Do Muslims believe in Free Speech

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I believe that freedom of speech should be used responsibly because it can hurt people's deeply held feelings. But it must not be "not used" because of threats of violence. People who kill must not be appeased but arrested. People who makes threats to kill should be in jail. They must not be allowed to win. If you go down the path of restricting what you say because of threats of violence, there is an incentive to use threats of violence to get your ends. Anyone can threaten to kill someone. If you let one group do it, another will want to as well. Then everyone will be doing it and there will be no freedom left. You have to draw the line somewhere.
True.

It should still be used responsibly in a way which does not offend people's deeply held beliefs, since any such offence, while being morally wrong, may also give rise to violence.

I don't mean people should cave in to threats of violence, but it is obviously worth bearing in mind.
 
does Free speech mean you can do anything?
No there is a limit for everything.
you cannot insult some one.
 
does Free speech mean you can do anything?
No there is a limit for everything.
you cannot insult some one.

I think you should not insult someone. It is rude. But why can't you?

I think a lot of things ought to be in the domain of morality and good character. Not in the realm of the law. Tolerance means trying to get along with people. We should all try to do that.
 
I think you should not insult someone. It is rude. But why can't you?

I think a lot of things ought to be in the domain of morality and good character. Not in the realm of the law. Tolerance means trying to get along with people. We should all try to do that.

Agreed, Free speech shouldnt be used as a tool that allows people to attack religious groups or people and spread PURE racism!
 
Agreed, Free speech shouldnt be used as a tool that allows people to attack religious groups or people and spread PURE racism!
You mean like Ahmadinejad calling for Death to America, Death to Israel? Or how about the Iranian newspaper having the contest for the Holocaust cartoons? It shouldn't be used for those purposes right?
 
You mean like Ahmadinejad calling for Death to America, Death to Israel? Or how about the Iranian newspaper having the contest for the Holocaust cartoons? It shouldn't be used for those purposes right?

Yeah exactly! DOnt get me wrong those that do evil deserve it back But i dont agree with those comments!!
 
Yeah exactly! DOnt get me wrong those that do evil deserve it back But i dont agree with those comments!!
But everything can be considered an attack on people. My lifestyle as a heterosexual male could be considered an attack on homosexuals and vice versa. A Christian disregarding the prophet Muhammed as a false prophet could be an attack against you so as a Muslim's views on Jesus being the son of God and not just a prophet an attack. Where do you draw the line? The minute any of us open our mouth we offend someone.
 
But everything can be considered an attack on people. My lifestyle as a heterosexual male could be considered an attack on homosexuals and vice versa. A Christian disregarding the prophet Muhammed as a false prophet could be an attack against you so as a Muslim's views on Jesus being the son of God and not just a prophet an attack. Where do you draw the line? The minute any of us open our mouth we offend someone.

thats why we need to live the way we choose and let others do the same:)
 
Peace to all Believers and Dis-believers.

The line is drawn when people start lying and putting false alligations on each other. Islamic Shari'a forbids to lie or to offend the kuffar in a way that will take away them from approaching Islam with an open mind. Every one has their free will to do what ever they want. Believers have chosen a path and the dis-believers have chosen their path.
Free speech is allowed as long as it does'nt become a nusance or a means of mocking or propogating lies against Islam.
Free speech is tolerated in Islam NOT lies or falsehhod or mockery.
 
Peace to all Believers and Dis-believers.

The line is drawn when people start lying and putting false alligations on each other. Islamic Shari'a forbids to lie or to offend the kuffar in a way that will take away them from approaching Islam with an open mind. Every one has their free will to do what ever they want. Believers have chosen a path and the dis-believers have chosen their path.
Free speech is allowed as long as it does'nt become a nusance or a means of mocking or propogating lies against Islam.
Free speech is tolerated in Islam NOT lies or falsehhod or mockery.


So who is the judge of lies and mockery? Christians might think that Islam is "lies and mockery", so will you stop being muslim now?
 
