Do we (Muslims) have too much hate in us?

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Do Muslims have too much hate in them?


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Mashalla I am very pleased with the way this discussion is taking place.

Somethings I would like to note. We Muslims truly are not the only ones to face injustice here. I was going to also list some injustice happening in our world but then I saw malsidab's post. All what he said was true without a doubt. I do not think it is fair to non-Muslims who have suffered injustice to be ignored. We need to know that we are not the only ones who have been, and are, suffering. Thinking that way in my opinion would be doing injustice to the non-Muslims who have suffered. Please do not take offense to this.

Another note I would like to make is that it is important to differentiate between having hate, and acting on hate. Sure we have plenty of reasons to hate, but what we need to do is control it. I prefer that we do not have hate at all because it makes a person more rational all together. However, if you cannot help it, then at least control it. Do not act on your hate.

There is another Hadeeth about our prophet (saw)(pbuh) that I would like to mention:
"Prophet Mohammad's (pbuh) Jewish neighbor used to throw his garbage at the door step of the prophet's (pbuh) home every morning . The Prophet (pbuh) would then pick it up and throw it in the disposal area along with his personal trash, but the Prophet (pbuh) never got angry. One day, there was no garbage and the Prophet (pbuh) went to see if the man was ill. The man was so impressed that he became a friend. Our Prophet (pbuh) then started taking care of his neighbor and the Jewish neighbor very soon embraced Islam."

This is our prophet (pbuh), and he is the example that we should follow.
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Assalamu Alaikum

very well said ekhi Cheb, excellent!
Your post was great too malsidab

Mashallah May Allah increase our wisdom, open our hearts and minds, and give us the intentions of doing well and the strength to continue to submit to him ameen

fi aman Allah
w'salaam
 
greetings and peace Cheb and thankyou for a very interesting thread,

"Prophet Mohammad's (pbuh) Jewish neighbor used to throw his garbage at the door step of the prophet's (pbuh) home every morning . The Prophet (pbuh) would then pick it up and throw it in the disposal area along with his personal trash, but the Prophet (pbuh) never got angry. One day, there was no garbage and the Prophet (pbuh) went to see if the man was ill. The man was so impressed that he became a friend. Our Prophet (pbuh) then started taking care of his neighbor and the Jewish neighbor very soon embraced Islam."
Peace is so often in the hands of the victim, the prophet pbuh could have thrown the garbage back on his neighbours doorstep and he was justified in doing this.

But like all people of peace know that kind of retaliation would have escalated into something more serious.

Peace often requires the victim to concede something and it often takes great perseverance to get the message across, but the rewards can be huge.

In the spirit of seeking peace, reconciliation and justice for all people,

Eric
 
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Thank you charisma and Eric for you input.
Eric very well said. That is exactly what we should think about whenever we are faced with a major decision. We should always revert back to the Hadith of our Prophet (pbuh) and the Quran to find the answers. The answers are always there, but the problem is that people just do not want to look for them. Anger is blinding them.
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HellRider, may I ask you a personal question? Why did you choose the username HellRider... it just makes me wonder...

Hate is never justified, but I can understand the feelings of sorrow and the anger it conjures up in a person. You look around the world and see so many situations, so many horrible things happening, it's just overwhelming. For those that don't experience it like myself I choose not to judge because I can't.

Those that do experience it first hand or personally and still refrain from actions inspired by hate or anger are those that truly follow the teachings of Islam!
 
Greetings and peace Cheb;
Anger is blinding them.

Being blind is a perfect description of anger, because the power to forgive is overlooked; we let our principles get in the way and we choose not to forgive. Maybe I can give a couple of personnel examples about forgiveness, one is really trivial and the outcome of the other made the difference between life and death.

Some years ago I was a window cleaner and a lady stopped me in the street and asked me to clean her windows, she said she would pay me on Friday. I went back and she said sorry come back again next week for the money. This went on for several months and I was going back every week for the money and becoming angrier as time went by. One day I went round and she was unloading a car full of shopping and she was almost laughing when she said I have spent all my money. I used to go home after and be angry with my wife and children because of how I felt.

