them to go home && then slamming the door on there face if i was there i'll break there legs :hiding: NOT but i felt sowiee at that moement of time && angry because why did the men be so deformed && arrogant to there sisters in Islam! why?! some of them men need to act there age && pull there act together!

it's NOT there mosque && also prophet Muhmammed (P.B.U.H.) prayed with his wife, Daughter && also in a mixed mosque i don't understand why the allow that in (Saudi) && not in UK!! ffended:

also am sure there is one in Uk i think it's masjid Hanfia or Abu-Bakr am not 100% sure but i know there is one in UK that men && women pray!, if men are allowed to pray with a Iman why can't women whats bad about that!

walikumassalam warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

 

[Ghazi]

it's NOT there mosque && also prophet Muhmammed (P.B.U.H.) prayed with his wife, Daughter && also in a mixed mosque i don't understand why the allow that in (Saudi) && not in UK!!

also am sure there is one in Uk i think it's masjid Hanfia or Abu-Bakr am not 100% sure but i know there is one in UK that men && women pray!, if men are allowed to pray with a Iman why can't women whats bad about that!

Men and Women don't prey together in the Haramain they pray in the same masjid but diffrent areas are located for the two genders.

 

[Al-Hanbali]

There are many mosques in the UK which allow the sisters to attend the prayer but they ahve different sections usually

 

[Kittygyal]

Men and Women don't prey together in the Haramain they pray in the same masjid but diffrent areas are located for the two genders.

Assalmualikum warhmathullahi warabarakathuhu

well Akhi in Saudi they men pray at front && women pray at back don't they or do they pary in didfferent sections?!

anyway it still doesn't matter if they read back or farward the thing that matters is why did the men "old" && "young" men argue with the sisters i mean first the said "go home" then they slam the door on there face so the sisters had to pray on the pavement!! && then when they complained sveral times they give them an unclean room Ya Allah!! wich smell like poo! well thats what my friend told me when i called her yesaday "Halimah" she told me it stunck like mad! how can they do that! then they said to the sisters you should cover your faces" whats there problems if they should or not! i mean first of all they should be more considerate && be more respectful && talk in a calm manner not yelling outside on raod && then slamming the door what ingnorant men! ffended:

walikumassalm warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

 

[Rou]

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Huh? Angry? There are many mosque were women arent let in, so whats so bad about watching some brave sisters stand up for what they believe in?

Indeed and i agree what a shame that beleivers are kept outside the mosque wether men or women indeed ignorance..

but the program does not help islam it in the eyes of the west just proves to them what the beleive that muslims are barbaric and that is not true the mosque leaders in blackburn vote fools like jack straw and keep him there what will they care for our sisters...

there media footage shames islam not just them muslims for months have been angry about there acts against sisters in islam but the program helps not islam it shows us in a bad light by concentrating on these ignorants fools...

 

[Rou]

Where does it state that women shoul not pray with men in the prophets time we all prayed together!??

otherwise what right does a mere man have to keep any beleiver out of the house of allah...?

 

[Kittygyal]

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Indeed and i agree what a shame that beleivers are kept outside the mosque wether men or women indeed ignorance..

but the program does not help islam it in the eyes of the west just proves to them what the beleive that muslims are barbaric and that is not true the mosque leaders in blackburn vote fools like jack straw and keep him there what will they care for our sisters...

there media footage shames islam not just them muslims for months have been angry about there acts against sisters in islam but the program helps not islam it shows us in a bad light by concentrating on these ignorants fools...

Assalmualikum warhmathullahi warabarakathuhu

well in away Akhi when i called my friend "Halimah" yestoday she was taking part in the argument she told me that the whole point of that video was to show people what happens when men disagree with things she goes with all that Nikab thing that occured now look over reading salah in a mosque what a big inncident happened she even told me at the end of the day the film was messed up there a reson behind it aswel which we wanted our brothers, sisters, elderly to understand how little things cause such a big issue!

walikumassalm warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

 

[Rou]

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Assalmualikum warhmathullahi warabarakathuhu

well in away Akhi when i called my friend "Halimah" yestoday she was taking part in the argument she told me that the whole point of that video was to show people what happens when men disagree with things she goes with all that Nikab thing that occured now look over reading salah in a mosque what a big inncident happened she even told me at the end of the day the film was messed up there a reson behind it aswel which we wanted our brothers, sisters, elderly to understand how little things cause such a big issue!

walikumassalm warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

Sorry i dont understand do you mean that the film was made to show how the media blows up arguments between men and women when its to do with muslims?

 

[Kittygyal]

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Sorry i dont understand do you mean that the film was made to show how the media blows up arguments between men and women when its to do with muslims?

Assalmualikum warhmathullahi warabarakathuhu

La'ah am trying to say that little things just make such a big deal i mean should we as muslims give room for others && not be selfish when it some to salah?! because the first thing that we will be questioned on is salah! so why can't women exactly pray in a mosque i mean okay there going to be Mollies whom don't want to see women but what are they going to do in Janah?! i know there not goign to look at them because there will be beautiful things there but at the end of the day that programme was all to get the message across people that this is how people treat there muslim sisters && even if they didn't want the sisters to pray in the mosque the best thing would be sit down && talk in a well-mannered way not yell across the road && then slam the door YA ALLAH!

walikumassalm warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

 

[Rou]

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Assalmualikum warhmathullahi warabarakathuhu

La'ah am trying to say that little things just make such a big deal i mean should we as muslims give room for others && not be selfish when it some to salah?! because the first thing that we will be questioned on is salah! so why can't women exactly pray in a mosque i mean okay there going to be Mollies whom don't want to see women but what are they going to do in Janah?! i know there not goign to look at them because there will be beautiful things there but at the end of the day that programme was all to get the message across people that this is how people treat there muslim sisters && even if they didn't want the sisters to pray in the mosque the best thing would be sit down && talk in a well-mannered way not yell across the road && then slam the door YA ALLAH!

walikumassalm warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

No indeed i agree there actions were pathetic and unislamic as stated any beleiver has a right in a mosque no matter a woman or man but im reffering to the program and its timing at the moment with all this niqab issue an terrorist issues we dont need any more bad light and this issue is understood by many that its not all muslim men but majority watching need but an excuse to feel more hate and this was just ahelpful hand at that ...

showing almost as if all muslim men are like this!?? when it is not the case...

and that bad light does not help islam nor sisters nor brothers...

those brothers who act in such sick ways should wake up and realise what the quran has said that mens strength is not there to oppress women it is there to protect them we are equal in the eyes of allah...

 

[bint_muhammed]

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I would like to point out I think Masjids should provide space for Muslim woman to use. I think in this day and age our sisters should hold circles etc as it Insha'Allah will help strengthen their Iman, Taqwa, Knowledge etc. They are the centre of the family and through them many other families will unite Insh'Allah.

The Masjids in my area allow woman to enter, Even on FRIDAY! :uuh: I mean there is no space in the Mosque for all the brothers to pray, and they let the sisters in :uuh:which I am against BUT the food they bring is laying: and the Iftar food was laying:laying:laying:

Sisters do not have to pray in the mosque, I think its better for them to pray at home but at the same they should have their space in the Mosque to do other Islamic activities Insha'Allah

This documentary has done nothing but added a bullet to the guns of the enemies of Islam, the title "Woman only Jihad" uuh just says it all for me . You don't go to non-muslims with problems of the ummah and expect them to fix it, after we consider ourselves to be of the rightly guided don't we? Honestly in what way does showing disunity amongst the Ummah and arguments amongst muslims help the non-muslims perspective of Islam? Without a shadow of a doubt more bad then good has been done by this documentary... how the enemies of Islam must be drowning in their own laughter right now...

couldnt agree with you more! i dont understand why they didint just send a letter to the head of mosque stating their opinions and then if they refuse then take action, hoever gatecrashing a mosque on friday i think was out of order and then praying on the street? what was that about!!!!!!!!!!:grumbling i agree women should be allowed in mosques, as it will strengthen the community, but better ways of approaching the matter would have been better. also threre are mosques which women are allowed why not attend there?

 

[ubaid]

salam kittygyal, i am going to be blunt with what i saw in the documentary, the women were not acting as women should, i mean how would you feel if a whole load of brothers stood outside a womens side of the mosque(yes! thats right, "SHOCK "HORRO", there are mosques which let women in, its just for some reason MPAC didnt choose to show these as it didnt help their political cause!!)..

so back to my point
How would you like it if a group of brothers gathered outside a womens congregation and started hassling them, and making them feel uncomfortable, and worse still bringing a national camera crew with them!! how would you feel, would you welcome them with open arms!!! if i was to meet you in the street and i started shouting at you, would you reply nicely and calmly or would you react in a way that i first approached you?

Also another thing, when that guy from MCB gave them advice on how to sort the problem they had out e.g. speaking to the comittee members wives, they said "Oh why should we speak to them!! we should be able to speak to the comittee directly" do these sisters not understand the concept of modesty, i for one would feel uncomfortable if a whole load of complete strangers came from the other side of britain and started demanding things(and worst still muslim sisters!!) The guy from MCB clearly tried to help them out but NO, it just wasnt enough, because that is the problem with MPAC(they want too much, too soon). Let me ask you a question, ok, so they wanted access to the mosque at Jumma prayers and the comittee members did not allow it, would it not be suitable for them to ask a person that would have influence over the comittee members?? yes you say, they asked MCB, but MCB do not have any kind of jurisdiction over every mosque in this country, so would it not have been better to approach their wives?? or would that not make good TV??

i for one dont see a problem, women are allowed in the mosque, where there are SUITABLE environment for sisters, not just at the back, where every MALE mosque gooer can easily fall under the influence of the shaitaan and take a second look at the sisters, the women in a mosque should be COMPLETELY segregated from the males and if there is no complete segregation then im sorry, but women should not be allowed in that particular mosque for their OWN benefit(to protect their modesty)

I would like to congratulate those sisters as i hope they are enjoying their 15minutes of fame on a completely unfounded and baseless arguement that will further worsen the crisis the muslims are in at this moment, and also congratulations to MPAC, you are now on the map!!

 

[Isma'el]

well said "ubaid"

 

[ameen]

salam,

the mosque is no man's territory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb8shFIkx78&NR
 

 

[vpb]

ladies and gentelmen 200 points go for anti-islam movementttttttt.
and this is because in this situtation muslim are doing some things which is shame (the complete meaning of the word), shame , because we are the ones who should be the best example for equality, and here we comes with some issues that are going to give points to those who fight against Islam and why shouldn't women be allowed to enter Mosque? we know that women are prefered to pray home, but how can they forbid women entering mosque? what is the base of this ? subhanallah, I dont know how we are surviving when we are sepereated and having this issues which are not supposed to exist, verily Allah helps Islam, cuz without Allah subhanau we teala the term Islam/Muslim would not exist anymore for what things we are doing.