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understood.thanks Glo...!
Do christians worship God (not Jesus)?
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Honestly brother, I have a hard time following your walls of text. Could you make it more concise?
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They are not idols.
We don't know what they looked like, nor do we pretend that these pictures are really what they looked like. They are merely an artists representation of an idea that they happen to have in their own mind.
Why can't you?
[quote[Christian believe they pray to God....but why they must still put the idols,painting,or sculptures in the church[/quote] It is not something they must do. It is something they want to do.
Who says? Now you are trying to dictate to us how we are to practice our faith? God never said any of these things to us and we are not going to listen to your instructions for neither you nor Muhammad is our prophet.
I believe that most Christians you will find have a desire to submit their lives to God, those who don't aren't truly Christian. But what God has asked us to do is different than what you believe God has asked you to do. So of course our behaviors are different than yours. It doesn't mean that we are not submitting to God, but that God has spoken different to us than to you. If you suggest that God would not speak differently to different people, then there is no need for additional prophets, just the message from the earlier ones. If you accept that God could speak differently to different people, then those who are listening to "prophet" Jesus (your term, certianly not mine) are under his authority and not Muhammad. If you still think we are in error, well isn't that our problem, because we happen to think you are.
Why should we? People speak the language they are born speaking? God's word can be translated for the benefit of people, it is not necessary for people to learn to speak the languages that it was originally written in. Of course it is helpful for those who want to study it most closely to be able to speak and read in those original languages, but for the majority of people it is good enough to read it in English or Spanish or Chinese -- it makes no difference.
BTW, there is no language called Roman. The Romans spoke Latin, and the Roman Catholic Church did use Latin for a long time, but the Bible wasn't ever written in Latin (Roman) so I don't know why you suggested it.
For the same reason that you will find interpretations of the Qur'an in English.
Yes, on my bookshelf.
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... and one by the side of my bed, one downloaded on the computer, and one in my bag which I take with me wherever I go ...
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very well you have a real strong anwsered...i agreed with you...! about what u had told...Grace Seeker bro...! i just as a commentator to give my opinions to the forum:God had sent about 20,000 thousand prophets to the israelites.Neither Jews nor Christian obey their prophets. zechariah(zakariya)the jews had call him Liar prophet who be his follower will die...and the the Jews always fight with their opponent as enemy.Mary is purest women salute for her holiness,she still virgin but bear child,the jews mocking on her for her bad attitude that she bear a child without a husband..."she said, how shall i have a son,seeing that no man has touched me,and I am not unchaste". but at last the the angel sent the words to Mary that she bear a child...she need to leave Jerusalem to Bathelehem.She walks alone to Bathelehem...and born a child beneath the "palm tree" and a baby was come, called Jesus..there came a messiah.He will be the prophet of Israel welcome the Jesus....! why the Jews mocking mary cause she been unclean,that she have zinaa with man..and born a child...for a power of God.."Said it will be,it will be....and the creation of God held in the world.We must believe God Create his creation full of miracle...Even a man can turn to be a stone, or a man can turn into salt stone..! and etc...nothing is stronger Than God...!" Kun Fayakun"... i saw a fish body have stated "Allah" on the body and i saw a cat also stated "Allah" on the fur...our hand also stated 99 beauty name of Allah,why our finger have short and long...cause Allah name is revealed on our palm!... ! the ahzab are near for rejects faith and for who "Taqwa" to Allah will have a glad tiding from God...so u wanna accept or not...is your will..! but i gonna tell you...i have a friend who are a christian priest convert to muslim...!hope Allah will guide him!....insyaallah!
" LAkum dinukum waaliya din".
Suffiyan.
" LAkum dinukum waaliya din".
Suffiyan.
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THEY REJECT THE PROPHET.
"We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with succession of messenger; We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit.It is whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not,ye are puffed up with pride?- some ye calle impostors, and others ye slay! "Our hearts are wrappings (which preserve God's Word:we need no more)". Nay, God's curse is on them for their blasphemy: little is it they believe. And when there comes to them a Book fro God,comfirming what is with them,-although from of old they had prayed for victory against without faith-when there comes to them that which they should have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of God is on those without faith.Miserable is the price for which they have sold their souls,in that they deny the revelation which God has sent down, in insolent envy that God of His Grace should send it to any of His servants He pleases:thus have they drawn on themselves Wrath upon Wrath. And humiliating is the punishment of those who reject faith. When it is said to them,"Believe in what God hath sent down" they say,"We believe in what was sent down to us": Yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them.Say"why then have ye slain the prophets of God in times gone by,if ye did indeed believe?'There came to you Moses with clear Signs;yet ye worshipped the Calf(even) after that, and ye did behave wrongfully and remember We took your convenant and we raised above you(the towering height)of Mount Sinai, saying: Hold firmly to what We have given you and hearken to the Law": they said: "We hear,we disobey." and they had to drink into their hearts of the taint of the Calf because of their faithlessness.Say:"Vile indeed are the behests of your faith if ye have any faith!". Say: " If the last Home, with God, be for you specially, and not for anyone else, then ye for death, if ye are sincere.But they will never seek for death, on account of the (Sins) which their hands have sent on before them,and God is well- acquainted with the wrong-doers.Thou wilt indeed find them,of all people,most greedy of life,- even more than the idolaters: each one of them wishes he could be given a life of a thousand years: but the grant of such life will not save him from(due) punishment.For God sees well al that they do.
