Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

[muslim brother]

brother i hear you .we are innocent .but lets also focus on the good in society.i know times are difficult.duas and sabr needed.for me too

 

[DunyaStory]

Brother, first of all, my prayers are with the dead and the families of those who lost loved ones - my thoughts are not with those who need me to admit any guilt or show any sympathy as my proof of being non violent.

I owe them nothing.

They owe me and my people - the Muslims - a MASSIVE apology for remaining ignorant about the Muslims they live alongside in this nation we call "great Britain".

They've done very little to understand us, to integrate with us - they just want us to integrate with them and lose our identity. They want us to lose the hijab, the beards, the thowbs, the miswak, and the salaat - because it's not British.

They complain that we build too many mosques when they themselves do not enter churches on Sundays - and instead of letting these disused churches turn into nightclubs (blasphemy) like they did with the church turned into a nightclub called - The Mass in Brixton - the Muslims buy them and turn them into mosques so the worship of God may continue in this land - AND THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.

These are not people WHO CARE ok?

These are those who cause corruptions in the lands.

I do not bow to their whip - I will never bow to their whip.

I will maintain my integrity and honour as a Muslim and remain "unopologetic" for crimes I did not commit.

Until they listen to reason and not the mindless media monkeying - they are not getting any conversation from me.

Every Sunday I go to speakers corner and I film the debates/discussions and on occasion I also get involved in these myself - And NEVER will any Daee apologise for these unislamic acts which are antithetical to islam itself.

Scimi

Very strong post brother, I agree with everything. From beginning to end. We are on the same page indeed
Allah hafiz !

 

[muslim brother]

there are many in our mosques and institutes who will not have to deal with much interaction with non muslims,thats a fact.
they will carry on in cocoon land and condemn of course and then say what can we do..nothing to do with us..which is true to a point.

then there are those who have to go to work/college/uni etc and have to interact with everybody and deal with this everyday.

the cocooned ones could at least allow talks in english about this whole issue.
yes some do but who do they get for the talks?
who should they be using?


the reality is as i,ve been saying for years ..talking to the brick wall in front of me..

we will all have to learn how to deal with this..all of us.

 

[Scimitar]

there are many in our mosques and institutes who will not have to deal with much interaction with non muslims,thats a fact.
they will carry on in cocoon land and condemn of course and then say what can we do..nothing to do with us..which is true to a point.

then there are those who have to go to work/college/uni etc and have to interact with everybody and deal with this everyday.

the cocooned ones could at least allow talks in english about this whole issue.
yes some do but who do they get for the talks?
who should they be using?


the reality is as i,ve been saying for years ..talking to the brick wall in front of me..

we will all have to learn how to deal with this..all of us.

Brother Ahmed Patel Saab, I love your posts, your blog, your efforts - it seems you are a kindred spirit to me. Ma sha Allah may Allah reward you abundantly for your efforts in both this life and the next, ameen.

NOW, to move forward.

Was this a false flag event? Did MI6 involve a sleeper agent who is also a Muslim in this plot? what pressure was he under and what threat was his family under from the MI6?

Why is no one willing to ask these questions?

Why did no one pick up on my post regarding MI6 on the previous page?

Are you all too afraid of what governments are watching you? Do you not realise that Allah watches us all?

We Are Weak as an Ummah.

100 years have passed since the dismantling of the khilafa, we have been humiliated and oppressed for one hundred years - your state as an UMMAH is WEAK BEYOND BELIEF.

The time is NOW RIPE for the reviver to appear.

May Allah speed him, Ameen!

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

DO NOT HUMILIATE ME BY ASKING ME TO APOLOIGISE - DO NOT HUMILIATE ISLAM BY APOLOGISING FOR CRIMES THAT ARE NOT ISLAMIC!!!

Remember who you are and what you represent - it's not your opinion you represent in this day and age - it is ISLAM. You forget that? you become toast!

Don't be toast!

Scimi

 

[DunyaStory]

DO NOT HUMILIATE ME BY ASKING ME TO APOLOIGISE - DO NOT HUMILIATE ISLAM BY APOLOGISING FOR CRIMES THAT ARE NOT ISLAMIC!!!

Remember who you are and what you represent - it's not your opinion you represent in this day and age - it is ISLAM. You forget that? you become toast!

