Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to actually teach myths like "blood libel"Nazi tales

[Trumble]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews

Wow that's funny, I'm still not seeing where I CONDEMNED JUDAISM.

That's how I interpreted the sentence I highlighted, as a suggestion that it is Jews (and Christians) who 'hate' muslims, as opposed to the other way around. I do appreciate that the context was more rhetorical than a serious suggestion.

If that interpretation was incorrect, I apologise.

 

[Les_Nubian]

Look, I have absolutely nothing against Jews. I know that there are plenty of Muslims out there who hate Jews, as there are plenty of Jews who hate Muslims. I know that they are not representing the entire Jewish nation or the entire Muslim population. Obviously, because I am a Muslim with nothing but respect for Judaism. Seriously. I have nothing against any religion.

But I am honestly sick of people who claim to be so "religious" and "pious", but then go on national television and bash an entire group of people. Then they act like they want to "open up dialogue". I'm sorry, but you don't slap someone in the face and then say "let's talk". That's now how it works.

And I accept your apology Trumble.

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to actually teach myths like "blood libel"

The "Blood Libel" was invented by anti-semetic, anti-non-Christian, Cathloics, and other Christians, to rile up mobs and create a "Jewphobia" similar to "Islamaphobia". It was prven that the Jews did not "ritually sacrifice children and put them in bread", and it would be against Jewish law to do so.

Muslims now are using this old propoaganda to energize hatred of Jews in their countries.

You can see a brainwashed idiot, who is posting here trying to spread this myth, about Jews.

Funny you say that, I never have met any. I must be reading the wrong book's. ^o)

 

[Fishman]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to

Jews do not recongnize Arabs or Muslims as descendants of Ishmael, therefore, our Torah does not say Muslims are that way because we view you as seperate.

Jews and Arabs are very similar linguistically, genetically and 'racially'. Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic are all semetic languages, and whoever denies that is dening obvious facts.

Neo-nazis hate Israel because they hate Jews. Muslim extremists hate Jews because they hate Israel. It's not the same phenomenon, although they are both still very bad.

 

[جوري]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to

Jews do not recongnize Arabs or Muslims as descendants of Ishmael, therefore, our Torah does not say Muslims are that way because we view you as seperate.

lol! ...
we view you as seperate too especially those of you of Ashkenazic descent... and that is something that is actually visible to the naked eye...

 

[Muslim Knight]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to

Jews do not recongnize Arabs or Muslims as descendants of Ishmael, therefore, our Torah does not say Muslims are that way because we view you as seperate.

Ashkenazi Jews aren't descendants of Isaac either. Nor Israel. They're just Europeans who converted into Judaism. What makes their claim to Jerusalem legitimate?

 

[IzakHalevas]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to

Ashkenazi Jews aren't descendants of Isaac either. Nor Israel. They're just Europeans who converted into Judaism. What makes their claim to Jerusalem legitimate?

Actually your claim is a myth. I will explain:

Apart from the historical evidence proving that a vast majority of present-day Jews did not descend from the Khazars, there is now also genetic evidence. Among the Jews there is the class of priests called Cohanim who served in the Temple and who now carry surnames such as "Cohen" and many variations on that name. Cohanim comprise of about 5% of the male Jewish population. There are strict rules of marriage for the Cohanim and the title is only passed through the male line. Also, converts cannot become Cohanim (but their children will be if they have a Cohen as a father). The priestly line is descended directly from the Aaron of the bible so it is expected that all Cohanim would carry some common genetic features.

In recently published work (1) it was found that 54% of self-identified Cohanim had common genetic features that were revealed by analysis of their DNA. Specifically, a component of the Y-chromosone, an allele YAP+ DYS19, was identified that showed up only 1.5% of the time in Cohanim but 18.4% of the time in a random selection of non-Cohanim Jews and there were other genetic differences apparent as well. (The same differences were apparent for both Sepphardic and Askhenazic Jews also proving a common origin pre-dating a later split between the two groups.)

The large number of Cohanim among present-day Jews and the fact that they have a common genetic lineage traceable to Israel at the time of the Temple, demonstrates that modern Jews come from a population pool derived from Israel and not from the Khazars. The Khazars could not have developed their own lineage of Cohanim anyway, since being a Cohen is a male-inherited status which converts (the Khazars) could not have obtained.

