Do u agree that "tolerance" promoted today is a conspiracy?

[Nerd]

Here is an article by Dr. Henry Markow:

"For centuries the Masonic central bankers who control Western society and culture have been pushing "tolerance." Why?

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is a notorious "forgery" that uncannily explains our predicament. It says the Illuminati bankers want to "dislocate all collective forces which are still unwilling to submit to us." (Protocols, Section 5)

The four major collective forces are: Race, Religion, Family and Nation. They are the four pillars of our human identity.

How do you undermine them? Certainly a frontal attack would meet with spirited resistance. Instead you promote "tolerance" which destroys these collective forces by erasing the differences between them. "

if you want to read the whole article follow this link "Tolerance: a sneaky attack on your identity"

 

[Gator]

Yes I do, but its actually due to aliens from the planet Zarantha who wish to become our alien overlords.

Thanks.

 

[barney]

Tony Blair was a Lizard from Hubbardland. He flew to earth in 1950 on a DC9-like spacerocket.

If he can get to be PM, then you know that there are dark forces working, and we are all to be turned into humanistic roboslaves. A Bit like a cross between a Homersapien and Ghandi.

 

[Keltoi]

Tony Blair was a Lizard from Hubbardland. He flew to earth in 1950 on a DC9-like spacerocket.

If he can get to be PM, then you know that there are dark forces working, and we are all to be turned into humanistic roboslaves. A Bit like a cross between a Homersapien and Ghandi.

Maybe that is what they want us to think, to deflect from what is really going on....:X

 

[YusufNoor]

Here is an article by Dr. Henry Markow:

"For centuries the Masonic central bankers who control Western society and culture have been pushing "tolerance." Why?

it is bankers, period, and because they are greedy...

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is a notorious "forgery" that uncannily explains our predicament. It says the Illuminati bankers want to "dislocate all collective forces which are still unwilling to submit to us." (Protocols, Section 5)

The four major collective forces are: Race, Religion, Family and Nation. They are the four pillars of our human identity.

How do you undermine them? Certainly a frontal attack would meet with spirited resistance. Instead you promote "tolerance" which destroys these collective forces by erasing the differences between them. "

return to Islam, ban Riba and pay Zakat! that should do it. oh yeah, and print enough money to pay off all debts...

if you want to read the whole article follow this link "Tolerance: a sneaky attack on your identity"

check out these videos:

history of the Federal Reserve:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

Money As Debt:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279

 

[Azy]

print enough money to pay off all debts

If you just print off more money to pay back imaginary created money, what's the point? It's not worth anything.
I might as well write all the world's governments a check for $10 trillion trillion on the back of my underpants.

 

[Keltoi]

If you just print off more money to pay back imaginary created money, what's the point? It's not worth anything.
I might as well write all the world's governments a check for $10 trillion trillion on the back of my underpants.

Inflation is much, much worse than recession.

 

[Amadeus85]

Lately i am reading some about this masonic stuff and I must say that it is very interesting and misterious.When I was younger I was thinking that this kind of stuff is just out of the space and it should be only laughed, like you all did.. Now i can say that masons do exists, the question is whether they are as powerful as some say or not.There are proofs showing that they took part in majority of anti-catholic revolutions (in France,Portugal, Mexico). The Illuminati did exist and they were created in Bavaria in Germnay in 1 May 1776. their founder was Adam Weishaupt.He was raised by jezuits and later became atheist and enemy of the Church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt

 

[Keltoi]

Of course "Masons" exist. You can find a chapter of it in just about every town in America. Are they some elite club of type A personalities bent on world domination? I seriously doubt it.

 

[Azy]

I meant to post sooner but got sidetracked.
I watched the money as debt video, quite interesting, but while I found the information about governments and the creation of their own money interesting, it seems to me there were some things that may be a bit misleading.

The statement 'there can be infinite debt, so there can be an infinite amount of money created' is one of them. Have you ever tried to get a loan for $3 billion secured on a house worth 100,000? No, because the debt and the money created is basically just money borrowed from your future earnings, not just imagined out of nowhere at a whim.

 

[YusufNoor]

I meant to post sooner but got sidetracked.
I watched the money as debt video, quite interesting, but while I found the information about governments and the creation of their own money interesting, it seems to me there were some things that may be a bit misleading.

