Do you hate someone?!

[Ummu Sufyaan]

realize that there is only one God. He is the same God of the Christians, Jews, Muslims, and all other religions worshipped with different names.

actually, thats not the case. :sunny: as far as islam and christianity go (Dont know much about the jewish beliefs, hence no comment) we both call god, 'allah.'(atleast the arab christians do). However the Chritsians say that He has a son, and that He is 3 in 1 /1 in 3, etc...hence it cannot be said that we worship the same god with a different name, otherwise we would be called the same thing, which were not, due to our differeing beleifs :sunny:

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Ramlah; the meaning of one God seems to create huge problems for all of us, me included.

Regardless as to what any of us might believe, the God who created you and gave you a faith through Islam, also created me and gave me a faith through Christianity. I have family and friends who are not of my faith; I pray and hope that they can all achieve salvation; even if they never embrace my faith.

The same God hears all our prayers, there is only one God. The same God created each and everyone of us, we are all related to each other as a part of God’s wonderful creation.

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship

Eric

 

[Nájlá]

mashallah nice thread
and tnx sister ahlam for this thread

 

[FatimaAsSideqah]

Salaam Righteous Lady,

Do you think that non-Muslims hate Allah? Hate is a very strong word. I would venture to say that most people, especially those who are educated in the Abrahamic religions, realize that there is only one God. He is the same God of the Christians, Jews, Muslims, and all other religions worshipped with different names.

Further, I don't believe that agnostics or atheists hate Allah. They just don't believe in Him.

So, who can you really hate? The answer is NO ONE!

I didn't say all of non-Muslims who do hate Allah and I mean some of them.

Muslims hate Kufr, or disbelief in Allah, the Almighty. Since we love all people, we hate their disobedience of Allah, the Most High. So, even when people deny the existence of Allah we do not hate them personally; however, we hate their disbelief and disobedience of Allah, Exalted be He. This case is very similar to that of a doctor and a patient. The doctor does not hate the patient or the sick person himself or herself, rather he or she hates the disease and tries every possible means to cure the disease and help the patient to recover. We Muslims hate disbelief and disobedience of Allah and we are striving and sparing no effort to do away with this disease and cure people’s sickness and help them become obedient servants of Allah (God).

Hopefully, you do understand what I meant.

 

[Danah]

jazaki allah khair sis,
Subhan allah it is really difficult to forgive someone who did manythings wrong to you, but in the same time, and becuase its difficult you will get too much reward from Allah
if you forgive the others
Subhan allah

 

[barney]

i dont hate any muslims... hates a strong word....

Sorry to be nitpicky. You dont hate any muslim you say?

If a Kaffir was to slaughter your family, burn your house and kidnap and torture your freinds, You would hate them. Fair nuff i say. I would too.

If a muslim was to slaughter your family, burn your house and kidnap and torture your freinds, you'd skip the hate bit because they beleived in allah?

:skeleton:

 

[Snowflake]

Hate can be good. It's a form of self-defence. Depending on the extremity of being wronged, it helps to stay on guard. If you forgive and forget every person who wrongs you, you're putting yourself in the position to be wronged again. If you keep hating them then you stay away and thus protect yourself.

Don't get me wrong though. What I said is in extreme cases. Like when someone plots to destroy/use you, or the Ummah. Otherwise for smaller things (human weaknesses) forgiveness is recommended.

 

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:salamext:

. If you forgive and forget every person who wrongs you, you're putting yourself in the position to be wronged again. If you keep hating them then you stay away and thus protect yourself.

Thats my view as well.

 

[Sarada]

Hate can be good. It's a form of self-defence. Depending on the extremity of being wronged, it helps to stay on guard. If you forgive and forget every person who wrongs you, you're putting yourself in the position to be wronged again. If you keep hating them then you stay away and thus protect yourself.

Don't get me wrong though. What I said is in extreme cases. Like when someone plots to destroy/use you, or the Ummah. Otherwise for smaller things (human weaknesses) forgiveness is recommended.