(1) Skorecki K; Selig S; Blazer S; Bradman R; Bradman N; Waburton PJ; Ismajlowicz M; Hammer MF (1997) Y chromosomes of Jewish priests. Nature, 385:32.

A genetic marker is a variation in the nucleotide sequence of the DNA, known as a mutation. Mutations which occur within genes -- a part of the DNA which codes for a protein usually cause a malfunction or disease, and is lost due to selection in succeeding generations. However, mutations found in so-called "non-coding regions" of the DNA tend to persist.

Since the (male) Y chromosome consists almost entirely of non-coding DNA, it would tend to accumulate mutations. Since it is passed from father to son without recombination, the genetic information on a Y chromosome of a man living today is basically the same as that of his ancient male ancestors, except for the rare mutations that occur along the hereditary line. A combination of these neutral mutations, known as a haplotype, can serve as a genetic signature of a man's male ancestry. Maternal genealogies are also being studied by means of the m-DNA (mitrocondrial DNA), which is inherited only from the mother.

Dr. Skorecki then made contact with Professor Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona, a leading researcher in molecular genetics and a pioneerin Y chromosome research. Professor Hammer uses DNA analysis to study the history of populations, their origins and migrations. His previous research included work on the origins of the Native American Indians and the development of the Japanese people.

A study was undertaken to test the hypothesis. If there is a common ancestor, the Cohanim should have common genetic markers at a higher frequency than the general Jewish population.

In the first study, as reported in the prestigious British science journal, "Nature" (January 2, 1997), 188 Jewish males were asked to contribute some cheek cells from which their DNA was extracted for study. Participants from Israel, England and North America were asked to specify whether
they were a Cohen, Levi or Israelite, and to identify their family background.

The results of the analysis of the Y chromosome markers of the Cohanim and non-Cohanim were indeed significant. A particular marker (YAP-), was detected in 98.5 percent of the Cohanim, and in a significantly lower percentage of non-Cohanim.

In a second study, Dr. Skorecki and associates gathered more DNA samples and expanded their selection of Y chromosome markers. Solidifying their hypothesis of the common ancestor of Cohanim, they found that a particular array of six chromosomal markers were found in 97 of the 106 Cohanimtested. This collection of markers has come to be known as the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH) -- the standard genetic signature of the Jewish priestly family. The chances of these findings happening at random is greater than one in 10,000.

The finding of a common set of genetic markers in both Ashkenazic and Sephardic Cohanim worldwide clearly indicates an origin pre-dating the separate development of the two communities around 1000 CE. Date calculation based on the variation of the mutations among Cohanim today yields a
time frame of 106 generations from the ancestral founder of the line, some 3,300 years, the approximate time of the exodus from Egypt, the lifetime of Aaron the Cohen.

TRIBAL DESCENT
Professor Hammer was recently in Israel for the Jewish Genome Conference.
He confirmed that his findings are consistent: over 80 percent of self-identified Cohanim have a common set of markers. The finding that less than one-third of the non-Cohen Jews who were tested possess these markers is not surprising to the geneticists. "Jewishness" is not defined genetically. Other Y chromosomes can enter the Jewish gene pool through conversion or through
a non-Jewish father. Jewish status is determined by the mother. Tribe membership follows the father's family line.

Calculations based on the high rate of genetic similarity of today's Cohanim resulted in the highest "paternity-certainty" rate ever recordedin population genetics studies -- a scientific testimony to family faithfulness.

Wider genetic studies of diverse present-day Jewish communities show a remarkable genetic cohesiveness. Jews from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North Africa and European Ashkenazim all cluster together with other Semitic groups, with their origin in the Middle East.

 

[IzakHalevas]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to

Ashkenazi Jews aren't descendants of Isaac either. Nor Israel. They're just Europeans who converted into Judaism. What makes their claim to Jerusalem legitimate?

First off, "Ashkenaz" Jews do not make up the majority of Israeli's, actually only about 30% are Ashenaz Jews. The rest are "Mizrakhi" or "Sefard" Jews who you would think are Arabs.

The Jewish presence in "the Holy Land" -- at times tenuous -- persisted throughout its bloody history. In fact, the Jewish claim -- whether Arab-born or European-born Jew -- to the land now called Palestine does not depend on a two-thousand-year-old promise. Buried beneath the propaganda -- which has it that Jews "returned" to the Holy Land after two thousand years of separation, where they found crowds of "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" -- is the bald fact that the Jews are indigenous people on that land who never left, but who have continuously stayed on their "Holy Land." Not only were there the little-known Oriental Jewish communities in adjacent Arab lands, but there had been an unceasing strain of "Oriental" or "Palestinian" Jews in "Palestine" for millennia.1

The Reverend James Parkes, an authority on Jewish/non-Jewish relations inthe Middle East, assessed the Zionists' "real title deeds" in 1949.2

It was, perhaps, inevitable that Zionists should look back to the heroic period of the Maccabees and Bar-Cochba, but their real title deeds were written by the less dramatic but equally heroic endurance of those who had maintained the Jewish presence in The Land all through the centuries, and in spite of every discouragement. This page of Jewish history found no place in the constant flood of Zionist propaganda.... The omission allowed the anti-Zionists, whether Jewish, Arab, or European, to paint an entirely false picture of the wickedness of Jewry trying to re-establish a two thousand-year-old claim to the country, indifferent to everything that had happened in the intervening period. It allowed a picture of The Land as a territory which had once been "Jewish," but which for many centuries had been "Arab." In point of fact any picture of a total change of population is false....

It was only "politically" that the Jews lost their land, as Parkes reminded us. They never abandoned it physically, nor did they renounce their claim to their nation -- the only continuous claim that exists. The Jews never submitted to assimilation into the various victorious populations even after successive conquerors had devastated the Jewish organizational structure. But, more important, despite becoming "much enfeebled in numbers and deprived both of political and social leaders and of skilled craftsmen,"3 the Jews, in addition to their spiritual roots, managed to remain in varying numbers physically at all times on the land.

Thus, despite "physical violence against Jews and pagans" by the post-Roman Christians, more than forty Jewish communities survived and could be traced in the sixth century -- "twelve towns on the coast, in the Negev, and east of the Jordan [land ihat was part of the Palestine Mandate, called Transjordan in 1922, and declared the "Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan" only thirty-odd years ago] and thirty-one villages in Galilee and in the Jordan Valley."4

In A.D. 438 the Jews from Galilee optimistically declared, "the end of the exile of our people" when the Empress Eudocia allowed the Jews to pray again at their holy temple site.5 Recent archaeological discoveries determine that in A.D. 614 the Jews fought along with the Persian invaders of Palestine, "overwhelmed the Byzantine garrison in Jerusalem," and controlled that city for five years.6 By the time the Arabs conquered the land two decades later, the Jews "had suffered three centuries of Christian intolerance, and monkish violence had been spasmodic during at least half of that period."7 And the Jews hopefully welcomed the Arab conquerors.

The Muslim Arabs who entered seventh-century Jerusalem found a strong Jewish identity. At that time, "we have evidence that Jews lived in all parts of the country and on both sides of the Jordan, and that they dwelt in both the towns and the villages, practicing both agriculture and various handicrafts"* A number of Jews lived in Lydda and Ramle-which have been identified by modem propaganda and even by more serious documents as historically "purely Arab" towns. "Large and important communities" of Jews lived "in such places as Ascalon, Caesarea and above all Gaza, which the Jews ... had made a kind of capital [when] ... they were excluded from Jerusalem.'"8

Jericho was home to many Jews9 -- the seventh-century Jewish refugees from Khaibar in Arabia among them. Khaibar had been a thriving Jewish community to the north of Mecca and Medina. After the Jews had "defended their forts and mansions with signal heroism," the Prophet Muhammad had "visited upon his beaten enemy inhuman atrocities," and "by the mass massacre of... men, women and children," the Prophet of Islam exterminated "completely" two Arabian Jewish tribes.10

The consequences of the war were catastrophic. For centuries the Jews of Khaibar had led a life of freedom, peace, labor and trade; now they had to bow under the yoke of slavery and degradation. They had prided themselves on the purity of their family life; now their women and daughters were distributed among and carried away by the conquerors.11

An Arab "notable" from Medina, who visited the site of hostilities afterward, was quoted by a ninth-century Arab historian:

Before the Moslem occupation, whenever there was a famine in the land, people would go to Khaibar.... The Jews always had fruit, and their springs yielded a plentiful supply of water. After the conquest of Khaibar, the Jews were said to design evil schemes against the Moslems. But hunger pressed us to go to their fields.... We found the landscape completely changed. We met none of the rich Khaibar landowners, but only destitute farmers everywhere ... When we moved on to Kuteiba we felt much relieved....12

The Jewish survivors from the area surrounding Khaibar were expelled from "the Arabian Peninsula" when the extent of the Muslim conquest was sufficient to add enough Arab farmers and replace the detested Jews. [See Chapter 8] Based on the Prophet Muhammad's theory, Caliph Omar implemented the decree "Let not two religions co-exist within the Arabian Peninsula."13

The Arab theologians' 1968 conference, 1,300 years later, continued to justify the Khaibar extermination of its Jews. One participant explained: ... Omar ... got experience that the Jews were the callers and instigators of the sedition at any time and everywhere. He purified Arabia from them. Most of them dwelt at Khaibar and its neighborhood. That was because he was informed that the Prophet said while he was dying: "Never do two religions exist in Arabia." [Sheikh Abd Allah Al Meshad]14

Another Arab participant at that conference emphazised,

All people want to get rid of the Jews by hook or by crook.... People are not prejudiced against them but the Jewish evil and the various wicked aspects ... are quite clear....

When Bani Qoraiza were punished, an end was put to the Jews of Madina. Those Jews had been the strongest, the richest and the most pernicious and harmful ones. They had been deeply rooted in the society and they had had a high rank and an important status....

Some orientalists ignore the various reasons why the Jews of Khaibar and others were punished.... These orientalists alleged that the invasion of Khaibar was launched because the Prophet wished to reward the Muslims of Hodaibeya and comfort them.... but we have mentioned the most evident reasons of the punishment befalling the Jews. The question of the booty is casual and always subsidiary for waging the wars of the Prophet. It is mentioned in the Verses of the Quran about Jihad [holy war] as a secondary reason for striving against the Unbelievers. [Muhammad Azzah Darwaza]15

The seventh-century Jewish refugees from Khaibar's environs joined the indigenous Jewish population in "Transjordan, especially in Dera'a." In fact, Arabian Jewish exiles settled "as far as the hills of Hebron," but had they not "intermarried" with the established Jewish communities and connected somehow to the "Diaspora centers, they [the Jewish settlements] could hardly have survived as Jewish communities for hundreds of years." A settled Jewish community was present then in the northern Transjordanian city of Hamadan, "or Amatus" -"a city famed for its palms"-in the area that one day would be part of the League of Nations' [See Chapter 12] Mandated "Jewish National Home" in Palestine.16

The Christian Crusaders of the eleventh century were merciless but unsuccessful in their efforts to remove any vestige of Jewish tradition. In 1165, Benjamin of Tudela, the renowned Spanish traveler, found that the "Academy of Jerusalem" had been established at Damascus. Although the Crusaders had almost "wiped out" the Jewish communities of Jerusalem, Acre, Caesarea and Haifa, some Jews remained, and whole "village communities of Galilee survived."

Acre became the seat of a Jewish academy in the thirteenth century. And while "many may have merged themselves into the local population, Christian or Muslim," the Jews "stayed, to share and suffer from the disorder" of the aftermath of the Crusaders' "feudalism,"17 resisting conversion. During the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, "there was a constant trickle of Jewish immigrants into the country ... some from other Islamic territories and especially North Africa."18


Jews from Gaza, Ramle, and Safed were considered the "ideal guides" in the Holy Land in the fourteenth century, as Jacques of Verona, a visiting Christian monk, attested. After the Christian had "noted the long established Jewish community at the foot of Mount Zion, in Jerusalem," he wrote,

A pilgrim who wished to visit ancient forts and towns in the Holy Land would have been unable to locate these, without a good guide who knew the Land well, or without one of the Jews who lived there. The Jews were able to recount the history of these places since this knowledge had been handed down from their forefathers and wise men. ​

