Do you get offended seeing visual depictions of the prophets?

[Darth Ultor]

Can you bring a verse from the Quran or Hadith that says drawing will lead to Hell?

Off topic: What form of creativity isn't haraam? It seems that drawing, photography, film making...all forbidden.

 

[Endymion]

Yes indeed,this will offend me as this is forbidden in Islam.And i'll show my offense in any possible way.If that person is Muslim,i'll tell them its haram showing them Ahadith and if they are non-Muslims,i'll tell them straight i dont like them drawing my Noble Prophet Muhammad SAW and will try to stop them.
I think its my responsibility to even show my anger on such people for a Prophet who endure all the tortures and had wounds of stones on His precious self just to spread the message and to save me and the whole Ummah from the torments of hell fire.
Mus'ab bin Umair RA sacrificed his life to rescue the Prophet Muhammad SAW from the attacks of Kuffar and i cant even show offense and try to stop people from doing a thing that Muhammad SAW hates for himself,then why am i Muslim for?

 

[جوري]

Can you bring a verse from the Quran or Hadith that says drawing will lead to Hell?

Off topic: What form of creativity isn't haraam? It seems that drawing, photography, film making...all forbidden.

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134310012-islamic-exhibit-met.html#post1480548

architecture, mathematical fractals, paintings and drawings that don't have human figures (in full) in other words features shouldn't be defined, calligraphy .. many things.. monolithic naked pieces of statues aren't considered as artistic as small pieces which require great skills and details..
if you marvel so much at naked statues you don't have time to appreciate the light coming in through brilliant archways, you don't appreciate the story in the murals told in the flowers and the water, you don't have time to smell the new carved wood by seasoned artisans and the marbles or the dazzle of the blue stain glass windows or worst yet appreciate the glory of the creator by reflecting on his actual creation and not a mock version of it..

best,

 

[Neon Teen]

Can you bring a verse from the Quran or Hadith that says drawing will lead to Hell?

PLEASE REFER TO THE FOLLOWING...

1678. Ibn `Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) said: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Those who draw pictures will be punished on the Day of Resurrection; and it will be said to them: `Breathe soul into what you have created.'''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

1679. `Aishah (May Allah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) visited me after returning from a journey, and I had a shelf with a thin cloth curtain hanging over it and on which there were portraits. When he saw it, the colour of his face changed (because of anger) and he said, "O `Aishah! the most grievous torment from Allah on the Day of Resurrection will be for those who imitate (Allah) in the act of His creation.'' `Aishah said: We tore it into pieces and made a cushion or two cushions out of that.
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

1680. Ibn `Abbas (May Allah be pleased with them) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) saying, "Every painter will go to Hell, and for every portrait he has made, there will be appointed one who will chastise him in the Hell.'' Ibn `Abbas said: If you have to do it, draw pictures of trees and other inanimate things.
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

1681. Ibn `Abbas (May Allah be pleased with them) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) saying, "Whosoever makes a picture, will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and will be asked to infuse soul therein, which he will not be able to do.''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

1682. Ibn Mas`ud (May Allah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) saying, "Those who will receive the most severe punishment from Allah on the Day of Resurrection will be painters (of living objects).''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

1683. Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "The Almighty Allah said: `Who is more an oppressor than him who goes to create like My creation? Let him make an ant or a grain of corn or a grain of barley.'''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

 

[peace_maker]

Yes, I would be offended. Firstly, it is haram, not only to draw prophets but to draw any living things except nature. And secondly, I don't see a reason for the need to picture our dear Prophets.
And once we draw anybody, we start to picture the person as the picture drawn. For example, when we talk about Harry Potter, we automatically bring the picture of the visual character, i.e. from the movie, Daniel Radcliffe. But that doesn't matter cause, Harry Potter is fictious and does not really exist. But that's not the same for picturising any real life human being.

None of us know how the Prophets actually looked like. And we must not try to picture them by our imagination. This would put a wrong picture in the minds of others.

I don't care what people do. They will be held accountable by God for THEIR actions. Me, for mine.

I believe the Truth is so powerful it needs no defense. Whosoever dares to oppose it or reject it will eventually be destroyed.

So....I prefer to mind my own business.

I agree 100%. I prefer to mind my own business. I chose, no.

Ofcourse they'll be accounted for thier actions. But, we as Muslims must oppose the wrong. The least we can do is show opposition.

For example, if any of your family member is being humiliated/insulted, you are not going to just stand there and say to yourself, "I don't care, God will take of him!"

It just doesn't work!

If you think even if you oppose, it will be of no use, then you are wrong. ONE MAN DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

 

[peace_maker]

Off topic: What form of creativity isn't haraam? It seems that drawing, photography, film making...all forbidden.

None of the above are haraam, unless haraam is not included in it. About drawing, it's already cleared my Neon Teen's post. As for photography and film making, they are not forbidden, as long they are for a good cause. Like, modeling is haraam and taking photoes at other times are not. And it's the same for film making too. Remember, as long as your intentions are pure, it's not haraam.

 

[Asiyah3]

As a Muslim I am against any drawings of Prophets (peace be upon them). We don't need images to love the righteous.

 

[Perseveranze]

Peace,

I think it would be one of the only few ways I could be offended.

 

[IAmZamzam]

What [removed] is that they keep making Jesus white. Where does it say he was a white man with brown hair and blue eyes?

Where'd they ever say he had a thick British accent either? But he always does.