Hate is NEVER good. It blinds people to reality. If someone has wronged you, and you can forgive them. That is much better. Forgiveness does not mean that you welcome that person into your home as you would a beloved family member. It just means that you let go of your own pain and let God deal with the person in His justice and mercy.

I was recently very badly betrayed be someone extremely close to me. The hurt last for months. But I forgave him. I also told him, however, that our relationship will never be as close as it was, because I could no longer trust him to protect my well being.

I don' t hate him. But I don't go to the same temple that he goes to any longer. If we were to meet in public, I would say hello.

I used to think that forgiveness means that your relationship must return to the way it was. But no, forgiveness m

 

[glo]

Hate is NEVER good. It blinds people to reality. If someone has wronged you, and you can forgive them. That is much better. Forgiveness does not mean that you welcome that person into your home as you would a beloved family member. It just means that you let go of your own pain and let God deal with the person in His justice and mercy.

I agree.

When I was a child, my widowed mother remarried.
I didn't like my stepfather and grew to hate him. I spend years as a teenager hating him. That hate gave me a real energy and a real sense of purpose - a reason to get up in the morning and (try to) make his life hell!

It wasn't a good energy! It ate me up inside.
It took me years to get over this.
It has only really been in the last five years, since becoming a Christian, that I have finally come to accept my stepfather as he is, and to acknowledge that - though not being perfect by any means - he has good qualities, and he did his very best to raise me as his own daughter.
I had to forgive him for some things, but I have had to ask for his forgiveness for many more things!
It has lifted a great burden for me.

Peace

 

[barney]

Bump for ummah

Hate leads to fear, fear to anger , anger to the dark side of the force , and that probably leads to galactic domination.

Regardless, Here's my take on hate.

I hate the Israeli soldier who with a smirk and a callous shrug throws a grenade into a house he knows has civilians in it.
I hate the British Soldier who clubs an iraqi teenage man around the head with his rifle butt for throwing a bottle of blazing petrol at his mates face.

I hate the planner of madrid, who set out to kill as many spanish as he could in the knowlage that , by killing spanish, they would surrender to his demands.
I hate the Screwed up, elderly, demented, drug addled insane fanatic that thinks smashing a plane full of innocents into a tower full of innocents is going to acheive some wild imbecillic medevial fantasy based on his delusions becoming loved by everyone.

And there ends my hate.

And i only hate when im fairly stoved up on cider. as i am at present.

 

[glo]

What do you do with your hate, barney?

 

[barney]

I put a big pressure sealed cap on it and try to understand it.
I use the web for that and spam endless forums in search of answers.


Given a different personality, i would wade through a high school with a minimi on fully auto.

Thankfully, a bit of rock music and and some trolling of forums, and im safe to society for another day.









By the way. All the above is tongue in cheek.

 

[glo]

You make me laugh, barney!

It's time for me to go to bed, I'm afraid ...

 

[Snowflake]

Sarada: Hate is NEVER good. It blinds people to reality. If someone has wronged you, and you can forgive them.

it's easy for others to tell someone that they should forgive someone.. but do they really know to what extent someone was wronged to make that suggestion? Personally, I would only tell someone to forgive someone depending on the wrong that has been done to them. Would I ever tell a rape victim to forgive her rapist? I'd tell her to blow his brains out instead. How many people would forgive a pedo for raping/abusing their child?
Does forgiveness suddenly seem far off?

I dont live my life wallowing in hate. I don't hate people for betraying me, talking behind my back or stuff like that in general. But it's true, I hate the man who killed my sister, I won't forgive him - what for? For putting a bullet into my sister's head? Nah, I have just put the hate aside, until I make him pay for it inshaAllah.

 

[Sarada]

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it's easy for others to tell someone that they should forgive someone.. but do they really know to what extent someone was wronged to make that suggestion? Personally, I would only tell someone to forgive someone depending on the wrong that has been done to them. Would I ever tell a rape victim to forgive her rapist? I'd tell her to blow his brains out instead. How many people would forgive a pedo for raping/abusing their child?
Does forgiveness suddenly seem far off?