"We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with succession of messenger; We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit.It is whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not,ye are puffed up with pride?- some ye calle impostors, and others ye slay! "Our hearts are wrappings (which preserve God's Word:we need no more)". Nay, God's curse is on them for their blasphemy: little is it they believe. And when there comes to them a Book fro God,comfirming what is with them,-although from of old they had prayed for victory against without faith-when there comes to them that which they should have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of God is on those without faith.Miserable is the price for which they have sold their souls,in that they deny the revelation which God has sent down, in insolent envy that God of His Grace should send it to any of His servants He pleases:thus have they drawn on themselves Wrath upon Wrath. And humiliating is the punishment of those who reject faith. When it is said to them,"Believe in what God hath sent down" they say,"We believe in what was sent down to us": Yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them.Say"why then have ye slain the prophets of God in times gone by,if ye did indeed believe?'There came to you Moses with clear Signs;yet ye worshipped the Calf(even) after that, and ye did behave wrongfully and remember We took your convenant and we raised above you(the towering height)of Mount Sinai, saying: Hold firmly to what We have given you and hearken to the Law": they said: "We hear,we disobey." and they had to drink into their hearts of the taint of the Calf because of their faithlessness.Say:"Vile indeed are the behests of your faith if ye have any faith!". Say: " If the last Home, with God, be for you specially, and not for anyone else, then ye for death, if ye are sincere.But they will never seek for death, on account of the (Sins) which their hands have sent on before them,and God is well- acquainted with the wrong-doers.Thou wilt indeed find them,of all people,most greedy of life,- even more than the idolaters: each one of them wishes he could be given a life of a thousand years: but the grant of such life will not save him from(due) punishment.For God sees well al that they do.
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THEY REJECT THE PROPHET.
"We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with succession of messenger; We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit.It is whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not,ye are puffed up with pride?- some ye calle impostors, and others ye slay! "Our hearts are wrappings (which preserve God's Word:we need no more)". Nay, God's curse is on them for their blasphemy: little is it they believe. And when there comes to them a Book fro God,comfirming what is with them,-although from of old they had prayed for victory against without faith-when there comes to them that which they should have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of God is on those without faith.Miserable is the price for which they have sold their souls,in that they deny the revelation which God has sent down, in insolent envy that God of His Grace should send it to any of His servants He pleases:thus have they drawn on themselves Wrath upon Wrath. And humiliating is the punishment of those who reject faith. When it is said to them,"Believe in what God hath sent down" they say,"We believe in what was sent down to us": Yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them.Say"why then have ye slain the prophets of God in times gone by,if ye did indeed believe?'There came to you Moses with clear Signs;yet ye worshipped the Calf(even) after that, and ye did behave wrongfully and remember We took your convenant and we raised above you(the towering height)of Mount Sinai, saying: Hold firmly to what We have given you and hearken to the Law": they said: "We hear,we disobey." and they had to drink into their hearts of the taint of the Calf because of their faithlessness.Say:"Vile indeed are the behests of your faith if ye have any faith!". Say: " If the last Home, with God, be for you specially, and not for anyone else, then ye for death, if ye are sincere.But they will never seek for death, on account of the (Sins) which their hands have sent on before them,and God is well- acquainted with the wrong-doers.Thou wilt indeed find them,of all people,most greedy of life,- even more than the idolaters: each one of them wishes he could be given a life of a thousand years: but the grant of such life will not save him from(due) punishment.For God sees well al that they do.(Al-baqarah 87-96)
"We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with succession of messenger; We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit.It is whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not,ye are puffed up with pride?- some ye calle impostors, and others ye slay! "Our hearts are wrappings (which preserve God's Word:we need no more)". Nay, God's curse is on them for their blasphemy: little is it they believe. And when there comes to them a Book fro God,comfirming what is with them,-although from of old they had prayed for victory against without faith-when there comes to them that which they should have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of God is on those without faith.Miserable is the price for which they have sold their souls,in that they deny the revelation which God has sent down, in insolent envy that God of His Grace should send it to any of His servants He pleases:thus have they drawn on themselves Wrath upon Wrath. And humiliating is the punishment of those who reject faith. When it is said to them,"Believe in what God hath sent down" they say,"We believe in what was sent down to us": Yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them.Say"why then have ye slain the prophets of God in times gone by,if ye did indeed believe?'There came to you Moses with clear Signs;yet ye worshipped the Calf(even) after that, and ye did behave wrongfully and remember We took your convenant and we raised above you(the towering height)of Mount Sinai, saying: Hold firmly to what We have given you and hearken to the Law": they said: "We hear,we disobey." and they had to drink into their hearts of the taint of the Calf because of their faithlessness.Say:"Vile indeed are the behests of your faith if ye have any faith!". Say: " If the last Home, with God, be for you specially, and not for anyone else, then ye for death, if ye are sincere.But they will never seek for death, on account of the (Sins) which their hands have sent on before them,and God is well- acquainted with the wrong-doers.Thou wilt indeed find them,of all people,most greedy of life,- even more than the idolaters: each one of them wishes he could be given a life of a thousand years: but the grant of such life will not save him from(due) punishment.For God sees well al that they do.(Al-baqarah 87-96)
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Their Emnity to the prophet.
Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel(angel)-for he brings down the(revelation)to thy heart by God's will,a confirmation of what went before,and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe, whoever is an enemy to God,and His His angels and his messengers,to Gabriel and Michael- lo! God is an enemy who reject faith. We have sent down to thee manifest Signs(ayat);and none reject them those who are preserve. Is it not(the case) that every time they make a convenant,some party among the throw it aside? Nay, most of them are faithless. And when there came to them a messenger from God, confirming what was with them, a party of the People of The Book threw away the Book of God behind their backs, as if(it had been something)they did not know! They followed what the evil ones gave out falsely against the power of Solomon(sulaiman):The blasphemers were,not Solomon,but the evil ones,teaching men magic,and such things as came down at Babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone such things without saying"We are only for trail, do not blaspheme".They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife.But they could not thus harm anyone except by God's permission.And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them,And they knew that the buyers of magic would have no share in the happiness of the hearafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls,if they but knew!If they had kept their Faith and guarded themselves from evil,far better had been the reward from their Lord.If they but knew!.(al-baqarah 97-102)
Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel(angel)-for he brings down the(revelation)to thy heart by God's will,a confirmation of what went before,and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe, whoever is an enemy to God,and His His angels and his messengers,to Gabriel and Michael- lo! God is an enemy who reject faith. We have sent down to thee manifest Signs(ayat);and none reject them those who are preserve. Is it not(the case) that every time they make a convenant,some party among the throw it aside? Nay, most of them are faithless. And when there came to them a messenger from God, confirming what was with them, a party of the People of The Book threw away the Book of God behind their backs, as if(it had been something)they did not know! They followed what the evil ones gave out falsely against the power of Solomon(sulaiman):The blasphemers were,not Solomon,but the evil ones,teaching men magic,and such things as came down at Babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone such things without saying"We are only for trail, do not blaspheme".They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife.But they could not thus harm anyone except by God's permission.And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them,And they knew that the buyers of magic would have no share in the happiness of the hearafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls,if they but knew!If they had kept their Faith and guarded themselves from evil,far better had been the reward from their Lord.If they but knew!.(al-baqarah 97-102)
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previous Scriptures are abrogated
O ye of Faith! Say not(to the messenger)words of ambiguous import, but words of respect; and hearken (to Him): to those without faith is a grievous punishment.It is never the wish of those without Faith among the People of the book,nor of the pagans,that anything good should come down to you from your Lord.But God will choose for His special Mercy whom He will- For God is Lord of grace abounding.None of Our Revelation do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten,but We substitute something better or similar:knowest thou not that God hath power over all things? Knowest thou not that to God belongth the dominion of the heavens and ye earth? And besides Him ye hav neither patron nor helper.Would ye question your messenger Moses was questioned of old? But whoever changeth from faith to unbelief,hath stray without doubt from even way. Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could turn you(people) back to infidelity afte ye have believed,from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become manifest unto them: but forgive and overlook, till God accomplish His purpose; for God hath power over all things. And be steadfast in praye and regular in charity:and whatever good ye send forth for your souls before you, ye shall find it with God: for God sees well all that ye do. And they say" None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jews or a christian" Those are their vain desires.Say:"produce your proof if ye are truthful". Nay- whoever submits his whole self to God and is a doer of good- he will get his reward with his Lord.On such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.(al-baqarah 104-112)
O ye of Faith! Say not(to the messenger)words of ambiguous import, but words of respect; and hearken (to Him): to those without faith is a grievous punishment.It is never the wish of those without Faith among the People of the book,nor of the pagans,that anything good should come down to you from your Lord.But God will choose for His special Mercy whom He will- For God is Lord of grace abounding.None of Our Revelation do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten,but We substitute something better or similar:knowest thou not that God hath power over all things? Knowest thou not that to God belongth the dominion of the heavens and ye earth? And besides Him ye hav neither patron nor helper.Would ye question your messenger Moses was questioned of old? But whoever changeth from faith to unbelief,hath stray without doubt from even way. Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could turn you(people) back to infidelity afte ye have believed,from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become manifest unto them: but forgive and overlook, till God accomplish His purpose; for God hath power over all things. And be steadfast in praye and regular in charity:and whatever good ye send forth for your souls before you, ye shall find it with God: for God sees well all that ye do. And they say" None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jews or a christian" Those are their vain desires.Say:"produce your proof if ye are truthful". Nay- whoever submits his whole self to God and is a doer of good- he will get his reward with his Lord.On such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.(al-baqarah 104-112)
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After the creation of Adam, just one original message has been repeatedly delivered to mankind throughout the history of humanity.