People have a way of taking a good thing and running with it. The original idea was that people should not craft icons, that's all. And somehow everyone got it in their heads that this means never making any images of prophets whatsoever, no matter the reason, no matter the usage, because apparently if you did an illustrated book about the prophets for children then their first instinct would be to fall down in front of the pretty pictures. Or if you were to, say, make a pro-Islamic pamphlet for outsiders with a picture on the cover of the prophets welcoming us all with open arms, that could be interpreted somehow as inviting shirk. I've never heard such nonsense. It's total paranoia. It's weird how many times lately I've had to discuss the slippery slope fallacy.

EDIT: Here's a link.

 

[Abu Loren]

Narrated `Aisha:
The Prophet ()entered upon me while there was a curtain having pictures (of animals) in thehouse. His face got red with anger, and then he got hold of the curtain andtore it into pieces. The Prophet ()said, "Such people as paint these pictures will receive the severestpunishment on the Day of Resurrection ."
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"] : Vol. 8, Book 73, Hadith 130
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Narrated Abu Talha:
The Prophet ()said, "Angels do not enter a house that has either a dog or a picture init."
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"] : Sahih al-Bukhari 3322
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"] : Book 59, Hadith 128
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"] : Vol. 4, Book 54, Hadith 539
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[Insaanah]

The original idea was that people should not craft icons, that's all. And somehow everyone got it in their heads that this means never making any images.. [...].. ...I've never heard such nonsense. It's total paranoia. It's weird how many times lately I've had to discuss the slippery slope fallacy.

The Prophet ()entered upon me while there was a curtain having pictures (of animals) in thehouse. His face got red with anger, and then he got hold of the curtain andtore it into pieces. The Prophet ()said, "Such people as paint these pictures will receive the severestpunishment on the Day of Resurrection ."

:jz: brother Abu Loren for posting this hadeeth. This puts to rest any notion, such as in the link in post above yours, that only icons or pictures that might lead to worship were forbidden. Clearly the Prophet :saws: and his household (may Allah be pleased with them), would not worship and would not be led to worship the images in pictures. If the above was the real reason, then the Prophet :saws: would not have got angry, nor wold have ordered the curtain to be torn. It's interesting that in the link given in the post, no hadeeth of the Prophet :saws:, of which there are many, prohibiting picture making, has been used, and instead, one report of not even a sahaabi, but perhaps one of the taabi'een, which doesn't refer to the Prophet :saws: in any way, has been used to make the opposing point.

And Allah knows best.

 

[IAmZamzam]

What the link mainly said is that "pictures and paintings were primarily used for the purpose of polytheistic worship". This is why they "mocked Allah in the process of creating", as all those other ahadith said. Assocation mattered. Other Muslims may have known you weren't a fire worshiper but you still made the statement anyway by growing the beard. It's not as though in the very act of sculpting a sculptor is playing God. He could even be making a sculpture of a man pointing to the heavens, with a caption beneath saying, "ALWAYS LOOK UP IN WONDER AT THE BEAUTY OF THE SKIES AND SEE THE GLORY OF CREATION, AND WORSHIP THE ONE WHO MADE IT ALL." Is that evil? Now if, on the other hand, the sculptor were making one of the idols which were smashed in a certain public place by a certain prophet we know....

 

[Abu Loren]

Narrated Muslim:

We were with Masruq at the house of Yasar bin Numair. Masruq saw pictures onhis terrace and said, "I heard `Abdullah saying that he heard the Prophet()saying, "The people who will receive the severest punishment from Allahwill be the picture makers.'"

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Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:

Allah's Messenger ()said, "Those who make these pictures will be punished on the Day ofResurrection, and it will be said to them. 'Make alive what you havecreated.'"

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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"] : Vol. 7, Book 72, Hadith 835
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Narrated `Aisha:

I never used to leave in the Prophet ()house anything carrying images or crosses but he obliterated it.

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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"] : Vol. 7, Book 72, Hadith 836
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[GodIsAll]

I know I have seen some depictions of The Prophet that appear to have been in very old texts, but I cannot search for them now. A westerner may have done them, though. From what I know, this is not uncommon among the Shia, yes? Guide me if I am incorrect.

 

[crimsontide06]

no...getting all hot and bothered over a picture is silly.

 

[Iceee]

no...getting all hot and bothered over a picture is silly.

So someone posts a picture of you but you have [edit] and red lips from lipstick. Are you going to get "all hot and bothered over this picture?" You're silly ;D

The thing is, we don't know how the Prophet (peace be upon him) looked like. Let's keep it that way. The visuals of the Prophet (peace be upon him) on T.V, Internet, etc. are of course 99.999999999999999% wrong anyway since we don't know.

 

[Darth Ultor]

Uh, isn't there a testimony of one of his companions somewhere describing him?

 

[Abu Loren]

Uh, isn't there a testimony of one of his companions somewhere describing him?

Describing somebody and taking a photo is two different things.

The Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) described what the other Prophets looked like when he met them on the Mi'raj.

 

[Ahmad H]

Say if someone were to draw Muhammad for example. Not in a "comic" way but in a serious way as he is described by Muslim sources (not sure where though, don't want to get link without a citation). Average height, prominent forehead, chest length beard, would it be a problem for you personally?

Yes. I am only okay with seeing him (saw) in my dreams. If anyone wants to see him (saw) they can just pray fervently to Allah to see him (saw). But with a cartoon depiction it removes the sacredness behind seeing him (saw).

I have seen him (saw) thrice in my life so far. I don't need cartoon drawings of him as I think they are disrespectful now that I have had these beautiful experiences. No Muslims should be okay with it. And at the same time, when someone does draw him, Muslims shouldn't become violent about it but should write letters and emails to those who draw these cartoons and speak up about it being wrong to do so. Violent actions about cartoon depictions on the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) are wrong and they show Muslims as being bad examples of Islam.