I became more determined because of the injustice and it was eating away at me, I was scheming all kinds of things, like super gluing her door locks, slashing her car tyres, putting paint striper on her car.

I can’t really explain how the change came; but one day I just said to myself she wants the money more than I do, I will forgive her and not call back on her again and it felt like a huge weight had been lifted the moment I said that to myself.

When I look back it had taken me less than 15 minutes to clean her windows. I must have spent hours of my time in chasing after 15 minutes of work and countless number of hours feeling anger over several months.

My anger had made me blind to all the other good things in my life at the time.


The second instance came about after I had been cleaning an old ladies windows for a couple of years and it took longer to have a drink and a chat with her than it did to clean her windows. One day I called on her and she said if I tell you something will you promise not to tell anyone else. I thought it was going to be a bit of gossip and said yes.

She said she had just started to take some pills and she was going to end her life. I talked with her and listened to her story.

She had worked very hard during her life, her husband ran of with another woman and took most of her money at the time, and her children had used her and left her. Despite that she still managed to have a large house and a comfortable life money wise. She had a lodger at the time and he was a bit short sighted one day he kicked her dog, maybe it was an accident but the dog died in agony over the following month whining and being sick all the time.

She evicted her lodger and could not forgive him; her dog was getting old and she said it was the only thing in her life that had ever loved her for who she was and she had nothing to live for.

We talked for a couple of hours and the thing that seemed to make a difference to her was when I said death is not a problem we all die; but do you want to spend your final time on this Earth a bitter, twisted and angry woman; somehow you have to find it in your heart to forgive this man.

Just before I left I said it is pointless coming back next month to clean your windows, she said come back.

I called the following month and her kitchen had been decorated, she was planning to change the garden around, it was as if nothing had happened and she never mentioned again about giving up on life.

If I had never experienced the power to forgive in the first trivial way, I would not have understood how to help this lady.

If we do wrong then maybe it is our duty to try and ask for forgiveness so that the person we have offended will not store up all this anger in his heart.

On the television some time ago there was a lady who said that she forgave the person who had killed her son in a racially motivated attack with an axe. She said forgiving was the Christian thing to do and I can understand how this would help her live her life despite the murder of her son.
By her actions she has tested the conscience of all the white people in her area who do not hate blacks.

If we cannot forgive and store up anger in our hearts, then maybe God will judge us by this same measure.

Maybe as we learn how to forgive then we can come to some small understanding of how God can be even more forgiving.

in the spirit of seeking peace and reconciliation for all people

Eric
 
Greetings and peace be with you sargon;

Those that do experience it first hand or personally and still refrain from actions inspired by hate or anger are those that truly follow the teachings of Islam!

People of all faiths should be inspired by justice and peace for all of God's creation.

In the spirit of seeking greater interfaith friendships

Eric
 
Anger is blinding them
funny, although this is true of what anger does to you, i first misread it to say, "anger is binding them". This can also be said, because when you are constantly filled with anger and hate , you are powerless to move forward and enjoy life. your are powerless due to being bound.
 
Greetings and peace Cheb;


Being blind is a perfect description of anger, because the power to forgive is overlooked; we let our principles get in the way and we choose not to forgive. Maybe I can give a couple of personnel examples about forgiveness, one is really trivial and the outcome of the other made the difference between life and death.

Some years ago I was a window cleaner and a lady stopped me in the street and asked me to clean her windows, she said she would pay me on Friday. I went back and she said sorry come back again next week for the money. This went on for several months and I was going back every week for the money and becoming angrier as time went by. One day I went round and she was unloading a car full of shopping and she was almost laughing when she said I have spent all my money. I used to go home after and be angry with my wife and children because of how I felt.

I became more determined because of the injustice and it was eating away at me, I was scheming all kinds of things, like super gluing her door locks, slashing her car tyres, putting paint striper on her car.

I can’t really explain how the change came; but one day I just said to myself she wants the money more than I do, I will forgive her and not call back on her again and it felt like a huge weight had been lifted the moment I said that to myself.