Don't be toast!

Scimi

Altho I have come to an conclusion that I agree with you in everything you say, your way of talking is a bit too harsh. There is no need for that, it will distract people from your good thoughts.
We show them much more about us with sabr and manners. And I AM NOT saying that we should apologize, i'm just saying we should have a more tactical and strategic approach in the way we present ourselves.
There is time and place for everything brother, may Allah(swt) keep us on the right path.

 

[Scimitar]

Altho I have come to an conclusion that I agree with you in everything you say, your way of talking is a bit too harsh. There is no need for that, it will distract people from your good thoughts.
We show them much more about us with sabr and manners. And I AM NOT saying that we should apologize, i'm just saying we should have a more tactical and strategic approach in the way we present ourselves.
There is time and place for everything brother, may Allah(swt) keep us on the right path.

Honestly bro - I couldn't care less for what people make of me.

A sign of weakness in people is that they look at the delivery and ignore the message - it's idiotic and unislamic.

Even the Prophet pbuh warned people in harsh tones at times - i'm just following sunnah while you guys follow stupidity.

God bless you coz you need it.

Scimi

 

[Abz2000]

It really is weird that certain people are willing to accept any atrocity by their criminal government and it's criminal allies when their criminal government and allies invoke the false flag controlled demolition of two towers and building 7, yet are willing to close their minds to the suffering, deaths, injuries and torture of millions of innocent people based on the lies and false accusations of their governments, then when a reaction on a comparitively minor scale comes, or another false flag by their government, or it's cunning zionist, or aggressively bullying American ally for not playing the game of crime convincingly enough or for losing public opinion - they'll again turn accusatorily to the people who they abuse.

I'll be honest, I've become so desensitized to the plight hundreds of thousands of deaths, (possibly a natural psychological reaction to stop me going mad from depression) that I find it difficult to think of a relatively minor incident in the country which perpetrates unjust murder all over the globe, people need to ask their own government to stop commiting crimes if they're worried about reactions that are minor in scale and comparison.
Honestly, my brain can't even register it properly - even though I know that there might possibly (though most likely won't) be some people who care about the criminal actions and murders of their government.

They remind me of Pharaoh's people. Honestly.
It's the kids that I feel for since I'm forced to think about it due to the sheer volume of press coverage- even though their parents took them to a lewd concert.

I think I recall a report in which Queen Elizabeth's ally George Bush or Condoleezza or Susan rice said something like: the deaths of 500,000 children in Iraq was "worth it" - but Allah has protected me from becoming so sick.

Edit: it was madeleine albright

http://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/

 

[Atta Rahman]

Yes people do blame Muslims for such atrocities, but only the ignorant, gullible and outspoken critics of islam. The majority know and understand the facts of the matter and frankly, there are more non Muslims out there who speak in defence and support of Islam and Muslims. Just look at how many of them come out to protest advocating for our rights time and time again...

 

[fromelsewhere]

It really is weird that certain people are willing to accept any atrocity by their criminal government and it's criminal allies when their criminal government and allies invoke the false flag controlled demolition of two towers and building 7, yet are willing to close their minds to the suffering, deaths, injuries and torture of millions of innocent people based on the lies and false accusations of their governments, then when a reaction on a comparitively minor scale comes, or another false flag by their government, or it's cunning zionist, or aggressively bullying American ally for not playing the game of crime convincingly enough or for losing public opinion - they'll again turn accusatorily to the people who they abuse.

I'll be honest, I've become so desensitized to the plight hundreds of thousands of deaths, (possibly a natural psychological reaction to stop me going mad from depression) that I find it difficult to think of a relatively minor incident in the country which perpetrates unjust murder all over the globe, people need to ask their own government to stop commiting crimes if they're worried about reactions that are minor in scale and comparison.
Honestly, my brain can't even register it properly - even though I know that there might possibly (though most likely won't) be some people who care about the criminal actions and murders of their government.

They remind me of Pharaoh's people. Honestly.
It's the kids that I feel for since I'm forced to think about it due to the sheer volume of press coverage- even though their parents took them to a lewd concert.

I think I recall a report in which Queen Elizabeth's ally George Bush or Condoleezza or Susan rice said something like: the deaths of 500,000 children in Iraq was "worth it" - but Allah has protected me from becoming so sick.

