Do you beleive that Islam is the only way?

[GARY]

Insult? Sister you need to claim down, firstly quote me where I insulted your family, and secondly Gary said he isn't intrested in islam, what you want me to do say? the only reason your family were mentioned is because you brought it up not me! the same goes for Garry and any other non-muslim.

Actually islam-truth, that is not what I said. If I were not interested in islam, I would not be here. I said,

In my view I see that your prophet engaged in relations with a child, and even with all the explainations offered about this (ie. it was a different time, etc), my modern day thinking won't allow me past this. So in my opinion at this point I don't feel that Islam is the way.

That is different than saying I am not interested.

 

[Ghazi]

I'M RUDE HERE'S WHAT YOU HAVE SAID TO ME WHEN I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH YOU.

eat feet dude

Eat poop

This is a person with rationale, u and inoclast dont seem to have any

This is why alf is my avator cause i cant take some people serious here and remember hes watching u with his finger

Also let me add the neg rep you left me which contained an insult, see I'm an adult I'll behave like one my be you should too?

 

[GARY]

In Crystals defense, Islam-truth I think your approach may have been a little hard for her, considering she seems concerned for her family. Perhaps you could try a slightly more compassionate approach.

 

[Ghazi]

Actually islam-truth, that is not what I said. If I were not interested in islam, I would not be here. I said, That is different than saying I am not interested.

You said you don't feel "Islam is the way" so I took it as you wern't intrested in becoming a muslim that's what I ment by "Not Intrested".

 

[GARY]

You said you don't feel "Islam is the way" so I took it as you wern't intrested in becoming a muslim that's what I ment by "Not Intrested".

I understand why you would think that.

 

[Ghazi]

In Crystals defense, Islam-truth I think your approach may have been a little hard for her, considering she seems concerned for her family. Perhaps you could try a slightly more compassioniate approach.

Read my posts read her's see who's shown compassion I'm telling here what's what, I said there's a chance that here parents will embrace islam but all I got were insults in return and have been demonised for speaking the truth, if people can't debate in a cival way then a forum isn't the place for them, I could've easily reported here, but I have chosen not to cause I believe that issues must be discussed not hidden away.

 

[Looking4Peace]

Well maybe i can get immature when im frustrated but i surely didnt say anything mean or hateful in which u said about my family thats dead, isnt talking badly about the deceased well a universal wrong? Oh i forgot hes right because hes using his own version of Islam well why didnt i know:rollseyes :hiding: :rollseyes :heated:

 

[searchingsoul]

Do you beleive that Islam is the only way?

NO

 

[Looking4Peace]

For me yes and while i can spread the message i am in no place to judge anyone or say "your going to hell" that is not in the human beings place but i guess some people like to act like God. People really can interpret a beautiful thing negatively.

 

[GARY]

Read my posts read her's see who's shown compassion I'm telling here what's what, I said there's a chance that here parents will embrace islam but all I got were insults in return and have been demonised for speaking the truth, if people can't debate in a cival way then a forum isn't the place for them, I could've easily reported here, but I have chosen not to cause I believe that issues must be discussed not hidden away.

Fair enough. I see what you are saying, I just think considering her emotion for her family she might be treated with a slightly more gentle approach. I realize what you are saying about the forum and it's purpose, it just should not be an excuse for being callous. (not to say you were intentionally being callous)
PS. Sorry, I missed the part about the insult in the neg rep.

 

[Les_Nubian]

Wow im guess im more peaceful then some of u because im not going to believe that my parents are going to hell sorry especially since my mom worship one God and what about the people who have no way of finding out about Islam? anyone of u seen indigenous tribes? Get out of your narrow shells already. I believe that Allah is better then most of you are claming he is to throw innocents in hell for worshiping christianity of judaism or for others who havent heard of no message of montheisits religions, maybe you will be punished for having such harsh views.

I know, right?

My mother is not a Muslim. Nor is my father. A lot of people in my family are not Muslim!

Am I supposed to believe that my mother and father, and sisters and brothers and friends are all going to hell if the world ends tomorrow and they don't convert? All of them are not going to convert, I'm sorry! How is "heaven" really "heaven" if I know that my family and friends are suffering?!!! And all for not converting to ONE religion!

So I guess that Allah makes exceptions for little babies, and people who are mentally retarded, or little children in other countries where they don't learn about Islam, etcetera...

But only if you've HEARD about Islam, and reject it, then you're going to hell? So what if you're confused about what to follow, and you're a very skeptic person? Like I was, and still am. What if you don't just read something and believe it just because someone else says it's true? What if you're not gullable? What if you want proof to find out for yourself? What if you're confused about which choice to make? Or what if you're just plain not interested?