Hi

Have you heard the saying "Your right to hit me stops right where your hand touches my skin" - its something like that anyway. A similar thing could be considered for free speech. Meaning that if what you are about to say would cause considerable grief - and if you dont have a kind way to tell someone something - dont say it at all.

Thats what i think. Peace to all.
 
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"Ad-dunya sijnul mu'mini wa jannatul kaafiri."

"The world is prison for the believers and paradise for the disbelievers."

Reporter: Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (r)

Source: Sahih Muslim, Vol. 4, #7058

Note: Prison is not a place where people want to live or end up at. The mere existence of prison has a significant deterrent value. Also once a person is a priosoner, it is a human tendency to try to become free. Prisoners want to be free, to return to their homes and to the society where they originally belonged. This sense of belonging is important for a believer. To be a believer in Islam means understanding that one's destination is Paradise; that is where everyone belongs. Paradise is designed and prepared for successful human beings; it is awaiting them. When a person develops that awareness and conviction, then this ephemeral worldly life to him appears as nothing short of a prison from which he seeks freedom and wants to reach his destination. If he has to spend some time in this prison, he hardly enjoys it; the urge of reaching his ultimate destination overshadows his other desires. The opposite is true about people who do not believe. They treat this world as their paradise. To them, nothing awaits them beyond this life. Therefore, they indulge themselves to the extent that they become entrapped.

This is where a Muslim's view point is on "Freedom"
SubhanAllah, Beautiful, is'nt it?
We are proud that we are not free in this world - Not free in the sense that every action and thought has moral constraints. We are slaves to Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'laa. This is our Theology and Ideology. If you have a problem with it then you are responsible for what you believe. Remember a painful punishment is waiting those who disbelieve. The warning has already been sent out and the word has spread. So use your "Free Will" to choose the path you want.
Good Luck InshaAllah. :thumbs_up
 
There is freedom of speech in the Quran.

7:180
And to God belong the beautiful names, so call Him by them; and ignore those who blaspheme in His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.

28:55
And if they come across vain talk, they disregard it and Say: "To us are our deeds, and to you is your deeds. Peace be upon you. We do not seek the ignorant."

25:63
And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say: "Peace."

33:48
And do not obey the rejecters and the hypocrites, and ignore their insults, and put your trust in God; God suffices as an advocate.

10:65
And do not be saddened by their speech, for all glory is to God. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.

If you believe that someone is insulting you, your religion, our your God: Ignore them and wish for peace with them. And don't be saddened by their insults. These are the advices that the Quran gives.

The question is: All the these people burning buildings and flags, threatning to kill and beating others up etc. Are they following the quran, our (ab)using it for their desires?

The answer should be obvious.
:)
 
There is freedom of speech in the Quran.

7:180
And to God belong the beautiful names, so call Him by them; and ignore those who blaspheme in His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.

28:55
And if they come across vain talk, they disregard it and Say: "To us are our deeds, and to you is your deeds. Peace be upon you. We do not seek the ignorant."

25:63
And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say: "Peace."

33:48
And do not obey the rejecters and the hypocrites, and ignore their insults, and put your trust in God; God suffices as an advocate.

10:65
And do not be saddened by their speech, for all glory is to God. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.

If you believe that someone is insulting you, your religion, our your God: Ignore them and wish for peace with them. And don't be saddened by their insults. These are the advices that the Quran gives.

The question is: All the these people burning buildings and flags, threatning to kill and beating others up etc. Are they following the quran, our (ab)using it for their desires?

The answer should be obvious.:)

MashaAllah!
Yea only if the Muslims followed the true Shari'a!
 