I dont live my life wallowing in hate. I don't hate people for betraying me, talking behind my back or stuff like that in general. But it's true, I hate the man who killed my sister, I won't forgive him - what for? For putting a bullet into my sister's head? Nah, I have just put the hate aside, until I make him pay for it inshaAllah.

Salaam Muslimah Sis,

I am truly sorry that this horrible man killed your sister. And, of course, it is natural to hate and be angry at this man who did this unthinkable brutal act. But will revenge bring your poor sister back to life?

However, should you not leave the punishment in God's hands? Surely God sees everything and meets out His rewards and punishments on th day of judgement.

Jesus(PBUH) said in the Sermon on the Mount:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

—Matthew 5:38-48

 

[Snowflake]

Salaam Muslimah Sis,

I am truly sorry that this horrible man killed your sister. And, of course, it is natural to hate and be angry at this man who did this unthinkable brutal act.

However, should you not leave the punishment in God's hands? Surely God sees everything and meets out His rewards and punishments on th day of judgement.

Salam Sarada,
What happens to that man on Judgment Day is Allah's will. Yet God has given me the right to avenge my sister's murder in this world. I probably could've overcome my need for revenge if the murder had been unintentional. But it was plotted and worse was done in front of her two young children. One of them who still remembers it - because he was in the back seat of the car and he remembers her blood spraying on his shoes. My father was in hospital dying with cancer and that man had no mercy? Forgivable? Never.


It's been 10 years since and forgiveness hasn't come to me. It never will and I don't want it to. I've forgiven enough people and let Allah deal with them. But this one, I will avenge inshaAllah. People need to be taught a lesson, so that others can learn from it.

 

[Z-Blade]

:salamext:

And we know that Allah Himself is Ar-Rahmaan (the Most Compassionate) and Ar-Raheem (the Most Merciful) and that His Mercy is infinite, and that no matter the sin (except shirk) Allah is always willing to answer the person's call for forgiveness. In fact Allah loves the tear drop that falls from the eye of one who sincerely seeks the forgiveness of his Lord.

:wasalamex:,

Good post - jazakallahu khayran ukhti, except that part isn't entirely correct. Allah is even Willing to Forgive shirk in this world as long as someone sincerely repents from it. But the only time Allah will never forgive it is in the Akhirah when the time is up and one hasn't repented from this most severe of sins. But Allah can forgive any other sin any time.

And Allah knows best.

Wassalam.

 

[Z-Blade]

Salam Sarada,
What happens to that man on Judgment Day is Allah's will. Yet God has given me the right to avenge my sister's murder in this world. I probably could've overcome my need for revenge if the murder had been unintentional. But it was plotted and worse was done in front of her two young children. One of them who still remembers it - because he was in the back seat of the car and he remembers her blood spraying on his shoes. My father was in hospital dying with cancer and that man had no mercy? Forgivable? Never.


It's been 10 years since and forgiveness hasn't come to me. It never will and I don't want it to. I've forgiven enough people and let Allah deal with them. But this one, I will avenge inshaAllah. People need to be taught a lesson, so that others can learn from it.

:salamext:,

Yep definitely, in the Islamic Shariah a murderer would be put to death (and rightly so). But if he was to have feelings of remorse and repent, then Allah knows if He would have Mercy on him in the next life.

It's been 10 years and he still hasn't been put to justice?! Maybe Allah is saving it for the hereafter... which is far worse for him... Allahu A'lam.

Wassalam.

 

[Snowflake]

:salamext:,

Yep definitely, in the Islamic Shariah a murderer would be put to death (and rightly so). But if he was to have feelings of remorse and repent, then Allah knows if He would have Mercy on him in the next life. Wassalam.

yeh you're right.. & I swear by Allah that if this man showed any remorse, repented and begged our forgiveness, even I would find it in my heart to forgive him for the sake of Allah. But he is so arrogant, he even made a pass at me after the funeral sickooo!!!