Keltoi
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I would agree with how Grace Seeker addressed this question, which he did in detail. It would not be accurate to describe Christ as simply a "really nice chap" from a Christian perspective.
Do christians worship God (not Jesus)?
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I would agree with how Grace Seeker addressed this question, which he did in detail. It would not be accurate to describe Christ as simply a "really nice chap" from a Christian perspective.
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Correct, Arius argued this, but the Church disagreed with him and found him and his "proofs" to be in error. This despite the fact the the Emperor was himself a friend of Arius. You, of course, are not the Church and are free to agree with him, but his views do NOT reflect the accepted teachings and beliefs of the Christian church neither now nor in his own day.
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"True belief is the right way to put it. One can say "I believe", but until faced with a situation where they must actually make a "leap of faith", they don't really know the extent of their belief. Christ knew, for example, that Peter would deny Him. It served as a lesson. It isn't enough to say you believe. One must believe with all their heart and spirit. That faith wasn't really tested, in Peter's case, until Christ was taken away, beaten, and at the mercy of His captors. Did Peter love Christ enough, love God enough, to put his own life in danger by admitting he was Christ's disciple? It is easy to say "yes" to a question like that when you're life isn't literally in danger."
I think the only answer is Yes, if you people believe that person you protecting is the God of all creation? I'm sure there are cases though history of Christians being killed for not renouncing their faith? where as in the case of the disciples, they lived with Jesus, witnessed his miracles and yet that was still not enough? They still feared death, why?
"True belief is the right way to put it. One can say "I believe", but until faced with a situation where they must actually make a "leap of faith", they don't really know the extent of their belief. Christ knew, for example, that Peter would deny Him. It served as a lesson. It isn't enough to say you believe. One must believe with all their heart and spirit. That faith wasn't really tested, in Peter's case, until Christ was taken away, beaten, and at the mercy of His captors. Did Peter love Christ enough, love God enough, to put his own life in danger by admitting he was Christ's disciple? It is easy to say "yes" to a question like that when you're life isn't literally in danger."
I think the only answer is Yes, if you people believe that person you protecting is the God of all creation? I'm sure there are cases though history of Christians being killed for not renouncing their faith? where as in the case of the disciples, they lived with Jesus, witnessed his miracles and yet that was still not enough? They still feared death, why?
...and that he died believing the same as Arius - not in the Trinity.
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Yeah, so? Sort of depends on which emperor you are talking about.
The point being not what the Emperor believed, but what the Church believed and taught. I'll go so far as to say that even Arius thought he was defending, not attacking Christianity. But his beliefs were NOT accepted by the bulk of the Church. Could the whole of the Church be wrong? Well, isn't that exactly what Muslims claim? But even in this world of swinging pendulums, I've never seen the pendelum swing in Arius' direction within the Church.
See, this is where you are mistaken. You have to understand the difference between Good Friday and Easter Sunday.
While they may have feared death at one point in their lives, this was when they still thought that Jesus' was merely some sort of political leader, great teacher, special chap sent by God. And then when they saw him arrested and instead of ruling over the political and religious authorities of his day, dead at the hands of them they thought all was lost. But that is like telling the story of Jesus and ripping out the final chapters of the Gospel. The story continues on Easter Sunday with the resurrection. And that would, and still does, change everything.
Sure the disciples had lived with Jesus, witnessed his miracles and yet that was still not enough. They did still fear death. But that was Friday, Sunday as still coming. It was Friday, and darkness was in the land, and darkness ruled the land, but that’s because it’s Friday. But it will not always be Friday. Sunday is coming! We got to remember that in our lives as well.
It was Friday and Jesus is dead on the tree. But that's Friday; Sunday's coming. It was Friday and Mary was crying her eyes out, the disciples are running in every direction like sheep without a shepherd. But that's Friday; Sunday's a coming. People are saying this, "things have been so they shall be, you can’t change nothing in this world," but they didn't know it’s only Friday! Sunday's comin’! Friday, those forces that oppress the poor and keep people down, those forces that destroy people, those forces are in control and they're gonna rule, but they don't know-- it's only Friday, Sunday's a comin'! Friday people are saying darkness is goin' rule the world and sadness is going to be everywhere, but they don't know, it's only Friday, Sunday's a comin'!