When I look back it had taken me less than 15 minutes to clean her windows. I must have spent hours of my time in chasing after 15 minutes of work and countless number of hours feeling anger over several months.

My anger had made me blind to all the other good things in my life at the time.


The second instance came about after I had been cleaning an old ladies windows for a couple of years and it took longer to have a drink and a chat with her than it did to clean her windows. One day I called on her and she said if I tell you something will you promise not to tell anyone else. I thought it was going to be a bit of gossip and said yes.

She said she had just started to take some pills and she was going to end her life. I talked with her and listened to her story.

She had worked very hard during her life, her husband ran of with another woman and took most of her money at the time, and her children had used her and left her. Despite that she still managed to have a large house and a comfortable life money wise. She had a lodger at the time and he was a bit short sighted one day he kicked her dog, maybe it was an accident but the dog died in agony over the following month whining and being sick all the time.

She evicted her lodger and could not forgive him; her dog was getting old and she said it was the only thing in her life that had ever loved her for who she was and she had nothing to live for.

We talked for a couple of hours and the thing that seemed to make a difference to her was when I said death is not a problem we all die; but do you want to spend your final time on this Earth a bitter, twisted and angry woman; somehow you have to find it in your heart to forgive this man.

Just before I left I said it is pointless coming back next month to clean your windows, she said come back.

I called the following month and her kitchen had been decorated, she was planning to change the garden around, it was as if nothing had happened and she never mentioned again about giving up on life.

If I had never experienced the power to forgive in the first trivial way, I would not have understood how to help this lady.

If we do wrong then maybe it is our duty to try and ask for forgiveness so that the person we have offended will not store up all this anger in his heart.

On the television some time ago there was a lady who said that she forgave the person who had killed her son in a racially motivated attack with an axe. She said forgiving was the Christian thing to do and I can understand how this would help her live her life despite the murder of her son.
By her actions she has tested the conscience of all the white people in her area who do not hate blacks.

If we cannot forgive and store up anger in our hearts, then maybe God will judge us by this same measure.

Maybe as we learn how to forgive then we can come to some small understanding of how God can be even more forgiving.

in the spirit of seeking peace and reconciliation for all people

Eric
Greetings Eric,

Thank you for sharing that. You are definitely a good man. I agree that we should learn to forgive too. The prophet (pbuh) use to do it all the time, why shouldnt we. You have also given a very good example of how it could benefit us. Here are two verses from the Quran that support that:

"That which you have been given is but a fleeting comfort of this life. Better and more enduring is that which Allah has for those who believe and put their trust in Him; who avoid gross sins and indecencies and, when angered, are willing to forgive; who obey their Lord, attend to their prayers, and conduct their affairs by mutual consent; who bestow in alms a part of that which We have given them and, when oppressed, seek to redress their wrongs. [Al-Qur'an, Sura: 42 (Ash-Shura), Ayat: 36-39] "

"[It is a mercy from Allah that you were gentle with them. If you had been rough or hard of heart, they would have scattered from around you. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them … ] (Aal `Imran 3:159"

Peace.
 
ok so let me be quiet and watch as thousands of innoceent people die ?! ?! ?!

its not constructive i agree, but if your leaders promote killing and such, then what are the people supposed to think???

leaders like bush wanna conquer everythnig, but watta bout the us???
is it perfect yet???
how many people could bush have saved from wolrd hunger with that war money???
and so on....
Be as loud as you can, but the world is not black and white and hate blinds you.
Here's your kind of thinking from the other side -

leaders like ahmedinejad, hussein and bin laden want to kill everyone, can't we defend ourselves? Do you know how much good they could do if they weren't megalomaniacs bent on killing US citizens, slaughtering every Israeli and helping to kill millions of muslims in Iraq & Afghanistan?

And after this crazed rhetoric, then where are we? What grounds can we use from those statements to start solving the problem?

I think the OP is just trying to get people to think about it and it was a good job. The results of the poll are hopeful, so far.

Thanks.
 

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