Thus,to remind people about it and bring them back to track,many prophets and messengers including Adam, Noah,Abraham,Moses,JEsus,and muhammad were sent by the only true God to convey this mesage:
"The true God is only ONE. Worship Him ALONE and keep His commandments."
Sent to convey
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Adam God is one
Noah God is one
Abraham God is one
Moses God is one
Jesus God is one
Muhammad God is one
God sent these major prophets as well as other prophets messengers to accomplish several tasks and missions,sone of which are:
1. To receive guidance from God and deliver it to people
2. To convey the message that God is One.
3. To be sole models to their people
4. To instruct their people to fear God and keep His Commandments
5. To teach their followers important religious and moral and worldly matters.
6. To guide those who deviated, disobeyed God,or worshipped other gods or idols.
7.To tell about their final destination(The Last Day) and what leads to paradise or Hellfire.
It is the same God who created and sent those prophets and messengers. He is the Creator of all humans, all animals,and all objects. It is this ONE TRUE GOD who created the who universe(including nature) and all it contains.He is the Creator of Life,deathg,and life after death.
The Oneness of this true God, the Creator,is clearly evident and easily traceable in the holy scriptures of the Jews, Christian,Muslim and others.
Studying the concept of God in the Bible and Quran sincere and objectives, a sincere seeker of truth would be able to discern the unique qualities belonging to the true God only.
Some of the qualities that distinguish only true God from others who claim to be God are:
a) This true God is Creator, not created.
b) This true God is ONE,not three or more! He has no partners nor equals.
c) This one true God in invisible; no one can see Him in this life. He is not physically manifested or incarnated in other forms.
d) This one true God is eternal:He does not die or change.
e) This one true God is not in need of anyone like a mother,wife,or a son; or anything like food,drink,or help. But others are in nee of Him.
f) This one true God is unique in His attributes; no one is like Him.No human or animal descriptions can be attributed to Him.
We can use these criteria and qualities(as well as other ones belonging to Him alone)in examining and rejecting any claims of being God.
Now let me turn to discuss the one message mentioned above and cite some of the biblical and Quranic verses confirming the Oneness of God
But before that, I would like to share with you this thought:
Some Christians might wonder, " It is obvious that God is one. We believe in one God.So whar is th point?".
However,based on a great deal of reading and studying materials on:
Christianity and dialogues with many Christians, I came to understand what "they perceive this One God to include".:
1. God the Father.
2. God the Son.
3. God the Holy spirit.
So,based on common sense and logic, a sincere and honest seeker of the truth could reason:
1. What do you mean by saying that GOD is One,While you refer to THREE GODS?
2. Is God One in Three or Three in One(1 in 3 or 3 in 1)...????!
In addition to that and according to Christian dogmas,these three"God" have different identities,images,role, and functions:
1. God the Father= The Creator.
2. God the Son = The saviour
3. God the holy spirit=the counselor.
By the way, if Jesus,God the son(or son of god) is really God or part of the One God,doesn't this contradict what the Bible itself reports that no one can see God,nor hear His voice? The Bible states:
- You have never heard his voice nor seen his face.(John 5:37)
- No one has ever seen Him.And no one can see him.(1 timothy 6:16)
- No one can see me and stay alive(exodus 33:20)
Based on these and other biblical texts, I sincerely and honestly ask: "How can we reconcile the dogma that Jesus is God and the Biblical testimony that no one has ever seen God, nor heard His Voice?".
