Do Muslims Want the whole world to be Muslim?

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^^ why?

let me pose a simple question... Muslims believe that disbelievers will go to hell right? So if Muslim's don't want everyone to become Muslim, that means they're selfish, stuckup and watn everyone else to go to hell except them...

and if they are loving and love the best for people, why wouldn't they want everyone to become Muslim to enter paradise with them :)

hence the purpose of prophets and messengers and messages.

salamz
 
lolwatever said:
^^ why?

let me pose a simple question... Muslims believe that disbelievers will go to hell right? So if Muslim's don't want everyone to become Muslim, that means they're selfish, stuckup and watn everyone else to go to hell except them...

and if they are loving and love the best for people, why wouldn't they want everyone to become Muslim to enter paradise with them :)

hence the purpose of prophets and messengers and messages.

salamz
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I understand why you would want everyone to be a muslim, for the unselfish reasons you mentioned above.

I don't understand why a muslim would want the whole world to be under muslim rule. I would never want the whole world to be under christian rule. Being that humans err and sometimes in grotesque ways, it would never be advantageous for one religion to have complete control. This would lead to discrimination and atrocities.
 
i too can understand why you and i won't want the world to be under christian rule... history speaks for itself..

But it wasn't anywhere near as bad when the lands where under Islamic rule, the jews had their golden age under Muslim rule and there was alot of technological adn scientific developments.. while medieval europe was reeling from its darkage...

yes there was ALOT of corruption towards the end, but guess what, as soon as corruption began, that was the beginning of Muslims end :) that's something that Allah promised to always happen as soon as we become unjust.. we lose the reigns of power.

but i know what you think "living under Muslim rule = forced becoming Muslim"... but that's not true.. you're living in USA right.. you're living under their rule.. you have to abide byt he laws, but it doesnt mean you have to become a zionist christian for example.. similar in Islamic state.. you live under their rule (no promiscuity, no porn TV, no alchohol trade.. but you are perfectly free to visit your church, do whatever you want in your christian ways)

tc all the best!
 
lolwatever said:
i too can understand why you and i won't want the world to be under christian rule... history speaks for itself..

But it wasn't anywhere near as bad when the lands where under Islamic rule, the jews had their golden age under Muslim rule and there was alot of technological adn scientific developments.. while medieval europe was reeling from its darkage...

yes there was ALOT of corruption towards the end, but guess what, as soon as corruption began, that was the beginning of Muslims end :) that's something that Allah promised to always happen as soon as we become unjust.. we lose the reigns of power.

but i know what you think "living under Muslim rule = forced becoming Muslim"... but that's not true.. you're living in USA right.. you're living under their rule.. you have to abide byt he laws, but it doesnt mean you have to become a zionist christian for example.. similar in Islamic state.. you live under their rule (no promiscuity, no porn TV, no alchohol trade.. but you are perfectly free to visit your church, do whatever you want in your christian ways)

tc all the best!
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I actually know that living under Muslim rule doesn't equal being a muslim. I still wouldn't want ANY religion to rule.

Christian rule had (has) it's bad times, so did (does) Muslim rule. I think they both are equally evil and beautiful.
 
^^ i actually disagree..

based on that we wouldn't want anything to rule.. because today's rule has some seriously evil sides to it, humanity has never seen so much killing in the past few years compared to the entire history...

I would argue that as soon as Christianity ruled over another faith, there was never any freedom granted to them, as opposed to when Muslims ruled over Christians, they had full right to worship in their churches and even drink their alchohol when they proved that it was part of their ceremonies.

When the christians ruled in europe, they where arguing over the obvious, they couldn't even agree whether a woman was a Human or not.. when teh renaissance spread.. for soem odd reason taht struck fear in the priests hearts... Muslim scholars greated sciecne and math with delight, and they even used the Quran as a basis for their scientific explorations...

e.g. algebra was invented to simplify inheritence calculation, astronomy was being developed to help people find qiblah during the night, etc...
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Is this what you hope to achieve? And why may i ask?
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Here is what the Qur'an say since your asking from an Islamic perspective
To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islâmic Monotheism)

Qur'an 109:6
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لَكُمْ دِينكُمْ وَلِيَ دِين
سورة الكافرون (6 آية)
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but that still does not mean not to spread the word of God and guide non Muslims to that path... if they have accepted Islam with an honest heart then that's great, if not.. then that is fine as well.
 
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lolwatever said:
^^ i actually disagree..

based on that we wouldn't want anything to rule.. because today's rule has some seriously evil sides to it, humanity has never seen so much killing in the past few years compared to the entire history...

I would argue that as soon as Christianity ruled over another faith, there was never any freedom granted to them, as opposed to when Muslims ruled over Christians, they had full right to worship in their churches and even drink their alchohol when they proved that it was part of their ceremonies.

When the christians ruled in europe, they where arguing over the obvious, they couldn't even agree whether a woman was a Human or not.. when teh renaissance spread.. for soem odd reason taht struck fear in the priests hearts... Muslim scholars greated sciecne and math with delight, and they even used the Quran as a basis for their scientific explorations...

e.g. algebra was invented to simplify inheritence calculation, astronomy was being developed to help people find qiblah during the night, etc...
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I'm not denying that there was some glory during the Muslim rule. I also do not accept that there were not any forced conversions. Sorry if that offends you but my research has lead me to believe differently.
 