Everyone is entitled to 'freedom of speach' ...with limits WalaykumAsalaam x
 
Assalaam o alikum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakathu
Look at denmarks free spech! ande how they deal with it (subhaan allah)

I live in Denmark! and the hole thing about our beloved prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu Alayhl wa Sallam is far from over! every singel day one can read in danish news paper there war on islam & Muslim below i urge you to read whats been said about us as muslims and about Rasul Allah salla allahu Alayhl wa sallam

Some Truth on the danish political party DPP Danish people party and a
support team to prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen of Denmark

Let me start by saying i am a muslim converted to islam (Alhamdulillah)
trew out the years islam and the muslim have been victims of hate from
the vest and beyond!" many anti muslim haters, aswell anti muslim writers
like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Irshad Manji, & Salman Rushdie, as well so called
islamic expert Like a man such as Daniel Pipes, and Theo Van Gogh, who
all have gone out of there way to lie false on Islam and the muslim trew
out the world.Now danish Jyllands posten newspaper in the name of free
press tell us we danish ppl and ppl outside of denmark have to get youse
to funny pictures according to them of driffent religions.But in this
case, and only in this case, it have to do with the muslim..Nore do we
see cartoons hatefull pictures made of the christians ore the jews
because of respect towords there feelings.I now youse my VOICE to let you
know of some info about in this case The party in denmark called DPP..Not
every danish man/woman support the drawings on Rasul allah saws.But the
hate towords the muslim for the last 10 years have been out of order..and
like i say Enough is Enough..How come a muslim is fanatic according to
others when they express themeself i am here letting you all know the
TRUTH..To all my muslim friends let the world know what you fell express
yourself according to The Quran & the sunnah and ackt likewise

1.Mogens Camre form the party DPP.Who many times have express his
anti-islamic rhetoric thougts like.Muslim only talk nice to people in
order to make us trust them,for in the end the muslim will kill us.
Mogens Camre E-mail at the Eu Parlamentet is [email protected]

2.Kristian Thulsen Dahl from this party DPP. Says that islam is the
biggest threat to the world and a threat to the western world.It eats us
up from inside and the struktur of ours.
Kristian Thulsen Dahl E-mail is [email protected]

3.Kenneth Kristensen is mamber of the danish party DPP.He have express
that in his eys danish convert to islam is a BIG threat.More then a born
muslim.So he would much like to could kick born danish people out of
denmark because of there choice to islam.Also one can read on his parivat
hompage that he is against a muslim graveyard
Kenneth Kristensen E-mail is [email protected]

4.Louise Frevert who is a member of the danish party DPP and is a x-porno
star her in denmark have said about muslim on her web-page.Muslim is like
cancer it has to be removed.And muslim have been brain wash for over a
1000 years now.Its is said in the danish press that it was not her own
words but the words of her web-master..all tho the same day danish news
got hold of the story she had those strong feelings towords muslim in
denmark and first not deny her hard feelings like islam and muslim was
like cancer.On her privat home page she had a link called artikel now one
had the nerve to print.Her she write her thouhts on muslim.Also we read
in the news her in denmark as well heard in the news Miss Louise Frevert
send sms around to boycot muslim shops..because the islamic world have
done the same with stuff from denmark Miss Louise frevert E-mail is
[email protected]

Jesper langballe from the party DPP.Says on islam we have to fight islam
and the Hijab like we fight against Hitler..This man is a priest and a
political man.He have express his hard feelings on muslim in denmark for
many years now he also said once that peopels rights is somthing the
devil have made up Jesper langballe E-mail is [email protected]

Pia Kjærsgaard The founder of (DPP) have express daily har hate towords
muslims in denmark..he week news edition normily have some kind of
anti-islamic thoughts.She once said in denmark there is no room for Allah
Ore Muhammad.She have also many times espress her hate towards the Hijab
of the muslim women to ban it..She have also express to ban the group
Hizb ut Tahrir for some years now.Everything that have to do with islam
Pia kjærsgaard calls absurd