The statement 'there can be infinite debt, so there can be an infinite amount of money created' is one of them. Have you ever tried to get a loan for $3 billion secured on a house worth 100,000? No, because the debt and the money created is basically just money borrowed from your future earnings, not just imagined out of nowhere at a whim.

right, but i think they were saying if the bank owned the mortgage for the house, THEN they loan out 900,000 based upon the "future earnings" of the loan! it's not about what WE can borrow from the bank but about what the bank reaps on the loan that you DO get!?

thanks for watching the video. i think the point they were trying to make is that "infinite debt" is possible, as the video is a follow up on the longer one, BUT the "contraction end" of the "business cycle" is not a natural phenomenom but a precisely calculated scheme to increase the portfolio of the bankers. the longer vid goes on to describe all the worst depressions and recessions as ploya of the ownwers of the central banks.

i know that i don't accurately translate the stuff from the vid, but i found them fascinating nonetheless! [as well as scary!]

i've been trying to get folks to watch so they can explain it to me!

 

[ranma1/2]

yes, alhtough we know the real conspiracy is from the vile starberry alliance.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand wheter or not there is such a conspiracy doesn't really change my mind on tolerance. It's something good that should be sought out. On the other hand I do agree with the line of thinking that we should be weary of over-tolerance. It's a bit like anti-weapon laws. I agree that weapons are bad and should be avoided when possible, however getting rid of all weapons isn't the solution. So I would defenitly support tolerance, but only to the degree that it still allows for ones own identity. In fact if anything, tolerance is meant to protect identity, and people's birth right to have their own identity rather then fighting it.

 

[MSalman]

No, because the debt and the money created is basically just money borrowed from your future earnings, not just imagined out of nowhere at a whim.

yes but at the time when your borrow the money the actual value of that money does not exist; It is fake. Let me illustrate this with a simple example:

Let's say you deposit $100 in the bank and this is the only money that the bank have. Normally, banks keep small portion of it as reserve just in case if you withdraw and rest as available loan or to print more money out of it (recently learned in economics). Let's say for our case, bank keeps 10% as reserve and rest as available loan. Now If i go to bank and say I need $90, they will loan me those $90. Now, you own $100 and I own $90 which adds up to $190 but in reality there are only $100. There are extra fake $90 in circulation. Imagine, if we both withdraw the money at the same time, guess what will happen? Bank will print extra $90 without the existence of equivalent value. On top of that, the bank will be asking me to pay them interest on a money which in reality is fake.

I hope this makes sense!

 

[YusufNoor]

yes but at the time when your borrow the money the actual value of that money does not exist; It is fake. Let me illustrate this with a simple example:

Let's say you deposit $100 in the bank and this is the only money that the bank have. Normally, banks keep small portion of it as reserve just in case if you withdraw and rest as available loan or to print more money out of it (recently learned in economics). Let's say for our case, bank keeps 10% as reserve and rest as available loan. Now If i go to bank and say I need $90, they will loan me those $90. Now, you own $100 and I own $90 which adds up to $190 but in reality there are only $100. There are extra fake $90 in circulation. Imagine, if we both withdraw the money at the same time, guess what will happen? Bank will print extra $90 without the existence of equivalent value. On top of that, the bank will be asking me to pay them interest on a money which in reality is fake.

I hope this makes sense!

watch the 2nd vid, it's MUCH WORSE than that! the bank gets to loan the $90 10 times!

AND now with debt as money, if you borrow 200,000 from the bank, they now have an imaginary 200,000 in "reserves" that they can loan out!

AND with the Federal Reserve Bank [and other central banks] being in the hands of private stockholders, the US [for example] DOESN'T print money, the Federal Reserve does which it then lends AT INTEREST to the US!!

who needs conspiracies when the real thing is much worse!!!!

watch the vid!!

edit: in fact there is Maulana that says that paper money is haram because it is no longer backed by gold [OR ANYTHING!} and therefore has no real value!

 

[AntiKarateKid]

I wouldnt describe it as a conspiracy. The Christians tolerate what they belive is truth, MUslims theirs, Jews theirs, Hindus there. WHat matters is what Allah tolerates and we can see quite clearly that he does not tolerate ( according to Islam), Christian versions of Jesus, Jewish obstinacy in accepting prophets, Hindu idols and etc. Tolerance has its limits. Full and unadulterated tolerance is impossible. There is truth and falsehood, noone will tolerate falsehood, all that remains is to find the truth one way or another.

