Do you love God, or fear the day of judgment?

[Phil12123]

God promised the Muslims paradise as long as they do their bit. God doesn't throw people into hell if they didn't earn it.

We are all sinners. We all deserve ("earn") hell by our sins. The Judgment is pay day.

"The wages [what we earn for sins] is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom. 6:23).

We have been promised that something like 49 million Muslims will enter paradise without even being held to account and no punishment at all, and the stories of God's mercy are many, especially on the Day of Judgement (He will forgive so many sins that even the devil himself will be hopeful that he will be forgiven) ... so there is some level of assurance.

Muslims on this board have mocked the Christian position of assurance of salvation found, among other places, in verses like 1 John 5:13 --- "These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God." We have the Word of God that assures us of His love, forgiveness, and eternal life. Where in the world did anyone come up with the bogus idea that 49 million Muslims will enter Paradise without being judged???

Never mind, I know where --- "the devil himself will be hopeful that he will be forgiven"!!!

That's a lie from the devil himself because his fate is already sealed. Rev. 20:10 says, "And the devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And everyone who believes his lies will end up in the same place with the same fate.

Here's another one of his lies:

This statement means nothing to a Muslim because we see your 'faith' towards Jesus as nothing but a potential one-way ticket to hell.

And while I'm pointing out the devil's lies, I should reiterate this big one which I've mentioned before:

Matthew 16:
21. From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!''
23. But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.''.

Right after Peter confessed that Jesus was "the Christ, the Son of the Living God," which Jesus said was revealed to him by the Father in heaven, Peter actually rebukes Jesus after Jesus said He would be killed and raised again the third day. "Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!" Jesus turned to Peter and said, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me..." That Jesus would NOT die and be raised again was NOT given to Peter by the Father, but by Satan himself. Satan told Muhammad the same thing, No, it didn't happen to Jesus. By that we know that Muhammad, and what he wrote and taught about Jesus not dying at Calvary, was/is an offense to Christ.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

to your question: "do I worship out of fear or love" I reply, my reasons worship is not limited to a single emotion. I fear Allah, I love Allah, I am thankfull to him, I am endebted to him, I am happy with him, etc there's no contradiction in having mixed emotions.

As for your question: "would you still pray if you were certain of hell"
That's a very tricky question.

First of All, if you mean in this life then I'd reply: Until we die we can always ask for God's forgiveness. So your hypothetical situation is inconsistent with our faith. So to answer it from our religion is a bit pointless. Allah is not the sort of deity you suggest by that question.

But lets say for example the day of judgment comes and I find out I'm supposed to go to hell (astagfurAllah) quite frankly I wouldn't know what to do. I think nobody knows untill that moment is actuallly there. I don't think speculating on it is very productive either.

 

[Curaezipirid]

Whenever something bad happens to a religous person they think it might just be life. When something good happens, its suddenly a gift from God.

Are you a muslim cause you love God, or cause you fear hell?

If you where doomed to go to hell, no matter what, would you still pray 5 times a day et c?

Take the OROut of the question.Ore else

No believers even WANT to forget to be in fear of Jehannam: because believers get better self-righteous pleasures from remembering Allah when fearing Jehannam.

(if you were an australian we'd just tell you to "get real")

 

[Curaezipirid]

"The wages [what we earn for sins] is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom. 6:23).[/B]

Yo!

The Wages quite literally!

because it is only by sihr that money is ever accepted as exchangable for any value from labour

wage=money=sihr=death

 

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Muslims should have a balance of Love of Allaah, Fear of Allaah and Hope of Allaah's Mercy....

Read More Here

 

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And about seeing Hell, I think this best sums it up;

Ye shall certainly see Hell-Fire!
Again, ye shall see it with certainty of sight!
Then, shall ye be questioned that Day about the joy (ye indulged in!).
[Qur'an, 102:6-8]

 

[Curaezipirid]

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Muslims should have a balance of Love of Allaah, Fear of Allaah and Hope of Allaah's Mercy....

Read More Here

That is a good way of putting the reality of how we balance ourselves in Isa and Islam.

Reconciling that expression with Christianity is that our Love of Allah is the alike to belief in God being a Father, Fear of Allah is alike to belief in God being Holy Spirit, and Hope of Allah's Mercy, is alike to belief in God being of flesh and blood.

but even though that is how to reconcile Islamic thought with Christian, the Islamic teaching and expression is far more accurate

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And about seeing Hell, I think this best sums it up;

I like the part about how those who hear will see and those who see will hear.

It teaches us that when we are tricked by a form of sihr, such that we either look or listen, and then also in our dreams only look or listen: that because our flesh and blood is still receptive to both senses, in the grave we will need to endure every sense we have ignored.

 

[Malaikah]

Phil12123,

While you are a guest in this forum, it would be good for you to show some respect and not refer to the teachings of our religion as lies from the devil!:skeleton:

As for the number, I got it wrong, initially 70,000 were promised, and then another 70,000 for every thousand... which I think is actually 70 million. Wow that is a lot, subhanaallah.

Never mind, I know where --- "the devil himself will be hopeful that he will be forgiven"!!!

That's a lie from the devil himself because his fate is already sealed. Rev. 20:10 says,[/COLOR][/B] "And the devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

I said he will hope to be forgiven, I did not say he will be forgiven. Two entirely different things. And he certainly will not be forgiven.

 

[Phil12123]

Phil12123,

While you are a guest in this forum, it would be good for you to show some respect and not refer to the teachings of our religion as lies from the devil!:skeleton:

Well, first of all, is that really a teaching of Islam? I don't remember seeing any verse citation from the Quran or other official source saying millions of people will not have to give an account of their lives at the judgment.

Secondly, is it consistent with other Quranic passages that say the opposite?

Thirdly, does it make any sense? Sounds like some sort of religious lottery that would just give a lot of people false hope of not having to account for their sins and getting into heaven free but not relying on Jesus or anyone else to pay for their sins.

Finally, I think we're all mature enough here to admit that we both think the other's point of view is a deception of the devil. Muslims think the Trinity teaching is a lie from the devil, right? And you don't hesitate to say that. I understand that and am not offended to hear you say that. I disagree but I'm not offended.

Christians think the Islamic teaching that Christ did not die on the cross for our sins is likewise a lie from the devil. That shouldn't surprise you, nor offend you. We're both just being real and speaking honestly.

As for the number, I got it wrong, initially 70,000 were promised, and then another 70,000 for every thousand... which I think is actually 70 million. Wow that is a lot, subhanaallah.

I said he will hope to be forgiven, I did not say he will be forgiven. Two entirely different things. And he certainly will not be forgiven.

To say the devil will hope to be forgiven doesn't make sense when his fate is already stated and he knows it. All it does is encourage really bad sinners to think, wow, if HE hopes to be forgiven, maybe I have a chance.... when they don't.

 

[Malaikah]

Well he is the idiot for feeling the hope then isn't he, given that he already knows he is doomed. No one ever said he was a smart one.

As for the source, here it is. It is authentic:

*There is more information in a report narrated in the Musnad of Imaam Ahmad and the Sunan of al-Tirmidhi and Ibn Maajah, where Abu Umaamah is reported to have said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “My Lord promised me that seventy thousand of my ummah will enter Paradise without being brought to account or being punished; with each thousand of them will be another seventy thousand, plus three handfuls of the handfuls of my Lord, may He be glorified.”​

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=4203&ln=eng