Didn't the Jews at his time,his family and his followers SEE Jesus(God the Son,as some believe!).and hear his voice?
> Is there any secre or hidden purpose concerning the truth about God?
In the Bible,the true God emphatically testifies,
"I am the Lord,and there is no other God. I have not spoken in secret or kept my purpose hidden... I am the Lord, and I speak the truth; I make known what is right."(isaiah 45:19)
So what is the truth? Please re-read the verse and think about it!..
Now, let us take off on a journey of seeking the truth about the one true God in the Bible and the Quran.
At the end of this journey and after your critical,sincere,honest,and thoughtful reading of the passage and particularly the verses cited below, I would like to know your reactions or view.
>>> To be as objective as possible, I cite the verses without any comment. Please read the following verses CAREFULLY,CRITICALLY,and WITHOUT ANY PRECONCEPTIONS.>>>
>>> THE ONE TRUE GOD IN THE BIBLE<<<<
(tHE OLD TESTAMENT):
1. Hear,O israel: The lord our God is one Lord.(Deutronomy 6:4)
2. Has not the one God made and sustained for us the spirit of life?(Malachi 2:15)
3. You may know and believe Me and understand that I am HE. Before Me no God was formed,nor shall there be any after me. I, I am the Lord, besides Me there is no savior/saviour.(Isaiah 43:10-11)
4. I am the first and I am the last;besides Me there is no God.Who is like me? (isaiah 44:6)
5. And there is no other god besides Me,a righteous God and a saviour;
there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved...To Me every shall bow.(Isaiah 45:21-23)
>>>THESE ARE JUST SOME VERSES FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT<<<<
Can you think of other similar ones?
THE ONE TRUE GOD IN THE BIBLE(THE NEW TESTAMENT):
1. One cam and said unto him,Good Master,what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he(Jesus) said unto Him,Why callest thou me good?There is none good but one, that is God.(Matthew 19:16-17.King James version).
2. Now this is life eternal,that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ,whom you have sent.(John 17:3)
3. Worship the Lord your God,and serve Him only.(Matthew 4:10)
4. Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is One Lord.(Mark 12:29)
5. For there is One God and there is one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.(Timothy 2:5)
>>>Can you recall other verses that "GOD I ONLY ONE"?(NOT THREE(3)!!!)<<<
THE ONE TRUE GOD IN THE QURAN
-Say: He is Allah, the One; Allah the Eternal,Absolute;He begets not, nor is he
begotten; and there is none like unto Him.(Al-ikhlas 1-4)
-There is no God but I;worship Me.(21:25)
- They disbelieve who say: Allah(God) is one of three,for there is no God except One God.If they desist not from their word(of blasphemy),verily,a grieveous chastisement will befall the disbeliever among them.(5:73)
- Can there be another God besides Allah(God)? Nay, most of them know not.(27:61)
- Can there be another God besides Allah (God)? Nay, " Bring forth your proof, if ye are telling the truth!(27:64)
>>>Indeed, this message concerning the "Oneness of God(i.e, Tauheed in Arabic) is the essential theme of the Quran.<<<
Conclucion of my analysys...
These verse as well as hundreds of similar piece of evidence in Bible and Quran confirm this one,eternal message that "the true God is only ONE".
"Turn to me now and be saved,people all over the world! I AM THE ONLY GOD THERE IS." (isaiah 45:22).
Not only does te Bible affirm that God is only ONE, but it is also reveals that the true God,the Creator,is the "ONLY SAVIOUR"
"Before me no God was formed, nor shall there be any after me, I am the Lord,and besides me there is no Saviour." (Isaiah 43:10-11).
So according to this affirmation, all other supposed gods or deities like Jesus,Holy Spirit,Brahma,Vishnu,Shiva,Krishna or Buddha are neither Gods nor manifesttations of the ONE TRUE GOD.
It was because of such false beliefs that after the Jews worshipped other gods,"The Lord's anger burned against them."(Numbers 25:3)
Likewise,Moses destroyed the golden calf.
On the other hand,the essenes,an early Christian unitaria community,endured torture and persecution because they refused to exchange Jesus's monotheistic teachings for the Paulin innovation of the trinity.
To sum up, all God's prophets including Adam,Noah,Abraham,Moses,Jesus,and Muhammad were sent by the same God,The Creator to convey the same message:
>>>> The true God is the only ONE.Worship Him ALONE and Keep His commandments<<<<
And since those prophets and messengers preached the same one message, their religion must be the same one! So, what is the religion of those prophets and messengers?
Submission to the Will of God is the essense of the message of those prophets.This word "SUBMISSION" means "ISLAM" in Arabic.
