Do You Believe in Karma ?

Whatsthepoint said:
There is chaos, however it's rather undetectable in large system such as the solar one.
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in that case can it really be defined as chaos? Why cant it be suggested that theres order in what we conceive to be chaos (seeing as its undetected)

Chaos does exist, i wont deny it, but even chaos has an order... it seems to always come at a certain time, with a certain intent.


I guess an example could be the overpopulation of earth could invite natural disasters thus freeing up space and even possible giving new beginnings etc. Theres always a purpose


thats how i see it,



thanks for your answers whatsthepoint, appreciated :)
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
so you believe karma as in that Allaah rewards good with good.

I think there is also a saheeh hadith which states the same "what reward can there be for good but good". I dont remember if the evil was mentioned in the hadith or not?


Assalamu Alaikum
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i see where you are coming from, but I won’t use the term Karma.

People think that their good actions generate good outcomes in the future.


I believe that Allah rewards those who do good as He Wills, and we are rewarded for the actions we sincerely do for Allah’s sake, while those who believe in “karma” do good actions for themselves, not for the sake of Allah.
 
TrueStranger said:
Is your "bad" defined by what your society or government labels as bad?
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Yeah.
However I do believe certain moral norms are common to most people and cultures, I have yet to find out though whether the reason is in ourselves as human beings, for instance because of our sense of empathy or some unexplained brain phenomena or in the way our societies are formed, so is the reason purely psychological, is it purely sociological, a mix of both...? Take into consideration that I don't believe in supernatural stuff, including god, soul etc.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
^ mashaAllaah jizakAllah khair

much needed clarification
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What they consider to be good actions might be something that is appalling in the sight of Allah. Let’s say defending one’s country by illegally attacking and terrorizing poor nations that had nothing to do with 9/11. To them that is considered to be “good actions” and it is defined by their nationalistic view. The reward they seek is not from Allah, but from their fellow countrymen or people.

At the end of the day different people define good actions and bad actions differently, and our actions don’t testify to our intentions.

:w:
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Yeah.
However I do believe certain moral norms are common to most people and cultures, I have yet to find out though whether the reason is in ourselves as human beings, for instance because of our sense of empathy or some unexplained brain phenomena or in the way our societies are formed, so is the reason purely psychological, is it purely sociological, a mix of both...? Take into consideration that I don't believe in supernatural stuff, including god, soul etc.
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What a society and a government considers to be good or bad changes over time, so care to tell me what is the point of following ever-changing definitions that are established by our societies and governments?

Most moral norms are deeply rooted in religion, especially the Monotheistic religions. We are more likely to empathize with those who are like us, those we view to be “our kind”. Thou as humans there is a sense of likeness, and the differences between us are mostly created by our own prejudice or belief systems. And considering the way we humans treat each other, I don’t think there is much empathy going around.
 
TrueStranger said:
What a society and a government considers to be good or bad changes over time, so care to tell me what is the point of following ever-changing definitions that are established by our societies and governments?

Most moral norms are deeply rooted in religion, especially the Monotheistic religions. We are more likely to empathize with those who are like us, those we view to be “our kind”. Thou as humans there is a sense of likeness, and the differences between us are mostly created by our own prejudice or belief systems. And considering the way we humans treat each other, I don’t think there is much empathy going around.
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As I don't believe morals is something absolute, never-changing, the point of following the current one is as I said before, live a good life, stay out of trouble etc.
As much as I agree how morals and religion are connected, I don't agree morals derive from religion, religions are a reflection of social norms of the time they were created, with add-ons from their creators. Religions were and are a way to spread the genius of individuals who created them.
No, I do think are sense of morals is deeply connected with our sense of empathy. The way people only care for their own race, country, religion is more of a social product, thought it could be that we cannot emphasize with people who are not like us.
 
I am not a nonMuslim, but I strongly believe that if u wrong someone that u´ll get it back. Especially if u wrong someone innocent n never apologize.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
As I don't believe morals is something absolute, never-changing, the point of following the current one is as I said before, live a good life, stay out of trouble etc.
As much as I agree how morals and religion are connected, I don't agree morals derive from religion, religions are a reflection of social norms of the time they were created, with add-ons from their creators. Religions were and are a way to spread the genius of individuals who created them.
No, I do think are sense of morals is deeply connected with our sense of empathy. The way people only care for their own race, country, religion is more of a social product, thought it could be that we cannot emphasize with people who are not like us.
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WOAHHHHHH! bro im really sorry i didnt think that by one simple question you'd get attacked from left and right lol! not that im saying you guys are attacking him in a bad way. :statisfie
 
i think life is BEAUTIFUL, the more you give to people and do good without expecting an rewards in return and i mean no expectations!!!! cos it is with expectations that we get let down and hurt so no expectations no let downs and no feelings of pain, have firm believe that your rewards are with Him and so whatever you do, do for His sake and ask for your rewards off Him and the whole idea of life in this world in itself will make more sense and be more easy to go on with ad Insha'Allah more blessed.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
As I don't believe morals is something absolute, never-changing, the point of following the current one is as I said before, live a good life, stay out of trouble etc.
As much as I agree how morals and religion are connected, I don't agree morals derive from religion, religions are a reflection of social norms of the time they were created, with add-ons from their creators. Religions were and are a way to spread the genius of individuals who created them.
No, I do think are sense of morals is deeply connected with our sense of empathy. The way people only care for their own race, country, religion is more of a social product, thought it could be that we cannot emphasize with people who are not like us.
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I understand your thinking process.

Islamic morals are certainly absolute, since our morals and principles are established by Islam. The concept of being rewarded or punished for right conduct is something that is deeply established in monotheistic religions. Hell and Paradise give evidence to that. The regulations of right conduct are established by the laws decreed by Allah. The morals which you supposedly uphold might keep you out of trouble, but that doesn’t mean that they are “good”. They are only good in the sense that it is accepted to be good by the society you live in. Your troubles are defined by how well you obey and follow the laws and regulations that are imposed on you by your society.


If anything religion does nothing but educate man about his Lord, his purpose and his existence as a human. And religion establishes laws, policies, and limits that are above any social norm. Our social norms are culturally rooted, they aren’t religious. That is why you will see in many Muslim countries they try to interlock culture with Islam, and it does not work.

Religion is able to fuse together people from different societies that are different culturally and ethnically because religion in essence reminds man of his Lord, and Creator, and at the end they only have One God.
 
In Islam, it is stated that, if you grieve your parents - your children will grieve you in future. Just 1 example of many Im sure, of karma'ishness (take that Oxford Dictionary!)
 
Karma means action and all actions entail reactions - a cause and effect continuum. The idea is to be free from this continuum of action and reaction, which tends to kick us around like football. The problem though is not with action per se, but with the state of our mind, which is either motivated or spontaneous. Motivated action, which causes all our problems, is born out of our sense of lack. When we are freed from this sense of lack through spiritual practices, our actions become spontaneous. Spontaneous action leads to harmony of the individual as well as society.

The idea that we have to do good so that good will come upon us is an idea that is still at the level of ‘lack’. When we reach the level of ‘no-lack’, we would do good because goodness is our essential nature. We would not need any reward for doing good.
 

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