^^ oh definately no one denying that.. ill give you example, prisoners can be executed or freed right.. some prisoners obviously make the choice to become Muslim so they can escape the capital punishment...


I don't see that as being forced, but from your perspective you probably would.. but regardless hence the hadith "some people are dragged to paradisei n chains".

and let's say there where ACTUAL forced conversions... that would be the beginning of the fall of the empire.

apart from that.. all what i mentioned justifies why Islam ruling is a very good idea.
 
lolwatever said:
^^ oh definately no one denying that.. ill give you example, prisoners can be executed or freed right.. some prisoners obviously make the choice to become Muslim so they can escape the capital punishment...

I don't see that as being forced, but from your perspective you probably would.. but regardless hence the hadith "some people are dragged to paradisei n chains".

apart from that.. all what i mentioned justifies why Islam ruling is a very good idea.
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We can agree to disagree about the history.

I respect your desire to have a muslim ruled world but I would fight like mad woman to prevent it. But if it's any consolation, I'd fight like a mad woman to prevent a christian ruled world.
 
lol it's like a lil one fightling like mad to prevent an immunisation needle ;)
 
the kid is only held for a short while.. and then the benefits start flowing and he lives happily ever after :)

I think no two Muslims will differ that Umar's and Umar Ibn Abdul-Aziz where the periods which where the most ideal... (there where many others too), i think if you readup on these guys, alot of your fears will be quenched.

Infact, i'll argue something greater, Islam is the only religion which was a legal system that allowed other legal systems to flourish under it, the Christians could apply their law between themselves if they didn't want to take their matter to an Islamic court, and the jews could apply their laws amongst themselves if they too where not happy to ask Islam to be the judge.

I don't see any legal system today which allows other legal systems (e.g. Islamic law) to be practiced in full.

salamz :)
 
lolwatever said:
the kid is only held for a short while.. and then the benefits start flowing and he lives happily ever after :)

I think no two Muslims will differ that Umar's and Umar Ibn Abdul-Aziz where the periods which where the most ideal... (there where many others too), i think if you readup on these guys, alot of your fears will be quenched.

Infact, i'll argue something greater, Islam is the only religion which was a legal system that allowed other legal systems to flourish under it, the Christians could apply their law between themselves if they didn't want to take their matter to an Islamic court, and the jews could apply their laws amongst themselves if they too where not happy to ask Islam to be the judge.

I don't see any legal system today which allows other legal systems (e.g. Islamic law) to be practiced in full.

salamz :)
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I don't want my legal system controlled by a religion. I like to keep them separate.
 
well under Islam they are seperate lol... i don't knwo of any restrictions the christians had imposed on them under the Islamic government, besides them having to keep their practices and stuff localized withint heir cities etc.

salamz
 
lolwatever said:
well under Islam they are seperate lol... i don't knwo of any restrictions the christians had imposed on them under the Islamic government, besides them having to keep their practices and stuff localized withint heir cities etc.

salamz
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taxations
 
they're for your own protection, infact when the Muslims felt they where going to lose a city in Sham (around syria) they payed back the taxes they collected from the inhabitants (who where non Muslim) because they couldn't guarentee they'd defend them from the romans up in antiok..

and guess what, the taxes there aren't applicable to you, it's only for males who are above age of puberty and who aren't extremely old and frail;)

salamz
 
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why would you want to keep religion and the legal system seperate? When the legal system is based on religion that means it will be based on Gods laws, making it the perfect system... would you rather have some man-made set of laws or the law that God himself gave us?

Man made laws are faulty, Gods law is perfect and full of wisdom and justice.

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my dad has to pay half his pay check as tax!! and we live is a country that follows democracy... based on shariah he only has to pay 2.5%!! 50% tax or 2.5%? i know which one i prefer....
 
lolwatever said:
they're for your own protection, infact when the Muslims felt they where going to lose a city in Sham (around syria) they payed back the taxes they collected from the inhabitants (who where non Muslim) because they couldn't guarentee they'd defend them from the romans up in antiok..

and guess what, the taxes there aren't applicable to you, it's only for males who are above age of puberty and who aren't extremely old and frail;)

salamz
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Some sources list excessive taxes. Then again, when discussing the Islamic and Christian conversions in history it's next to impossible to find unbiased sources. So, I read both biased sources and form an opinion based upon my logic and void of my religious convictions.
 
well i'll guarentee you something, that's false, atleast as far as Islamic law is concerned.

If you look at any single of the khalifs who applied Islamic law in full, none of that happened.. the funny thing is.. opression always happens with the rulers who drank alchohol and danced to music and lived in super palaces at the cost of their people..

One thing though.. you might consider our history bias, but atleast our history is thoroughly documented and authenticated via very strict methods.. if that wasn't the case, there's many stories which make the Muslims seem to be angels, but they where rejected by Muslim scholars on grounds of inauthenticity...

Christian historians... i wonder if they have any way to verify the ifnormation they disseminate and attribtue to Islam and Muslims..

salamz
 
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