The Quran does confirm that "Islam" is the true religion of all God's prophets and messengers.This Quranic fact is traceable in the Bible itself!.
Ultimately, to attain salvation, we must receive and believe in the above mentioned message willingly and wholeheartedly.Nevertheless,doing this is not enough! We must also believe in all God's true prophets(including Prophet Muhammad) and follow their true guidance and teachings.This is the gateway to a happy,eternal life!.
So, if you are a sincer seeker of truth and lover of Salvation,you might to consider this NOW,before it is too late! BEFORE DEATH. IT CAN BE SOON! WHO KNOWS?
FINAL THOUGHT
>>> Those who are sincere, honest,serious,objective,and open minded in seeking the truth,after thinking critically about this one message,they may ask questions like:
So,What is the truth?
What can I do?
you CAN sincerely believe in your only true God(Allah),believe in His last messenger,and utter the following:
"I testify that there is no god worthy of worship but the One true God(Allah) and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God(Allah)..."
>>> This testimony is the 1st step on the way to eternal life and the real key to the gate of paradise.<<<
If you decide to take this way,you can contact your muslim friend,the nearest islamic center,or me(i will be very happy to help).
YAY! YAY!
YES,YOU CAN DO IT...!
Brief Definitions of Major islamic TErms
A) ALLAH
- The proper Name of the one true God,the Creator. Allah is the true God of all mankind( JEWS, CHRISTIAN,MUSLIM,HINDUS,ETC)
B) MUHAMMAD
- The last prophet of the one True God(Allah)
c) Islam
- Submission to Will of the cReator,the true God(Allah). One can attain real happiness and peace of mind only through submission and obedience to the true God.
d) Muslim
- One who submits to the Will of the true God.
e) Quran
- The Word of God revealed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh...
insyaallah Allah guide all our non-muslim bros and sis...!
Thus,to remind people about it and bring them back to track,many prophets and messengers including Adam, Noah,Abraham,Moses,JEsus,and muhammad were sent by the only true God to convey this mesage:
"The true God is only ONE. Worship Him ALONE and keep His commandments."
The True God,The Creator.
Sent to convey
_____ _________
Adam God is one
Noah God is one
Abraham God is one
Moses God is one
Jesus God is one
Muhammad God is one
God sent these major prophets as well as other prophets messengers to accomplish several tasks and missions,sone of which are:
1. To receive guidance from God and deliver it to people
2. To convey the message that God is One.
3. To be sole models to their people
4. To instruct their people to fear God and keep His Commandments
5. To teach their followers important religious and moral and worldly matters.
6. To guide those who deviated, disobeyed God,or worshipped other gods or idols.
7.To tell about their final destination(The Last Day) and what leads to paradise or Hellfire.
It is the same God who created and sent those prophets and messengers. He is the Creator of all humans, all animals,and all objects. It is this ONE TRUE GOD who created the who universe(including nature) and all it contains.He is the Creator of Life,deathg,and life after death.
The Oneness of this true God, the Creator,is clearly evident and easily traceable in the holy scriptures of the Jews, Christian,Muslim and others.
Studying the concept of God in the Bible and Quran sincere and objectives, a sincere seeker of truth would be able to discern the unique qualities belonging to the true God only.
Some of the qualities that distinguish only true God from others who claim to be God are:
a) This true God is Creator, not created.
b) This true God is ONE,not three or more! He has no partners nor equals.
c) This one true God in invisible; no one can see Him in this life. He is not physically manifested or incarnated in other forms.
d) This one true God is eternal:He does not die or change.
e) This one true God is not in need of anyone like a mother,wife,or a son; or anything like food,drink,or help. But others are in nee of Him.
f) This one true God is unique in His attributes; no one is like Him.No human or animal descriptions can be attributed to Him.
We can use these criteria and qualities(as well as other ones belonging to Him alone)in examining and rejecting any claims of being God.
Now let me turn to discuss the one message mentioned above and cite some of the biblical and Quranic verses confirming the Oneness of God
But before that, I would like to share with you this thought:
Some Christians might wonder, " It is obvious that God is one. We believe in one God.So whar is th point?".