What if you find a way of life for yourself that is much more comfortable and suitable for you than trying to force yourself to believe something that you know everything in your heart and very being goes against? Out of fear?

I don't have the right to condemn other people. It's not my place at all.

 

[Looking4Peace]

I know, right?

My mother is not a Muslim. Nor is my father. A lot of people in my family are not Muslim!

Am I supposed to believe that my mother and father, and sisters and brothers and friends are all going to hell if the world ends tomorrow and they don't convert? All of them are not going to convert, I'm sorry! How is "heaven" really "heaven" if I know that my family and friends are suffering?!!! And all for not converting to ONE religion!

So I guess that Allah makes exceptions for little babies, and people who are mentally retarded, or little children in other countries where they don't learn about Islam, etcetera...

But only if you've HEARD about Islam, and reject it, then you're going to hell? So what if you're confused about what to follow, and you're a very skeptic person? Like I was, and still am. What if you don't just read something and believe it just because someone else says it's true? What if you're not gullable? What if you want proof to find out for yourself? What if you're confused about which choice to make? Or what if you're just plain not interested?

What if you find a way of life for yourself that is much more comfortable and suitable for you than trying to force yourself to believe something that you know everything in your heart and very being goes against? Out of fear?

I don't have the right to condemn other people. It's not my place at all.

I felt like u did at one time and still have questions occasionaly but agree with what u said i have even spoken to scholars who have more reasonalbe viewpoints then people on this forum and dont think this way, like i repeated many times 10 people can read the Quran and all intepret things differently about the Christians, Jews and polytheists and stuff. But sorry i dont believe that all non muslims are going to hell just as i dont believe that all muslims will go to heaven cause i sure know some lousy ones that cheat, steal murder do drugs etc, so i will leave this thread at that.

 

[Ghazi]

scholars

Which scholars?

 

[sweetbanana86]

you know we should all do, take a breath

okay to be honest I think as long as we live our lives as if There is a God , Allah, then we are all okay but the proverb says

" I RATHER LIVE MY LIFE BELIEVING THERE IS A GOD AND FIND OUT THERE IS NOT ONE, THAN TO LIVE MY LIFE, LIKE THERE IS NOT A GOD, AND FIND OUT THAT THERE IS"

IT GOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT YOU GET MY POINT

 

[GARY]

But only if you've HEARD about Islam, and reject it, then you're going to hell? So what if you're confused about what to follow, and you're a very skeptic person? Like I was, and still am. What if you don't just read something and believe it just because someone else says it's true? What if you're not gullable? What if you want proof to find out for yourself? What if you're confused about which choice to make?

Ah, the very core of the problem for people with a fact driven mind (my problem). We require proof. It is difficult to just accept. No religion seems to fit because none have proof.
God blesses us with this logical mind. Should we then be punished for the inability to accept things that we cannot back with logic? I think that would be cruel. Is God cruel?

 

[Les_Nubian]

you know we should all do, take a breath

okay to be honest I think as long as we live our lives as if There is a God , Allah, then we are all okay but the proverb says

" I RATHER LIVE MY LIFE BELIEVING THERE IS A GOD AND FIND OUT THERE IS NOT ONE, THAN TO LIVE MY LIFE, LIKE THERE IS NOT A GOD, AND FIND OUT THAT THERE IS"

IT GOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT YOU GET MY POINT

I like that quote/proverb, I totally agree.

 

[snakelegs]

Seems every religion makes similiar claims. I am yet to see truly convincing evidence.
(P.S. Don't bother people, unless you have something especially groundbreaking, I've heard it all before)

actually, this isn't true. as far as i know these claims are unique to islam and christianity.

 

[Looking4Peace]

yay i found out how to block people this is so great i have to many more to go lol about 10 people that make me squirm do u hear that islam truth i can no longer see ur posts the joy

 

[GARY]

you know we should all do, take a breath

okay to be honest I think as long as we live our lives as if There is a God , Allah, then we are all okay but the proverb says

" I RATHER LIVE MY LIFE BELIEVING THERE IS A GOD AND FIND OUT THERE IS NOT ONE, THAN TO LIVE MY LIFE, LIKE THERE IS NOT A GOD, AND FIND OUT THAT THERE IS"

IT GOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT YOU GET MY POINT

My logic allows me to accept this, just not to accept any one religion.

 

[Les_Nubian]

Ah, the very core of the problem for people with a fact driven mind (my problem). We require proof. It is difficult to just accept. No religion seems to fit because none have proof.
God blesses us with this logical mind. Should we then be punished for the inability to accept things that we cannot back with logic? I think that would be cruel. Is God cruel?

I agree with you here, and I would hope that God is not cruel. :hiding: