Dispatches: Woman only Jihad. Channel 4

[ameen]

salam,

..the women in a mosque should be COMPLETELY segregated from the males and if there is no complete segregation then im sorry, but women should not be allowed in that particular mosque for their OWN benefit(to protect their modesty)

No it is not for their 'own benefit'. It is only because of your own benefit, and your inability to control your gaze and lusts.

You yourself have actually admitted that you easily fall under the influence of shaitan - so clearly all you are thinking about is your own benefit:

not just at the back, where every MALE mosque gooer can easily fall under the influence of the shaitaan and take a second look at the sisters

wsalam

 

[strider]

Assalamu alaikum

I support the movement in taking culture out of religion that says the womans place is only in the home tied to the kitchen sink. SubhanAllah, organisations like MPAC are taking an active role in bringing about change (Imams should be people who the youth can also relate to not someone shipped over from Asian Sub-Continent and the voice of the Muslim woman should be acknowledged more than it is in some societies) BUT astagfirrulah, shouting on the streets with no Adaab at all? In short, i thought that was really distasteful.

Yes, this debate does need to take place but with respect. There is little need for people to start acting like toddlers deprived of sweets.

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

im not even going to bother readin all the posts cuz dey like essayz!!!

anyhoo, what i fink

da sisters wer goin over da top.. this programme was useless, didnt hav any benefit 4rm it, der woz NO point at all showin it on tv, if u hav dese issues discuss it in private.. da sisters shudnt hav been goin 2 mosque like dat knockin on da door arguin wid men! also screamin at them :-\ its the mosques choice to alow da women or not, yeh its a nice experience 2 hav 2 pray at da mosque, but evn in ma town, women arent allowed 2 go 2 mosque, because of lack of space and also because its a greater reward 4 women 2 pray at home.. i agree wid dem 2 some extent but dey shudnt have done that, especially givin a bad image of muslim men..

womans place is only in the home tied to the kitchen sink

hellll nooo, no way mannnn! nw datz wot il argue 4, datz wotz worth arguin 4!

 

[Kittygyal]

salam kittygyal, i am going to be blunt with what i saw in the documentary, the women were not acting as women should, i mean how would you feel if a whole load of brothers stood outside a womens side of the mosque(yes! thats right, "SHOCK "HORRO", there are mosques which let women in, its just for some reason MPAC didnt choose to show these as it didnt help their political cause!!)..

so back to my point
How would you like it if a group of brothers gathered outside a womens congregation and started hassling them, and making them feel uncomfortable, and worse still bringing a national camera crew with them!! how would you feel, would you welcome them with open arms!!! if i was to meet you in the street and i started shouting at you, would you reply nicely and calmly or would you react in a way that i first approached you?

Also another thing, when that guy from MCB gave them advice on how to sort the problem they had out e.g. speaking to the comittee members wives, they said "Oh why should we speak to them!! we should be able to speak to the comittee directly" do these sisters not understand the concept of modesty, i for one would feel uncomfortable if a whole load of complete strangers came from the other side of britain and started demanding things(and worst still muslim sisters!!) The guy from MCB clearly tried to help them out but NO, it just wasnt enough, because that is the problem with MPAC(they want too much, too soon). Let me ask you a question, ok, so they wanted access to the mosque at Jumma prayers and the comittee members did not allow it, would it not be suitable for them to ask a person that would have influence over the comittee members?? yes you say, they asked MCB, but MCB do not have any kind of jurisdiction over every mosque in this country, so would it not have been better to approach their wives?? or would that not make good TV??

i for one dont see a problem, women are allowed in the mosque, where there are SUITABLE environment for sisters, not just at the back, where every MALE mosque gooer can easily fall under the influence of the shaitaan and take a second look at the sisters, the women in a mosque should be COMPLETELY segregated from the males and if there is no complete segregation then im sorry, but women should not be allowed in that particular mosque for their OWN benefit(to protect their modesty)

I would like to congratulate those sisters as i hope they are enjoying their 15minutes of fame on a completely unfounded and baseless arguement that will further worsen the crisis the muslims are in at this moment, and also congratulations to MPAC, you are now on the map!!

salam.
don't start on me Akhi! but i wana say no one can chuck women out of a mosque at all!!! ffended: && also first you could have seen what the men actullay said to the sisters !!
i disagree with you whatever you said!
w.salam

 

[Kittygyal]

im not even going to bother readin all the posts cuz dey like essayz!!!

anyhoo, what i fink

da sisters wer goin over da top.. this programme was useless, didnt hav any benefit 4rm it, der woz NO point at all showin it on tv, if u hav dese issues discuss it in private.. da sisters shudnt hav been goin 2 mosque like dat knockin on da door arguin wid men! also screamin at them :-\ its the mosques choice to alow da women or not, yeh its a nice experience 2 hav 2 pray at da mosque, but evn in ma town, women arent allowed 2 go 2 mosque, because of lack of space and also because its a greater reward 4 women 2 pray at home.. i agree wid dem 2 some extent but dey shudnt have done that, especially givin a bad image of muslim men..



hellll nooo, no way mannnn! nw datz wot il argue 4, datz wotz worth arguin 4!

salam.
if you watched it carefully you would have got the moral behind the video
there was a point Ukthi because these brothers treated the sisters like poo! why?! because they didn't want them to pray in a mosque so they slam the door! && then provided them a very dirty room! YA ALLAH! this is Jihad after all thats the point of the video!
w,salam

 

[Kittygyal]

salam,



No it is not for their 'own benefit'. It is only because of your own benefit, and your inability to control your gaze and lusts.

You yourself have actually admitted that you easily fall under the influence of shaitan - so clearly all you are thinking about is your own benefit:



wsalam

salam.,
subhanallah! someone understands ! well doen Akhi
w.salam

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

no1 can chuck a sister out da mosque! but datz a diferent issue isnt it? like i sed its a gr8 experience 4 sisters, but if the mosque in the area dont allow it what can u do?

 

[Kittygyal]

no1 can chuck a sister out da mosque! but datz a diferent issue isnt it? like i sed its a gr8 experience 4 sisters, but if the mosque in the area dont allow it what can u do?

salam.
well Ukthi thats what the mens did they chucked them out slamm the door told them to go home, && then give them a very dirty room to pray! && argued like mad just because of praying whats next! YA ALLAH! imsad ffended:

the sisters did this for a point && there mosque didn't allow women to go inside thats why they went to talk to the Imam but unfortunately the Imam told them to go home && slamm the door! ffended:
w.salam

 

[InToTheRain]

Did any of you guys see the documentary :? I got a lot of negative feedback regarding it by those that saw it down my endz...

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

he shudnt hav done dat but den again dey shudnt hav been shoutin, it woz quite disgraceful :-\ muslim women shoutin in da streets! couldnt dey ask a brother to ask, or talk to the imam peacefully rather than scream at him? the imam made it clear why he didnt want sisters in the mosques.

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

Did any of you guys see the documentary :? I got a lot of negative feedback regarding it by those that saw it down my endz...

yeah mst of us saw it..negative feedback such as..?

 

[ameen]

such as most of this thread..?

wsalam

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

nah i was thinkin what woz da people sayn dwn hiz endz init? :?

 

[Kittygyal]

he shudnt hav done dat but den again dey shudnt hav been shoutin, it woz quite disgraceful :-\ muslim women shoutin in da streets! couldnt dey ask a brother to ask, or talk to the imam peacefully rather than scream at him? the imam made it clear why he didnt want sisters in the mosques.

salam.
Ukthi they did ask for an Imam && they said "they want to pray here" && the Imam said go home i mean why did he say that! he was the ine whom was disrespectful to the sisters because the mens were shouting && then the gyals raised there voice the sisters didn't start it all they asked was to pray in the mosque && then the men slammed the door && so go home! i mean look how they treat there muslim sisters!
&& by the way the Imam did NOT make it clear at all! all he was doing was telling them to go home so then they HAD to pray on the pavement! why?! because of them silly men!
w,salam

 

[InToTheRain]

yeah mst of us saw it..negative feedback such as..?