Alex Ahrendtsen from the party (DPP) Says abput the Quran that every
danish man/women should have it on thre night tabel like the book (mein
kampf) (My Fight) because Alex says it is his finest job as a tru
christian to tell the truth on islam.This man is very redikal anti-muslim
fanatic like the rest of the party (Dpp) many lies have been writte about
the Quran from Mr Alex himself.Some things said to driffent danisk news
paper from Mr Alex (muslim have put out holy war on the west,and the get
to many children) (the muhammadan quran says to be violent) (the quran
teach to kill all jews & Christian) (one cant say a mosque is a house of
peace like a church) (Only peopel born in denmark danes should get
help,not the muslims) (if denmark gives the right to build a mosque in
denmark its like a war on every christians) (the fight on islam is a
christian fight as well as a political one) the list goes on and one
E.mail to Mr Alex Ahrendtsen is [email protected] & [email protected]

Niels Erik søndergård member of the party (DPP) he have written alot
about the quran like his fellow friend Alex Ahrendtsen many lies on
muslim..Even he writes in the news paper that it is really bad for
denmark and the west muslim get more children then what defind normal.
His E-mail is [email protected]

Martin Henriksen form the party (DPP) say on muslims
Martin Henriksen, however, has also
been criticised for having a website that is equally
anti-Muslim.

'From its beginning, Islam has been a terrorist
movement,' Henriksen stated on his website, warning
against letting Muslims run for office in parliament
and municipal councils.

'It's well known that Islam is lying low, well-knowing
that no Islamic group or state has the military power
it takes to conquer us. The goal we know, the method
is to quietly take over and infiltrate our democratic
institutions,' Henriksen said on his website.

Danish converts to Islam get their share of the blame
as 'moral criminals'.

'These young Danes, who turn their backs on their
heritage and thereby all of us, are committing an
indescribable moral crime,' the website stated.

The website was discussed in a DF parliamentary group
meeting last Thursday, where Henriksen said he had
received full backing from his fellow party members.

'It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that an MP
from the Danish People's Party is critical of Islam.
It's a part of the party's policy, so I'm not removing
anything from my website,' Henriksen told national
broadcaster DR.
His E-mail is [email protected]

The new Children book written in danish by Kåre Bluitgen about The Nobel
Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah saws) is selling good at the moment in
denmark.In the book there are pictures of rasul allah saws not good once
but very bad,and they try and make muhammad saws look like a evil
man..some danish imams says about the book that this writter Kåre
Bluitgen made on muhammad saws is like the devil would describe
himself...
In denmark there are book shops with good books on Rasul Allah saws and
even last year a new good book on muhammad saws came out written by a
danish muslim..But peopel overlook that.But now in the holy name of free
press when a book comes out in order to provoke muslim and islam its a
bestseller.

Some Danish politcian like the Party called Free Denmark who is a team that
only have a agenda to spred lies about islam to every dane!

her are some words of this party called (free Denmark)

Words of the head master of the party Michael Ellegaard (Boycot every shop
in denmark like some islamic contrys boycot us.Dondt by the pizza muslims
make nore shop in there shops everywhere in denmark.Boycot oil from islamic
contrys and dondt travel to muhammadan contrys boycot air planes to islamic
contrys.Go in the street and tell what islam is really about.Give islams
prophet the finger aswell as the muslim her..)

in a respond to me..i had a dialog with this man here is what he wrote to
me.

(where the smells of pig there must be a muslim & islam)

to abdallah Andersen i dondt whant to her from your stupid mother father
sister ore brother because you all smell like ****.so you and your family
can go elswere and get the hell out of denmark i hate you muslim so
much.you all smell like ****.

This man dondt know i converted to islam years back..so denmark is my home
aswell contry..This is not the first time muslim her get these letters
telling us to get the hell out of denmark..some imams at the moment get
threat letteres send to them and the local news papers in denmark write all
kind of stuff about them

This party called free denmark i call almost a nazi org also have statement
on ther web-site where on member says about the Holy Quran its like toilet
paper

this past sunday the 12/2 this man Michael Ellegaard march forth with a man
called Moses Hansen who have his own aganda against muslim called (muhammad
is dead,jesus lives) he calls the prophet muhammad the worst thing like the
most evil man ever........a pædofile.. a woman beater....a killer...islam
is the religion of satan..and so forth

the web-site www.fritdk.dk is written in danish.....

