Do you support or sympathise with Israel (Zionism)?

[nimrod]

Relevance?

She does say she lives in the\Da best city in the whole world.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Be very careful with your answer, because if you do vote yes you are supporting SELF PROCLAIMED TERRORISTS OF MANKIND! And in doing so you to become a terrorist.

Draws a long breath and tries to figure out where to begin. Sigh. I guess I'll begin at the beginning.

The Jews and the Arabs are the sons of Abraham and I don't care what traditions have been adopted in between that time and now... you're brothers and you're a family. You aren't expected to like each other, and anyone who has a family will tell you, fighting is NORMAL... especially between brothers! For this reason and because God himself commanded it, I believe you are are obligated to honor your ancestry.

Lavikor has told me she doesn't because Judaism was handed down from Moses, not Abraham... but there wouldn't BE a Moses had it not been for Abraham. In fact, there wouldn't be a Mohammed, had it not been for Abraham, so you owe this dude! You're stuck with each other. You people can invent as many excuses as you like to re-define who you belong to, but it won't change THAT reality!

So we have some unrest between the tribes and households. Big deal! Get over it because if you don't... well take a good look at what happened to the North American tribes in America!

Where I come from, the elders have the final say in everything. They don't even have to be right... but they do have to be honored and if they get ticked off by us kids and our squabbling, they stand... and when that happens, we all shut our cake-holes! Why? Because they're our elders! You don't mess with them! The Torah says it, the bible says it, the Quran says it and every other tradition reads it the same way!

It isn't that your brothers moved back... it's the way they did it that hurts and I have some issues there too with regards to the taking of the Northern lands, which according to their own laws, they had no right to do... but all that can be worked out. Atonements are needed too, because they are your brothers, they did offend you and they really need to understand how much they owe their neighbors - if for anything... for the very survival of their remnant... but that can be worked out too.

They've been haughty and rude and obnoxious... sure! But I've seen this quality in the Arabs too. The sons of Abraham are a very firey, passionate people! The only reason I haven't officially embraced any of you is because I'm afraid you'll all try to pull me apart into your different pieces.

You all have such short memories... but there was a time your kingdom was whole and it was beautiful. The crown of the Earth. What happened to this beautiful vessel? This is what happened:

Excerpt from Dream Diary, Azrael and the Alabaster Vase: January 12th, 2000:

Four armies entered from each of their gates...snip... I watched it fall, as if in slow-motion, and shatter into a thousand different shards on the ground.

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/DGV_Video/DGV712/387039.mov

Those pieces... they are you. All of you!

Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

ooops!

 

[The Ruler]

Pull Subject was
Do you support or sympathize with Israel (Zionism)

mean: Do u support/sympathize Israeli action

im afraid u understand different thing.

oh ryt....oops....ma bad ....nd err...its not a pull its a poll

 

[aamirsaab]

What exactly is the point of this thread? I'm completely confuzzled as to what data can be extracted from this thread's existence. To me, it looks like a battlefield. Which is pretty much how the rest of the world affairs is looking like....

 

[dishdash]

What exactly is the point of this thread? I'm completely confuzzled as to what data can be extracted from this thread's existence. To me, it looks like a battlefield. Which is pretty much how the rest of the world affairs is looking like....

Ah well now... the danger with asking that question is that the starter of this thread has explained the reason for it 1000 times before. Apparently his point is crystal clear - to alert people of the evils of Zionism.

If it actually contained anything like reason, substance or fact or any other of those outdated concepts we used to insist on, I would probably be transcribing the contents of this thread on to a notepad and posting it to the people of Lebanon just in case the bloody obvious hasn't actually occurred to them.

Can you imagine their stunned reaction if they read WnBSOA's points and it dawns on them that Zionism is evil. "Gosh," say they. "And we always blamed the French..."

Tfeh.

 

[InToTheRain]

However, as someone who is either a very new Moslem or yet to reach puberty, you clearly do not understand... well, many things.

LOL! Bro you seem to preach about manners in Islam, such as Sabr, how about Adab? So in your eyes a muslim who makes a mistake is yet to reach puberty or is a new muslim?