I ain't saw it...but heard sisters where grouped outside mosque exit waiting for man to come out of the mosque, and then started shouting at them...adhab was non-existent from what I heard, may Allah(SWT) guide those sisters.

I also heard there was a sister who wore the Hijab inside the mosque and took it off when she came outside :uuh:

 

[Kittygyal]

I ain't saw it...but heard sisters where grouped outside mosque exit waiting for man to come out of the mosque, and then started shouting at them...adhab was non-existent from what I heard, may Allah(SWT) guide those sisters.

I also heard there was a sister who wore the Hijab inside the mosque and took it off when she came outside :uuh:

salam.
she was the presenter whom was an Indian lady Akhi! NOPE where the hell did you hear that from Akhi:? nope that is all wrong they were NOT waiting for the men YA ALLAH! your trying to say MY friend was waiting for the men to come outside && then shout at them NOPE! :heated: they went into the mosque well not right insied but they asked for the Imam && asked the Imam if they could pray here but he slammed the door && said go home what a disrespectful man he can get! YA ALLAH! ffended:
w.salam

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

yeh dat woz da presenter.. shes weird anyway..
aite fair ennough, some people who are older have that backward way of thinkin.. like some 4rm my family :-\ but i dont see the harm in praying at home! isnt it better? ur getin more rewards, and u dnt even have 2 move! if da imam said no, den dats up2 him and the brothers who are in da leadership.. no women should be stopped 2 go 2 da mosque, but if they r stopped, what cn u do?

 

[Kittygyal]

yeh dat woz da presenter.. shes weird anyway..
aite fair ennough, some people who are older have that backward way of thinkin.. like some 4rm my family :-\ but i dont see the harm in praying at home! isnt it better? ur getin more rewards, and u dnt even have 2 move! if da imam said no, den dats up2 him and the brothers who are in da leadership.. no women should be stopped 2 go 2 da mosque, but if they r stopped, what cn u do?

salam.
the presenter was NOT weird she was an Hindu anyway we can't just call anyone weird out of blue there should be a reason why you call her "weird"!
Ukthi i just wana correct you waht do you mean "and u dnt even have 2 move!" in Salah you HAVE to move like actions :rollseyes && also about getting rewards at home more NO that is tottally wrong because you get more rewards in a mosque aswel NOT only for home! && what can you do well basically like what the sisters did they strived for Jihad so thats what we should do! they experienced it && now they understand how they been treated by muslim elderly brothers!
w.salam

 

[InToTheRain]

salam.
she was the presenter whom was an Indian lady Akhi! NOPE where the hell did you hear that from Akhi:? nope that is all wrong they were NOT waiting for the men YA ALLAH! your trying to say MY friend was waiting for the men to come outside && then shout at them NOPE! :heated: they went into the mosque well not right insied but they asked for the Imam && asked the Imam if they could pray here but he slammed the door && said go home what a disrespectful man he can get! YA ALLAH! ffended:
w.salam

LOL, ye my source was unreliable i guess...got to see it my self. Just for the record I agree that Sisters should have a space for themselves in the mosque, read my 1st post on this thread Insha'Allah, and most people is not all the people in this forum would agree with this. The method used to get access to a mosque in this case was not right is the general feedback. Remember. I think about 60% of the mosque in London have woman mosque space. surely its not as bad as some make it out to be, init :?

 

[Muhammad]

It was mentioned earlier that while it is better for women to pray at home, they are allowed to go to the Mosque provided certain conditions are met. I think what is more important in the case of this documentary, as many have already mentioned, is the manner in which the issue was handled. If it is better for women to pray at home, and the local Mosque does not have space for women to pray there, was there a need to make a public outcry that not only angered the local community but also damaged the reputation of Muslims at large? I think that the issue should have been sorted out in an Islamic manner between the parties concerned, as opposed to broadcasting it for millions of people to see as though Islam does not provide the answer already.

As for complaining that these sisters were "abused" or that the door was "slammed" in their face, it isn't really surprising considering what they were doing in the first place. Most of us are probably commenting on this from watching a TV programme, and we all know too well how accurately the media often portray Muslims, so before being overcome by our emotions, I think it is important to first ascertain the facts and look at what Islam actually says.

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