This man Michael Ellegaard have yoused himself violent mesure once, as he> cut a young mans face with a knife in a public garden her in denmark..he
lies alomst everyday about islam muslim & muhammad saws.

This past week we saw in denmark a muslim grave yeard was destroy, stones
and wood was broken..who left some muslim heart broken..ofcause


Now the danish news papers write that the danes her in a pool they
made..says that they dondt really enymore have respect for muslims..so the
tone is hard everyday in the media...

Muslims a threat to Danish Religion





Minister of Social Affairs Karen Jespersen: "We should have listened to Per Madsen…"


An opinion poll conducted by Sonar shows that Danes are becoming increasingly opposed to Islam. 56% of Danes consider the roughly 130,000 Muslims in Denmark as "a threat to the Danish religion and culture" (Source: Jyllands-Posten, 26.9.) A similar Sonar-Poll conducted in 1997 put the figure at 46%. The greatest resistance to Islam is to be found among the voters of the Danish People's Party (Dansk Folkeparti), where the figure is a predictable 94%.


Another Sonar-inquiry shows, that 48% would "react negatively" if a Muslim woman, wearing a headscarf, were to work the checkout at the supermarket (source: Jyllands-Posten, 30.9.).


A third Sonar-inquiry shows, that 41% of Danes want refugee- and immigration policy put to the people in a referendum (source: Jyllands-Posten, 3.10.). Among Danish People's Party voters, 88% are in favour of a referendum.


Jørgen Bæk Simonsen , leader of the Carsten Niebuhr Institute at Copenhagen University, sees a growing cultural racism in Denmark: "For more than ten years I have been travelling the length and breadth of the country, holding talks on Muslims and Islam and for the most part I have never experienced any actual racist attitude in Denmark. On the other hand, I do experience a form of cultural racism, where the negative attitude to Muslims is "packed in" in politically correct attitudes, e.g. the position of women in society. And this attitude is obviously, that Islamic culture is inferior to Danish culture. But this is caused to a large degree by the fact that the Danes cannot or will not hear what Muslims are saying." (Jyllands-Posten, 26.9.)


Minister of social affairs Karen Jespersen is probably a perfect example of this "not actually racist", but "culturally racist" attitude, draped in the mantle of politically correct opinions and beliefs: "It is a big mistake to view the cultural differences as something symbolic, on a par with our "roast pork" and "Christmas Day". For many immigrants, it's a question of completely different norms, not least in attitudes towards women. It simply won't do: If immigrants want to remain in this country, then they have to be part of Danish society. This does not mean that they have to cast aside all of their culture, but basically they have to learn to function under the terms of the Danish society." (B.T., 22,10.) Karen Jespersen continues: "We must likewise go on the offensive against the extremely intolerant attitude some immigrants display towards Danes. For example, hassling girls that wear oversized trousers, or boys that dress differently than they do themselves. In a worst-case scenario, it could end with gangs of young immigrants terrorising a local community. I have unfortunately myself experienced a very prejudicial attitude towards Danes. This could result in very dangerous and heavy-handed conflicts, because of course; Danes will not accept this in the long run (…) It was a major betrayal of young immigrants, that the Danish society quietly accepted such reprehensible practices as arranged marriages and forced marriages. From the Danish point of view, many saw it as a "cultural peculiarity" which immigrants should be allowed to practice. Instead of going on the offensive against these misogynist attitudes."


In the same interview, the minister of social affairs maintains that "We should have listened to Per Madsen" Ishøj's Social Democratic Lord Mayor (Ishøj is a satellite town to Copenhagen). "He drew attention to these problems at a very early stage -- and was very unpopular. But he was proved to be more right than we were prepared to give him credit for at the time."