Edit: it was madeleine albright

http://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/

Again, more conspiracy theories.

The UK does NOT intentionally target innocent civilians. When it fights idiots like ISIS, it is aiming at the ISIS terrorists. But ISIS terrorists are cowards and force civilians to stay put or they threaten to murder the local population, so the local population in some cities and villages in Syria become hostages to ISIS and are purposefully forced to stay in war zones so that ISIS can then make armies that try to drive them out look bad. This is a well-known terrorist tactic. Note that I am not for foreign intervention in the Middle East because even though I think Western countries believe that they are helping, they are clearly not... in fact, they end up making things worse because of their poor understanding of what's going on on the grounds. They should stay at home and let the people in the Middle East resolve their conflicts on their own.

On the reverse, ISIS intentionally targets innocent civilians. Aside from the horrible murders ISIS commits, it also slanders Islam.

As for the incident with Madeleine Albright, I looked it up. It happened in 1996, and Albright was defending UN sanctions against Iraq. The journalist asked a trap yes/no question: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" Albright answered the question very poorly by saying "yes", as typical US politicians tend to do. But to imply that the half a million children died as a direct result of America's actions is simply not true. As for where that journalist got that half a million figure from is quite questionable. All deaths occurring in Iraq after the 1991 sanctions were passed were being blamed on the sanctions at the time. Either way, this is an old incident from the post-Gulf war era. This article here helps explain another anti-American "myth" of US being "evil": http://reason.com/archives/2002/03/01/the-politics-of-dead-children Please read.

Let's not get everything confused with more conspiracy theories.

Thank you.

 

[muslim brother]

as you all get older you will realize anger solves nothing.redirect your anger to the gym.punchbag,writing,walking,praying.
this is the time to act upon hadiths and sunnah.
the taif stoning of our beloved prophet and his monumental patience and dua sets a historical precedent of patience against all odds.
making angels cry..
the acknowledgement of ones complete and utter weakness but complete faith in allah.

 

[Scimitar]

Again, more conspiracy theories.

Again more drivel driven rhetorical bum licking of the west.

Scimi

 

[Eric H]

Scimi my friend,

DO NOT HUMILIATE ME BY ASKING ME TO APOLOIGISE - DO NOT HUMILIATE ISLAM BY APOLOGISING FOR CRIMES THAT ARE NOT ISLAMIC!!!

I categorically will not apologise for the Manchester bombings either, so why should you? Just promote the good in Islam as you always do.

Blessings,

Eric

 

[Scimitar]

Scimi my friend,



I categorically will not apologise for the Manchester bombings either, so why should you?

Why would anyone admit guilt by way of apology when they are not guilty?

A better question would be - why are Muslims expected to apologise for unislamic acts? Anyone can claim the acts of terrorism are done in the name of Islam - but to make THAT STICK, you'd have to find in the Qur'an and Sunnah ACTS OF TERRORISM first - and they simply DO NOT EXIST.

SO FIRST - LET US PUT OUR THINKING HATS ON, LEAVE OPINION TO THE SIDE AND MATHEMATICALLY DECUCE THE REALITY. Because logic isn't the strong point of our members - I take them back to basic math.

Just promote the good in Islam as you always do.

Blessings,

Eric

So I am.

And the good in Islam also comes in many forms, such as WARNINGS - not sweet sugar coated contempt! People misconstrue my words as harsh, while they LOL and smiley face all over the place to avoid infringing on anothers sensibilities - well for that to work, the person must be sensible - and members here are anything but sensible from what I have gathered in my time here.

I do not consider good works to simply be acts and works and advices fo kindness, but also harsh warnings when no warners are around.

In sh'Allah those who hate me now will thank me in Jannah for advising them so harshly that they actually researched what I wrote and then understood it - then - acted on it.

Anyone who thinks I am harsh, is thus, weak and unable to do what I do. They are unable to effectiely warn people of the evil they entertain.

heck just last night one person on whatsapp told me I was lucky - I had to explain that LUCK is a false concept. Allah wills. this minor shirk is what the Muslims have no idea about - replace the word LUCK with FORTUNE to be in line with Islamic reasoning, simple stuff like this is unnoticed by Muslims.