By the way I disagree with the pillars of humankind that you gave there

RELIGION is the identity that destroys the barriers of race, family or nation. I say salaam to black Muslims in the Mosque and dont care about their race, family or nationality. It is not even brought up.

Religion >>>>> race, nationality, family, whatever the heck else there is

 

[MSalman]

watch the 2nd vid, it's MUCH WORSE than that! the bank gets to loan the $90 10 times!

Wa'alaykum As-Salam akhi

I haven't watched the video but from what i studied in economics the banks can do that. The more reserved loan they have, the more money they can print out without the existence of equivalent value. I was trying to illustrate with a simplest example.

I do not know if people have ever thought of this before: since the paper money came into existence we have prospered and advanced in no time. All these nice looking facilities etc became possible for everyone (at least in West) in last few centuries. Off course, there is trade off in everything. What is the trade off in this case: only few people controlling the world's wealth and have turned everyone into slaves by creating fake money, loaning them out and then making the borrowers pay interest on a money which in reality does not exist. They can shut down the world anytime they want. The sudden food crisis and inflation in food prices do tell us something.

As-Salamu 'Alaykum

 

[YusufNoor]

Wa'alaykum As-Salam akhi

I haven't watched the video but from what i studied in economics the banks can do that. The more reserved loan they have, the more money they can print out without the existence of equivalent value. I was trying to illustrate with a simplest example.

I do not know if people have ever thought of this before: since the paper money came into existence we have prospered and advanced in no time.

i would say that AT TIMES [minus the 30's depression and a few recessions] the we IN THE WEST have prospered. and yet this "prosperity" seems to linked to materialism, as the proportional increase of 3% or so of "growth" helps keep the "system" well greased! and all at a decrease in spirituality. im would say that an increase in Taqwa and Imaan is better than a new couch and the latest HD-TV liquid crystal set...

All these nice looking facilities etc became possible for everyone (at least in West) in last few centuries. Off course, there is trade off in everything. What is the trade off in this case: only few people controlling the world's wealth and have turned everyone into slaves by creating fake money, loaning them out and then making the borrowers pay interest on a money which in reality does not exist. They can shut down the world anytime they want.

they actually do that partially. all they need to do is "decrease the money supply" which causes negative growth, which causes a drop in the stock market, which causes people to sell their stock and banks to refuse to lend. the "Few with the money" are able to "increase their piece of the pie" when stocks plummet and bad loans and mortgages are called in. once the redistribution of wealth is complete, all they need to do is increase the money supply - TO THE GOVERNMENT WHICH ACCEPTS IT WITH INTEREST OWED!

The sudden food crisis and inflation in food prices do tell us something.

while the 1st world lives through the "business cycles" and the 2nd world tries emulate the 1st, the 3rd languishes in the most perilous conditions on the brink of starvation and teaming with disease.
As-Salamu 'Alaykum

now, i'm no student of economics so i can be way off, BUT after watching the 1st video on the History of the Federal Reserve, which made absolute sense to me, and then watching the Debt as Money vid, my wife and i were astonished to watch lecture by Dr. Imran N. Hosien entitled The Prohibition of RIBA in the Qur'an & Sunnah; Dr Hosein's lecture include 80 to 90% of the rational of the 2 vids and we were amazed that just after grasping an [somewhat simplified] understanding of the situation that here was a Maulana warning us of the same thing!

May Allah Subhannahu Wa Ta' Aala protect us all!

 

[Azy]

edit: in fact there is Maulana that says that paper money is haram because it is no longer backed by gold [OR ANYTHING!} and therefore has no real value!

And what real value does gold have?

 

[MSalman]

^gold coins/silver coins, which were in the old times, tells us how much wealth a country has because you cannot make more gold/silver coins unless there is more gold/silver. The wealth of a country is determined by its production. If a country produces more, their wealth will increase as more people will be spending (internally and externally-exports). In the case of paper money, about 50 years ago a country needed to show equivalent value of gold for the money which they wish to print out but now it is not needed. Now we call it is "fite" money (economics term). It means that we do not need to hold gold of equivalent value and we are sure that we can exchange it with someone else.