This Per Madsen, who Karin Jespersen is now bringing in from the cold, is the same individual who in The Danish Society's (Danske Forenings) member's journal, amongst other things, expressed the view that "Muslims are still living in the middle ages, with an oppression of women and female culture which is unheard of in this country. Women are bought and sold as if they were cattle, and women are beaten and mistreated" (Danskeren [The Dane] no.1, 1989, p.3).


The Social Democratic leadership have certainly shifted position in the course of the last ten years. Right into the arms of The Danish Society's stereotypical image of foreigners as the enemy -- even though the Social Minister still makes a mild effort to make it seem more palatable.





Glistrup's resurrection


At the Progress Party's (Fremskridtspartiets) annual convention in 1997, 80% voted no to the re-admission of Mogens Glistrup to the party from which he was excluded in 1991, but to the shock of the party's parliamentary members, he was once again voted into the party he founded during the convention of 1999. 236 delegates voted for, while 131 delegates, together with the four parliamentary members, voted against.


He was not many minutes returned to the party before he wreaked havoc at the annual convention, when as a newly admitted member, he found himself ineligible as a candidate to the central committee and loudly accused the party leadership of being corrupt and rotten and threatened with a court case.


Glistrup demanded to be the party's campaign leader and made it clear that there was a need for a completely new party manifesto -- and concerning what had just been adopted: "It is only fit for the bin." (Jyllands-Posten, 27.9.) During the following days, Glistrup made the headlines with statements about selling Muslim girls to Paraguay and deporting all Muslims out of the country, and the Progress Party's four members of Parliament collectively resigned from the party in protest and founded the movement "Freedom 2000" (Frihed 2000).


According to Glistrup, his tactic was to intentionally cause havoc: "Hopefully I have trod on so many toes, that just like my other comments, it will be remembered for many years to come. The Progress Party's only chance is to wake those who have been lulled to sleep. We shouldn't try to enamour ourselves to the old politicians." (Jyllands-Posten, 30.9.) "The goal was to get in and cause havoc. That, in essence, is what the Progress Party thrives on." (Jyllands-Posten, 1.10.)


It was "a capital blunder to say yes to Glistrup again", wrote Jyllands-Posten in it's editorial the 1.10; "He's mad" was written on the first page of Ekstra Bladet the 13.10. None of the daily newspapers supported Glistrup's comments; nevertheless, the Progress Party's electoral support rose with the resurrection of Glistrup, from 1.5% to 3.4% in the space of a few days, according to a "Gallup Poll" in Politiken.


And on the background of a political message, the more supercilious of which, we undoubtedly would have to return to Nazi Germany to find:


"We just can't import Mohammedans and more Mohammedans, and it's only to annihilate and kill Danes that they come here." (Denmark's TV2-News, 27.9)


"They get three months to leave the country. And if they don't leave, then they will be rounded up and put in camps, like we had the refugees in at one time, and invite people to submit tenders, those who will pay the most, they get them. For example, Paraguay says: 'We would like 6,000 Mohammedan girls between the ages of 12 and 20, and we would like to pay five million for them,' yea, and these five millions, they end up in the Danish state coffers, don't they." (DR-P3's radio program "U-land", 28.9.)


"I suggest an extra 8,000 officers. Such a force would be necessary to round up the Mohammedans when the law is adopted, and in the meantime they can be used against the bikers, junkies and burglars." (Jyllands-Posten, 1.10.)


"Of course I'm a racist -- all good Danes are. Either you're a racist, or else you're a traitor." (Berlingske Tidende, 11.10.)


"Have you never heard, the way subjects like Barsebäck (Swedish nuclear power plant in the vicinity of Copenhagen) or pesticides in farm produce and so on, are discussed? Any and every doubt, should be to the detriment of the malign, and that is why it doesn't matter if we happen to deport 100,000 too many. We are already too many on the Danish soil, so if we happen to deport 3-4-500,000 too many, than that's OK. It would be worse if we deported too few." (Ekstra Bladet, 13.10.)