However,based on a great deal of reading and studying materials on:
Christianity and dialogues with many Christians, I came to understand what "they perceive this One God to include".:
1. God the Father.
2. God the Son.
3. God the Holy spirit.
So,based on common sense and logic, a sincere and honest seeker of the truth could reason:
1. What do you mean by saying that GOD is One,While you refer to THREE GODS?
2. Is God One in Three or Three in One(1 in 3 or 3 in 1)...????!
In addition to that and according to Christian dogmas,these three"God" have different identities,images,role, and functions:
1. God the Father= The Creator.
2. God the Son = The saviour
3. God the holy spirit=the counselor.
By the way, if Jesus,God the son(or son of god) is really God or part of the One God,doesn't this contradict what the Bible itself reports that no one can see God,nor hear His voice? The Bible states:
- You have never heard his voice nor seen his face.(John 5:37)
- No one has ever seen Him.And no one can see him.(1 timothy 6:16)
- No one can see me and stay alive(exodus 33:20)
Based on these and other biblical texts, I sincerely and honestly ask: "How can we reconcile the dogma that Jesus is God and the Biblical testimony that no one has ever seen God, nor heard His Voice?".
Didn't the Jews at his time,his family and his followers SEE Jesus(God the Son,as some believe!).and hear his voice?
> Is there any secre or hidden purpose concerning the truth about God?
In the Bible,the true God emphatically testifies,
"I am the Lord,and there is no other God. I have not spoken in secret or kept my purpose hidden... I am the Lord, and I speak the truth; I make known what is right."(isaiah 45:19)
So what is the truth? Please re-read the verse and think about it!..
Now, let us take off on a journey of seeking the truth about the one true God in the Bible and the Quran.
At the end of this journey and after your critical,sincere,honest,and thoughtful reading of the passage and particularly the verses cited below, I would like to know your reactions or view.
>>> To be as objective as possible, I cite the verses without any comment. Please read the following verses CAREFULLY,CRITICALLY,and WITHOUT ANY PRECONCEPTIONS.>>>
>>> THE ONE TRUE GOD IN THE BIBLE<<<<
(tHE OLD TESTAMENT):
1. Hear,O israel: The lord our God is one Lord.(Deutronomy 6:4)
2. Has not the one God made and sustained for us the spirit of life?(Malachi 2:15)
3. You may know and believe Me and understand that I am HE. Before Me no God was formed,nor shall there be any after me. I, I am the Lord, besides Me there is no savior/saviour.(Isaiah 43:10-11)
4. I am the first and I am the last;besides Me there is no God.Who is like me? (isaiah 44:6)
5. And there is no other god besides Me,a righteous God and a saviour;
there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved...To Me every shall bow.(Isaiah 45:21-23)
>>>THESE ARE JUST SOME VERSES FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT<<<<
Can you think of other similar ones?
THE ONE TRUE GOD IN THE BIBLE(THE NEW TESTAMENT):
1. One cam and said unto him,Good Master,what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he(Jesus) said unto Him,Why callest thou me good?There is none good but one, that is God.(Matthew 19:16-17.King James version).
2. Now this is life eternal,that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ,whom you have sent.(John 17:3)
3. Worship the Lord your God,and serve Him only.(Matthew 4:10)
4. Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is One Lord.(Mark 12:29)
5. For there is One God and there is one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.(Timothy 2:5)
>>>Can you recall other verses that "GOD I ONLY ONE"?(NOT THREE(3)!!!)<<<
THE ONE TRUE GOD IN THE QURAN
-Say: He is Allah, the One; Allah the Eternal,Absolute;He begets not, nor is he
begotten; and there is none like unto Him.(Al-ikhlas 1-4)
-There is no God but I;worship Me.(21:25)
- They disbelieve who say: Allah(God) is one of three,for there is no God except One God.If they desist not from their word(of blasphemy),verily,a grieveous chastisement will befall the disbeliever among them.(5:73)
- Can there be another God besides Allah(God)? Nay, most of them know not.(27:61)
- Can there be another God besides Allah (God)? Nay, " Bring forth your proof, if ye are telling the truth!(27:64)
>>>Indeed, this message concerning the "Oneness of God(i.e, Tauheed in Arabic) is the essential theme of the Quran.<<<
Conclucion of my analysys...
These verse as well as hundreds of similar piece of evidence in Bible and Quran confirm this one,eternal message that "the true God is only ONE".
"Turn to me now and be saved,people all over the world! I AM THE ONLY GOD THERE IS." (isaiah 45:22).
Not only does te Bible affirm that God is only ONE, but it is also reveals that the true God,the Creator,is the "ONLY SAVIOUR"
"Before me no God was formed, nor shall there be any after me, I am the Lord,and besides me there is no Saviour." (Isaiah 43:10-11).
So according to this affirmation, all other supposed gods or deities like Jesus,Holy Spirit,Brahma,Vishnu,Shiva,Krishna or Buddha are neither Gods nor manifesttations of the ONE TRUE GOD.
It was because of such false beliefs that after the Jews worshipped other gods,"The Lord's anger burned against them."(Numbers 25:3)
Likewise,Moses destroyed the golden calf.
On the other hand,the essenes,an early Christian unitaria community,endured torture and persecution because they refused to exchange Jesus's monotheistic teachings for the Paulin innovation of the trinity.