So when I journeyed overseas I often requested and managed to obtain an excellent guide among the Jews who lived there.19​

In 1438 a rabbi from Italy became the spiritual leader of the Jewish community in Jerusalem,20 and fifty years afterward, another Italian scholar, Obadiah de Bertinoro, founded the Jerusalem rabbinical school that dealt authoritatively "in rabbinic matters among the Jewish communities of the Islamic world."21

The Jews, meanwhile, were plentiful enough so that in 1486 "a distinguished pilgrim" to the Holy Land, the Dean of Mainz Cathedral, Bernhard von Breidenbach, advised that both Hebron's and Jerusalem's Jews "will treat you in full fidelity -- more so than anyone else in those countries of the unbelievers."22

The "Ishmaelite," or Islamic-bom, Jewish immigration to the Holy Land was prominent, and became intensified after the Spanish Inquisition. The Holy Land's throbbing, spirited Jewish life continued, even in Hebron, where "the prosperous Jewish community ... had been plundered, many Jews killed and the survivors forced to flee" in 1518, three years after Ottoman rule began. By 1540, Hebron's Jewry had recovered and reconstructed its Jewish Quarter, while the first Jewish printing press outside Europe was instituted in Safed in 1563.23

Under Turkish rule the Jews in Jerusalem and in Gaza maintained "cultural and spiritual unity," and Sultan Suleiman I allowed many Jews "to return to the Holy Land." In 1561, "Suleiman gave Tiberias, one of the four Jewish holy cities, to a former 'secret' Jew from Portugal, Don Joseph Nasi, who rebuilt the city and the villages around it." Nasi's efforts attracted Jewish settlement from many areas of the Mediterranean.24 And those "Ishmaelite" Jewish communities that did not or could not make the pilgrimage were nonetheless spiritually attached to their brothers in the Holy Land.


1. See Palestine Royal Commission Report (London, 1937), pp. 2-5, 7, 9, particularly p. 11, para. 23.
2. James Parkes, Whose Land?, A History of the Peoples of Palestine (Harmondsworth, Middlesex, Great Britain: Penguin Books, 1970), p. 266.
3. Ibid., pp. 31, 26.
4. Samuel Katz, Battleground: Fact and Fantasy in Palestine (New York, 1973), p. 88.
5. Avraham Yaari, 1grot Eretz Yisrael (Tel Aviv, 1943), p. 46; see F. Nau, "Sur la synagogue de Rabbat Moab (422), et un mouvement sioniste favorisk par l'imperatrice Eudocie (438), d'apres la vie de Barsauma le Syrien," Journal Asiatique, LIX (1927), pp. 189-192.
6. A. MaIamat, H. Tadmor, M. Stern, S. Safrai, Toledot Am Yisrael Bi'mei Kedem (Tel Aviv, 1969), p. 348, cited by Katz, Battleground, p. 88.
7. Parkes, Whose LandZ p. 72.
8. Ibid.; also see S.D. Goitein, A Mediterranean Society, 3 vols. (Berkeley, Los Angeles, London, 1971), vol. 2, p. 61 the main synagogue [in Ramle] was the Palestinian."
9. Al-Waqidy, ninth-century Arab historian, recorded a Jewish-settled area in Jericho in the seventh century and "there are other references to Jewish communal life in Jericho as late as the ninth century." Cited by Itzhak Ben-Zvi, The Exiled and the Redeemed (Philadelphia, 1961), p. 146.
10. Ben-Zvi, The Exiled, pp. 144-145. The Nadhir and Kainuka Arabian-Jewish tribes' "battles for their survival ... is found in Dr. Israel Ben-Zeev's remarkable book, Jews in Arabia, " Ben-Zvi states.
11. Israel Ben Zeev, Jews in Arabia, cited by Ben-Zvi, The Exiled, p. 145.
12. Ben-Zvi, The Exiled, p. 145. Ben-Zvi cites Arabian historian Al-Waqidy, as reported in Ben-Zeev, Jews in Arabia.
13. Ibid., p. 146. Ben-Zvi states that some Jews who could "produce letters of protection and treaties signed by or on behalf of the Prophet" were permitted to remain. "...there is reason to believe that these surviving Jewish communities were maintained intact until the twelfth century."
14. Quoted from SheikhAbd Allah Al Meshad, "Jews' Attitudes Towards Islam and Muslims in the First Islamic Era," in D.F. Green, ed., Arab Theologians on Jews and Israel (Geneva, 197 1), p. 22. Darwaza, "The Attitude of the Jews Towards
15. Quoted from Muhammad Azzah nto Him]-at the Islam, Muslims and the Prophet of Islam-P.B.U.H. [Peace Be Unto Him] - at the time of His Honourable Prophethood," in ibid., pp. 29-30.
16. Ben-Zvi, The Exiled, pp. 146-147 the existence of which we have records."
17. Parkes, Whose Land?, pp. 97-99.
18. Ibid., p. 110.
19. Martin Gilbert, Exile and Return, The Strugglefor a Jewish Homeland (Philadelphia and New York, 1978), p. 17. "In 1322 Jewish geographer from Florence, Ashtory Ha-Parhi, had settled in the Jezreel Valley where he wrote a book on the topography of Palestine....
20. Ibid., pp. 17-19. Elijah of Ferrara.
21. Parkes, Whose Land?, p. I 11.
22. Gilbert, Exile, p. 17.
23. Ibid., p. 21.
24. Ibid. For a more detailed account, see Joachim Prinz, The Secret Jews (New York, 1973), p. 147ff