Because Muslims today are JAAHIL.

Scimi

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you fromelsewhere;

As for the incident with Madeleine Albright, I looked it up. It happened in 1996, and Albright was defending UN sanctions against Iraq. The journalist asked a trap yes/no question: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" Albright answered the question very poorly by saying "yes", as typical US politicians tend to do.

What collateral damage is acceptable for America to achieve it's goal? Madeleine Albright's answer seems to represent the views of some American politicians, half a million child deaths does not seem to be a shocking number.

But to imply that the half a million children died as a direct result of America's actions is simply not true. As for where that journalist got that half a million figure from is quite questionable.

But from Madeline's initial answer, she seemed prepared to accept anything up to half a million deaths.

All deaths occurring in Iraq after the 1991 sanctions were passed were being blamed on the sanctions at the time. Either way, this is an old incident from the post-Gulf war era.

If this was an old and never to be repeated incident, then we could shrug it off. But after 1996, America has been involved in a catalogue of military interventions and sanctions.

In the spirit of praying for justice and peace for all people.

Eric

 

[Scimitar]

Greetings and peace be with you fromelsewhere;



What collateral damage is acceptable for America to achieve it's goal? Madeleine Albright's answer seems to represent the views of some American politicians, half a million child deaths does not seem to be a shocking number.

Is that your opinion? or are you paraphrasing Madeleine Albright?

Scimi

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Scimi, as always,

Is that your opinion? or are you paraphrasing Madeleine Albright?

I am against all war, any solution that involves a gun / bomb can only produce more injustice. Sorry if my reply was ambiguous.

When Madeline said half a million child deaths was acceptable, it seems to show a clear lack of concern for children in other countries. Numbers are irrelevant, even if the true number was only ten thousand child deaths, it would be acceptable to her. And her attitude suggested that if another 490,000 deaths followed, she would still not be troubled.

I hope I am horribly wrong in what I have said. When you look at the war record of America and Britain since WW2, can we truthfully accept that we have the best intentions for all people?

In the spirit of praying for justice and peace for al people.

Eric

 

[Scimitar]

Greetings and peace be with you Scimi, as always,

And upon you as well brother Eric!

I am against all war, any solution that involves a gun / bomb can only produce more injustice. Sorry if my reply was ambiguous.

No need for apologies brother Eric, I was simply attempting to clarify that is all.

When Madeline said half a million child deaths was acceptable, it seems to show a clear lack of concern for children in other countries. Numbers are irrelevant, even if the true number was only ten thousand child deaths, it would be acceptable to her. And her attitude suggested that if another 490,000 deaths followed, she would still not be troubled.

I hope I am horribly wrong in what I have said. When you look at the war record of America and Britain since WW2, can we truthfully accept that we have the best intentions for all people?

In the spirit of praying for justice and peace for al people.

Eric

Theresa May, PM of England has also said some naughty stuff lol.

She was asked if the weapons of mass destruction lies were pushed on her - would she hesitate to nuke Iraq? She said NO - she would not hesitate for one second, and that my brother - is one GOG MAGOG of a woman. She admitted she'd nuke Iraq over a LIE !!!

And she said so with a poker face, not a shred of shame evident on it.

Scimi

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Scimitar;

Theresa May, PM of England has also said some naughty stuff lol.

She was asked if the weapons of mass destruction lies were pushed on her - would she hesitate to nuke Iraq? She said NO - she would not hesitate for one second, and that my brother - is one GOG MAGOG of a woman. She admitted she'd nuke Iraq over a LIE !!!

We the people are stupid, we are led like sheep wherever our leaders choose. Leaders have known this for centuries, Herman Goering put it plainly into words at his trial. Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair, Theresa May, George Bush and big Don know the war formula, and here it is.....

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

The constant drip feed on the war against terror has unified countries, we have a common enemy. At any time Theresa May could trigger the Herman Goering formula for war, and she would get the backing of the people, and she knows it. Jeremy Corbyn has been branded a dangerous unpatriotic pacifist, and with a general election days away, we can only pray for a God filled outcome.

In the spirit of praying for justice and peace for all people.

Eric

Eric

 

[Scimitar]

There's no such thing as a pacifist in parliament

Scimi