At a meeting in November, the Progress Party's representative committee, decided yet again to distance themselves sharply from Glistrup's comments, but nevertheless, decided to keep him on as a member and parliamentary candidate. So in that way the party plays it safe -- who knows, he might even attract (yet) more voters…





Ekstra Bladet's new campaign against immigrants


On the 24th Oct. Ekstra Bladet launches its third campaign directed against immigrants within the space of the last few years: "The New Denmark".


In a full-page advertisement in bold print, it states: "In Denmark I was not born, but here I make my home." The advertisement proclaims, that there now are "413.873 people with foreign backgrounds" living in Denmark -- of course this includes everybody, whether they be American and Australian or African and Asian. Not withstanding, it is the Muslims who for the most part, are the exclusive focus of the campaign, as for example, the Muslim who wishes to " Islamise the whole world", while no Christian, with for instance, an American pedigree, clutters up the headlines. Apparently, it is neither unusual, nor sensational and suspect to find for example, an ex- American who wishes to "Americanise the whole world" or Christianise.


In the campaign's introduction article, Ekstra Bladet's chief editor, Sven Ove Gade writes, that for sure there can be "no doubt" that "gross discrimination of foreigners is an everyday occurrence" after which deep-felt expression for "objectively" to part the sun and the wind the following observation is upheld: "One of the major stumbling-blocks is religion, more precisely Islam which is a political religion, where the goal, at least as far as the Islamic fundamentalists are concerned, is the introduction of a religious state, and where Islamic Sharia law takes precedence over the civil, earthly law. Islamic law is God's law, and God can hardly be accommodated [under] the democratic decisions of the Danish democracy."


That "fundamentalists" are to be found in every religion -- and every political trend -- is apparently of little or no relevance, and Gade's characterization of "the Islamic fundamentalists" is led neatly and gracefully to an identification of these "fundamentalists" and that which he terms "a reality" which also is presented as a depiction of Denmark: "It is a reality which has to be considered -- Danes and Muslim immigrants -- for if we allow Islamic law to take precedence over Danish law, then it will not be long before Danish society is transformed."


The next step is for this "a reality" just as neatly and gracefully to become "the reality" and after that to become "this brutal reality": "Brutal maybe, but that's reality. And it is this reality which every Muslim must consider, if he or she wishes to become an equal member of the Danish society."


Brutal manipulation and propaganda, maybe, but that is the scope of Sven Ove Gade's reality.





No Muslims for us please, we are Danes





A wave of xenophobia is sweeping Denmark, but its nice Nordic people reject any charges of racism - arguing, without any trace of irony, that as 'nationalists and Christians' they merely object to having 'Muslims and Arabs' in their midst. And since the country has a tiny immigrant population and, unlike States in southern Europe, does not fear an influx of Muslim job- or asylum-seekers, especially given its high rates of employment, the Islamophobia gripping the land must have been long-standing as well as deep-seated.


Most Danes will resent a charge of racism, arguing that the current xenophobia is temporary and stems from the perception of many Danish people that refugees and immigrants - mostly from the Middle East and Africa - are doing better under the country's generous welfare system than they are.


Even those who admit that there is a growing tide of racism tend to draw a distinction between racism and antipathy to a religion, which is alien to the country's western and Christian civilisation. Hans Jorgen Nielsen, professor of political science at Copenhagen University, said in a recent newspaper interview that while that perception is responsible for the rising xenophobia, the brunt of the resentment is directed against Muslims and Arabs - adding that the Vietnamese are popular.


'What seems to be out there is the feeling about immigrants that we get too little, and they get too much,' he told the International Herald Tribune. 'There are real racists out there, but they are a few. It is not a cosmopolitan society here. Some surveys show that the first and foremost opposition is the Muslim groups and the Arabs. The Vietnamese are absolutely popular.'