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

Could pls provide link to your documents.

Of course all sides have two stories but it depends on which you wish to beleive.

The sum of your story want to show the right of jews to Israel.
And it also show the pictures of the brutality the jews faced by various races and religion.


But may i ask,in all that how many races have faced such high and downs in history?
The Aborigines,the Red indian,The Iban,the incans,,and so on..

Indigenous people who were enslaved tortured and persecuted by varuous winning parties.
So do they have the right to return.

If we wish to go by date then surely it is not Muslim nor Jews nor Christian who have a right to the land but those precedeing there major religions.

will that happen?

Every nation that made its mark and loses it tries to recover it old glory,but at what expense to other races?

The Jews intent on occupying Israel and Jerusalem has so far tortured and oppresed the people whom have been in that land for generation,they are now defunct and called immigrant and illegals,where as Jews who have never lived in Israel/palestine get the right of citizenship.

Perhaps the sum is this,no matter how holy you claim your race to be,chosen by god or what ever,you will never escape the endless violence.

As the Jews were torutred and oppresed by the germans..
So do now has the oppresed become the master
the Jews now oppress and torture palestinians.

the cycle continue.

But Inshallah,as in before when Jews and Christian lived and worship in peace before the creation of Palestine/Israel....so it shall again..

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much,

Salaam,

Also there is another thread on why the punished and one destroyed...in the time of Propeht Muhammad saw.

But i beleive that the reason exist in the quran and in the Islamic history but not in Jewish history.
And lavikor or was it another,who say the reason were doubful since no jews made an account of their betrayal and treachery.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Do Muslims

Salaam,

fact and figures of Jews from wikipedia..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

Although in the 11th century they comprised only 3% of the world's Jewish population, Ashkenazi Jews accounted for (at their highest) 92% of the world's Jews in 1931 and today make up approximately 80% of Jews worldwide.[5] Most Jewish communities with extended histories in Europe are Ashkenazim, with the exception of those associated with the Mediterranean region. A significant portion of the Jews who migrated from Europe to other continents in the past two centuries are Eastern Ashkenazim, particularly in the United States.

Also this is an interesting study on Askenzim Jews,their genetic makeup and who they are..

http://www.dnadirect.com/resource/how_genes_work/GH_Ashkenazi.jsp

This theory is supported by the fact that today people of Ashkenazi Jewish descent have a higher incidence of a number of mutations for specific diseases. Examples of this would be mutations in the genes that increase the risk of developing breast and ovarian cancer as well as mutations that cause the childhood neurological disorder Tay-Sachs disease and Gaucher disease.

Until recently, both religious and political factors helped to ensure that Ashkenazi Jews married other Ashkenazi Jews. Today, millions of people may be able to trace their ancestry directly to these founders. Thus, even if just a few founders had a mutation, the gene defect would become amplified in the population.