To sum up, all God's prophets including Adam,Noah,Abraham,Moses,Jesus,and Muhammad were sent by the same God,The Creator to convey the same message:
>>>> The true God is the only ONE.Worship Him ALONE and Keep His commandments<<<<
And since those prophets and messengers preached the same one message, their religion must be the same one! So, what is the religion of those prophets and messengers?
Submission to the Will of God is the essense of the message of those prophets.This word "SUBMISSION" means "ISLAM" in Arabic.
The Quran does confirm that "Islam" is the true religion of all God's prophets and messengers.This Quranic fact is traceable in the Bible itself!.
Ultimately, to attain salvation, we must receive and believe in the above mentioned message willingly and wholeheartedly.Nevertheless,doing this is not enough! We must also believe in all God's true prophets(including Prophet Muhammad) and follow their true guidance and teachings.This is the gateway to a happy,eternal life!.
So, if you are a sincer seeker of truth and lover of Salvation,you might to consider this NOW,before it is too late! BEFORE DEATH. IT CAN BE SOON! WHO KNOWS?
FINAL THOUGHT
>>> Those who are sincere, honest,serious,objective,and open minded in seeking the truth,after thinking critically about this one message,they may ask questions like:
So,What is the truth?
What can I do?
you CAN sincerely believe in your only true God(Allah),believe in His last messenger,and utter the following:
"I testify that there is no god worthy of worship but the One true God(Allah) and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God(Allah)..."
>>> This testimony is the 1st step on the way to eternal life and the real key to the gate of paradise.<<<
If you decide to take this way,you can contact your muslim friend,the nearest islamic center,or me(i will be very happy to help).
YAY! YAY!
YES,YOU CAN DO IT...!
Brief Definitions of Major islamic TErms
A) ALLAH
- The proper Name of the one true God,the Creator. Allah is the true God of all mankind( JEWS, CHRISTIAN,MUSLIM,HINDUS,ETC)
B) MUHAMMAD
- The last prophet of the one True God(Allah)
c) Islam
- Submission to Will of the cReator,the true God(Allah). One can attain real happiness and peace of mind only through submission and obedience to the true God.
d) Muslim
- One who submits to the Will of the true God.
e) Quran
- The Word of God revealed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh...
insyaallah Allah guide all our non-muslim bros and sis...!
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There are christians out there who are very similar to those who follow The Barelwi Version Of Islam, they believe that Jesus(as) was not 'Human in flesh, he was simply a spirit" as the Barelwis believe that Muhammed (saw) was not human in flesh either.
Guys, when we utter "Jesus", can we all please make an effort to end it with "A.S", out of respect to all of Allahs messengers, Insha'allah.
Guys, when we utter "Jesus", can we all please make an effort to end it with "A.S", out of respect to all of Allahs messengers, Insha'allah.
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insyaallah....
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You are of course entitled to hold to that opinion, but make no mistake about it, it is just that, opinion. By faith you belief it to be true, but I don't expect that you nor anyone else can actually prove that it is true. I and (despite SirZubair's comments) the majority of Christians, on the other hand, believe something very different. I like to say "I know" that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that one can have life in his name -- but as Mustafa correctly pointed out, even though it feels like "knowing" to me, I can't categorically and undeniably prove it either, so both of us are left with what we believe to be true and those beliefs are different from each other on many (though not all) points. And while you assert that my beliefs are a deviation from the truth, I claim the same in response to your beliefs. We either learn to respect this about each other or we end up in conflict and there has been entirely too much conflict in our past. Hopefully discussions on these boards can help move us toward mutual understanding rather than mutual condemnation.
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Amen to that, Grace Seeker.
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:bump: i am here to explained not to debate..i as a commentator to put my commentation to say....:
there are no such thing of "Trinity"....
<<<God is Father, God is son, God is spirit >>>
God can transform to be a son,father or spirit...for a God to entered the wo earth need a wide place for him to enter...even the earth will be earthquake...No such thing...the pope paulus has fool the followers...! he begged the people listen to his lies..!...insyaallah God will guide the non-muslim to get back the right track to Submit themselves to Allah.:bump:
there are no such thing of "Trinity"....
<<<God is Father, God is son, God is spirit >>>
God can transform to be a son,father or spirit...for a God to entered the wo earth need a wide place for him to enter...even the earth will be earthquake...No such thing...the pope paulus has fool the followers...! he begged the people listen to his lies..!...insyaallah God will guide the non-muslim to get back the right track to Submit themselves to Allah.:bump:
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Right. BTW, anyone want to buy a nice bridge stretching from Manhattan into Brooklyn?