Nielsen implied that the real reason why Muslims were detested and the Vietnamese refugees lionised was the formers' greater resistance to assimilation. 'The negative feelings relate to how difficult it is to integrate people,' he said.


The anti-Islamic feeling is being whipped up by the rhetoric of a new and tiny political party that wants all immigrants to be deported and immigration laws to be tightened. Founded in 1995, the Danish Peoples Party (DPP) is led by Mrs Pia Kjaersgaard, a '50-year-old middle-class housewife and mother of two grown children,' as she describes herself.


Kjaersgaard, whose party is Denmark's answer to France's National Front, does not like Jean-Marie Le Pen, who leads the Front - dismissing him as a racist, and racism as a crime. But while calling racism a crime, this mother of two describes her own brand of xenophobia as 'nationalism', complaining that the word 'racism' is too readily applied to mere 'nationalists' like her. And she feels no qualms about calling for the expulsion of Muslims, calling them a problem, but Jews who are doing a 'good job.'


'It is a crime to be a racist, awful, and I don't like what I read about Le Pen of France,' Kjaersgaard said in a recent newspaper interview. 'I think the Muslims are a problem,' she added without any hint of irony. 'They are quite as good people as you or me. But it is a problem in a Christian country to have too many Muslims. We have had Jews for many years and they do a very good job.'


Her problem with Muslims, as distinct from Jews, is that they are not prepared to be assimilated, and that they simply do not like her - a rare frankness in a litany of fudge designed to camouflage her fierce racism.


'You must not show a negative attitude toward our traditions and that is the case, I think, for the Muslims,' she explained. 'They don't like me.'


Racists like this 'Christian' and 'Liberal Nordic' Lady do not care whether Muslims like them or not. Kjaersgaard's aim is to put her fledgling party on the map on the strength of her anti-Muslim rhetoric.


The first electoral test for the success of her rhetoric came on November 19, when the results of the first local elections (or national for that matter) held since the establishment of her party in 1995 were published. As her tiny and unknown party captured 7 per cent of the votes, she clearly had no complaint about the effectiveness of her anti-Muslim campaign. The DPP fielded candidates in 142 of Denmark's 275 districts, according to figures from the interior ministry.


Kjaersgaard saw the results as 'this fantastic breakthrough', describing them only as 'a beginning', and predicting that the party would 'go far' in the parliamentary elections that must be held by next September.


She had no doubt - and was frank enough to announce - that her party's electoral success was due to the voters' concern about immigration. 'These results showed that voters have had enough of the government's passive policy on immigration and said clearly that enough is enough,' she said during a television debate on November 19.


As foreign nationals account only for 4.5 percent of Denmark's population of 5.5 million, they are not that visible. Kjaersgaard's success in whipping up so much Islamophobia in such a short time in an environment lacking an immigration crisis must be due to the wider antipathy latent in the west's crusader psyche.


Well i know that some Imam from denmark have all said! that they think the Boycot should stop against Denmark! i must say (me) i am for it,I DONDT accept that they talk this way on Muhammad Salla Allahy alayhl wa sallam! Islam and so forth BELIVE me it hasent STOP her in littel Denmark...

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We are proud that we are not free in this world - Not free in the sense that every action and thought has moral constraints. We are slaves to Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'laa. This is our Theology and Ideology. If you have a problem with it then you are responsible for what you believe.

The problem is when you are using your theology and ieology to constrain others...
 
"I recommend you read Voltaire: 'I may not like what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.'"

That's actually a quote by the writer, Evelyn Beatrice Hall aka S.G. Tallentyre. But that's a common misquote :)
 
Since I'm doing quotes, here's some more. I know it's a waste of time but here goes anyway.

"If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell

"If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech." Noam Chomsky

"The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish." Robert H. Jackson

"The principle of free thought is not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought we hate." US Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

To answer the question "Do Muslims believe in free speech?" (with some exceptions) the answer is "No"
 

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