What I said was that the sources you are quoting are as useful as the ones those rather naughty anti-Moslem chappies who choose to extract pieces of Islam out of temporal or even syntactic context. Do yourself a favour (if this is still unclear to you) pop along to our moderator, Al-Ansar's website for a really very good (though I have to admit, sometimes over-emotive! ) selection of refutals of such malicious nonsense..

Regardless of how you come across you have made a valid point. I will research more under the context in which the many of the verses in the Talmud appear to be against humanity.
I admit I didn't do any research about the context, but those verses seemed to explain why Israel behaves the way they do towards Non-jews in the Mid east.

Like I say, these guys who you are referring to (and thanks for editing your post!) are hardly credible providers of evidence to your cause. Think they are? Check out this beaut... http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

I have used this as a reference to questions raised against the Holocaust, I for one don't believe it happened. Zionism has always promoted anti-semetism.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/zionismpromotes.cfm

Now. What you wrote is highly offensive stuff. You would not hesitate, I am sure, to get all riled up if someone slandered Islam in the manner you have just done. Blimey - I would.

IMHO Israel IS an occupied land - land which does not belong to them... or are you suggesting it exist somewhere else as you see it as some nebulous entity as opposed to a landmass? I'm really not too clear what you actually mean - could you please explain this seemingly self-contradicting statement?

Your right, I was under the information that the Palestinians agreed to allow Jews to have some of their homeland out of their kindness after world war 1 because of the help they got from the Jews in disintegrating the Ottoman rule. But I was clearly wrong. I agree, Israel shouldn't be a recognised nation as it occupies Palestinian land.

We are told - do not slander the religion of others, for they will slander ours. By putting up hearsay, speculation, conjecture, gossip and links to hate-sites, you are not going to be scoring brownie points, that's for sure... In fact if you have nothing good to say, don't bother posting polls...

Well IMHO im not the only one that slanders this Ideology. In fact this man who is the founder of this Ideology is a well known Athiest and he linked Zionism to Judaism leaving no wonder as to why true followers of the Torah considers him an Apostate. EVen prominent jews are against Zionism.

Oh and one last thing - you said elsewhere you have more respect for reverts than born Moslems. As a revert, I find this accutely embarrassing. How about stopping with the differentiations. We are all Moslem alhamdulilah.

Astaghfirullah if that is what is perceived. I will rephrase that, I have “great respect” for reverts. I did not mean to imply that I have more respect for a brother or sister that is a revert over one that is not one. Although why you chose to bring it up now is questionable…

I will request this thread to be closed by the Mods until I find out the context under which those verses from the Talmud where created and the Jews opinion of this book.

Allahu-Alom.

 

[dishdash]

Salaam alaikum akhi... that took guts. Mash'Allah. And kudos to you for being the better man.

I too will apologise for my dishdash manner... Me and adab have always had a love/hate/ignore relationship. It's just my way - I hope you can forgive me.

Which is not to say I won't be like this again. It's my prerogative as a grumpy old man!

What I will say in your hunt for genuine incriminating evidence is good luck. The real enemies of Islam are also the enemies of Christianity and of Judaism. There is a very real war on spirituality, and there are pawns of the perpetrators in all 3 Abrahamic religions. We could all do well to remember that the one moving these pawns is not Bush, Olmert or even Bin Laden, as they are all pawns too. The Shaytaan moves them.

And he's pretty good at hiding his tracks.

 

[InToTheRain]

Salaam alaikum akhi... that took guts. Mash'Allah. And kudos to you for being the better man.

I too will apologise for my dishdash manner... Me and adab have always had a love/hate/ignore relationship. It's just my way - I hope you can forgive me.

Which is not to say I won't be like this again. It's my prerogative as a grumpy old man!

What I will say in your hunt for genuine incriminating evidence is good luck. The real enemies of Islam are also the enemies of Christianity and of Judaism. There is a very real war on spirituality, and there are pawns of the perpetrators in all 3 Abrahamic religions. We could all do well to remember that the one moving these pawns is not Bush, Olmert or even Bin Laden, as they are all pawns too. The Shaytaan moves them.

And he's pretty good at hiding his tracks.

I hold nothing against you akhi because your concern was justified. Jazak allah for the consructive feedbacks.

 

[Muezzin]

Thread closed on thread starter's request.