Also your article about the Y chromosome does indicate that the jews now are all ONE,,,but it does not prove that that there is a link to first priest.
And also Khazars do have their own Priests..you do know that right,so intermarriage is common...and thus it only proves that the majority are Khazars...

Also this verse is very important...

Since the (male) Y chromosome consists almost entirely of non-coding DNA, it would tend to accumulate mutations. Since it is passed from father to son without recombination, the genetic information on a Y chromosome of a man living today is basically the same as that of his ancient male ancestors, except for the rare mutations that occur along the hereditary line. A combination of these neutral mutations, known as a haplotype, can serve as a genetic signature of a man's male ancestry. Maternal genealogies are also being studied by means of the m-DNA (mitrocondrial DNA), which is inherited only from the mother.

First off the male Y chromosome does not chage,so we males all have the same makeup as Adam....but

due to rare mutation we are different and this is the key to isolate our uniqueness.

But there is no gurantee that wihting the period of the time thena nd now there no more mutation from the first,so there is no proof that jews jnow are descendant of the first Priest...

there is just proof of their oneness but not not the lineage.

But from this we can have proof that we are all ONE due to Adam..and Eve..LOL

 

[IzakHalevas]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to

Yet 60% of Israel's Jews are Arab origin. Hmmmm... Most of the Eurpean Jews are in the USA.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to

Yet 60% of Israel's Jews are Arab origin. Hmmmm... Most of the Eurpean Jews are in the USA.

Salaam,

Jews are arab origin?

Hmm,,,Arab is a race not a religion,but in your case you would put Jew as a race or a religon.

Jew is a race and thus cannot be an arab too..

It is best to refer to people who claim the Judaic faith to be Judaist.
it is the same generalization by the west that all Arabs are muslim.

Such concoction should be dispelled especially if you claim to follow the judaic faith.

there are Jews whom are muslim,whom are christians,whom are atheist...and so on..
Like wise there are Arabs whom are muslim,chrisitan atheist,agnostics and other religions..

 

[Al-Zaara]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to actually teach myths like



You sure brother Zulkiflim?
I've never in my life heard that Jew is a race.

 

[IzakHalevas]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to actually teach myths like

You sure brother Zulkiflim?
I've never in my life heard that Jew is a race.

It isn't a race because there are black, asian, white, and arab Jews. But most Jews since they did not intermarry share common DNA traits, but look different because many converts have joined the Jewish people from whereever the lands are.

Black Jews, and White European Jews and Arab Jews share similar DNA traits closer than Arab Jews and Arab Muslims hold.

Jews were in the Holy Land way before any Muslim presence. And had a majority way longer than Muslims, until Muslim, anc Christian conqueres decided to change that.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Do Muslims

Salaam,

Yes technically Jew is a race,their religion is Judaism.

Jews and Arabs are cousins.
They are semitic.

http://wsi.matriots.com/What is a Jew.html

http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm
http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm#Who

So if you read more in depth you will find that the streotyping of Jews Judaism is false
As is Arab to Islam
As Italian is to Catholics
As is Chinese to Buddhism.

So jews is a race and Judaism is their religion.

But in the media and the world in general,to be arab is to be muslim,to be a jew is to be a judaic.

so such generalization should be rendered null.

 

[Al-Zaara]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to actually teach myths like



JazakAllah khair brother Zulkiflim for the links, I will go and see them when I have time, insha'Allah.

Though what IzakHalevas said, is there are black/white/asian Jews, so Jew is not a race.

It will take a bit time for me to research further, but I'll take my time, insha'Allah.

 

[Fishman]

Jews are not just a race, nor merely the followers of a religion. I don't think there is a good word which describes Jews, other than a 'community', or 'group'.

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to actually teach myths like

Jews are not just a race, nor merely the followers of a religion. I don't think there is a good word which describes Jews, other than a 'community', or 'group'.

It all depend's to which Jew you are talking to. Each will more or less describe it differently.

 

[IzakHalevas]

Re: Do Muslims hate jews so much, as to actually teach myths like

Though what IzakHalevas said, is there are black/white/asian Jews, so Jew is not a race.

Are Jews a race? Make the descion in your own:

(chief rabbi of israel)