So, yes, when Jesus got dragged off to face the cross, those disciples did fear. Why? Because they did not yet understand, because their faith was not yet strong, because they were living focused on something less than the power of God. Why? (With apologies to Tony Campolo for stealing his line.) Because it was Friday, but.....
....Sunday's a comin'!!!
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Please take this on board: more than anyone, it is Jesus Himself who speaks (to us) of God as Father, of himself as THE Son (not a son), and Jesus is the one who sends the Holy Spirit of God upon those who believe in him.
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Can we believe that something that we dont know that is true or not..Jesus tell that God As father,of himself as the son and jesus is the one who send the holy spirit of God those who believe in Him because we are not a witness.
Jesus telling us to believe in Him, thaT Elah(Allah) is the lord God...and Mahnama(muhammad) the conforter and prophet after him will bring the the light of Allah to the world....there're islam...!
Jesus tell us, believe in the lord, your god and my god.....!
Jesus is not a saviour and Jesus is a prophet....
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Can we believe that something that we dont know that is true or not..Jesus tell that God As father,of himself as the son and jesus is the one who send the holy spirit of God those who believe in Him because we are not a witness.
Jesus telling us to believe in Him, thaT Elah(Allah) is the lord God...and Mahnama(muhammad) the conforter and prophet after him will bring the the light of Allah to the world....there're islam...!
Jesus tell us, believe in the lord, your god and my god.....!
Jesus is not a saviour and Jesus is a prophet....
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Jesus is God! God is three in one, just like water! Water is solid (Ice) Liquid and gas but it will always be water!
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,
so, you worship water? ^o)
besides, water can freeze, does your god freeze? :-\
ice can melt, does your god melt? :-\
vapor [gas] changes depending on the temperature, does your god change with the temperature? :-\
and have you ever seen a water molecule be water, ice and vapor all at the same time? :thankyou:
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,
so, you worship water? ^o)
besides, water can freeze, does your god freeze? :-\
ice can melt, does your god melt? :-\
vapor [gas] changes depending on the temperature, does your god change with the temperature? :-\
and have you ever seen a water molecule be water, ice and vapor all at the same time? :thankyou:
lol I am not saying God is Water I am just saying water will be water, just an example
So, you just definitively answered the question. Christians do worship the human being Jesus who was born of Mary as only God should be worshiped.
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You know very well that Christians would not call Jesus simply a "human being". We worship Christ as God, as God is to be worshipped.
Well even the Jews understood what Jesus meant when he said he was the Son of God.
'Therefore the Jews sought the more the kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.'
John 5: 18.
Do you deny that Jesus was a human being born of a woman?
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I don't deny that Christ was born of a woman and was of the flesh. However, to Christians Christ was and is also of the divine. It is not the flesh that we worship, but the divine nature and spirit of Christ.
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jesus was a prophet as all prophets and a messenger of god and chrsitians went wrong when they focus on jesus and put him at the same level as god who created him and all humans.if they worshipped god in the right way why god would have sent another prophet then ?
Christians don't believe God sent another Prophet.
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it's their problem lol our responsability is to tell them so that they will have no excuse in front of allah
You make a good point in that only Muslims respect Prophet 'Isa (as) as he should be respected.
Jews disrespect him as an illegitimate child and his mother, Mary, as a fornicator.
Christians worship him as being the Son of God and at the same time fully God and they (Catholics) revere his mother, Mary, as the Mother of God.
Muslims respect him as a most honored Prophet, Messenger, and Servant of the One God and they respect his mother, Mary, as a virtuous woman and among the most blessed of women who have ever lived.
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On this we are in full agreement.
If this is the Truth, then convince me, as ShalomAll stated, that "Jesus is God" with evidence and proof that is beyond a shadow of doubt.