Do you want democracy in muslim countries or shariah law?

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Gabriel Ibn Yus said:
Democracy is so cool. They even let you vote every four years..It feels so involved...

But I think that the amazing thing is how much it is different than the way people used to live
as now with democracy we have no more wars, people are nice to each other do not kill each other
anymore for money and greed...Wow, modern world is so amazing...I really do not know who I came
to be so blessed to be born in this unique time in history where people are almost perfect (at least
the ones who are not unlucky barbarians and live in democratic countries)
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sorry, are you being sarcastic?
 
aadil77 said:
Allah knows best, I've been taught to trust my muslim brothers over invading non-muslims who supposedly want the best for muslims
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Yeah makes perfect sense! :) But I felt like as if you support each and every act of Afghani Talibans. You don't, right? Because they are not doing real Qital in the way of Allah, right? They are only doing jihad, and jihad simply means to strive and struggle. Even a non-Muslim do jihad, if he strives and struggles for something!

I feel that we should support Afghani Talibans over invaders because it is their right to have freedom. I don't support them just because they are Muslims, as I don't know what type of Muslims they are. But I support them because of love for humanity.
 
Assalamo alaykom,

I don't vote, because I believe that shariah law doesn't mean that democracy is totally gone. As Muslims we are allowed to think by ourselves and to question things, and shariah law in the way of being a good islamic country and society is something I really want.

But today there is no country who uses the shariah law the right way.
 
Shariah is sort of a democracy - but not every one is allowed to vote. A group of eminent scholars get together and choose among themselves the best one suited to lead the Islamic nation.

Imagine if such a way is applied in western countries (you can switch the religious scholars with university professors.) The world could be a much better place. This is because these learned people will be far more superior and just than an average politician.
 
An33za said:
Yeah makes perfect sense! :) But I felt like as if you support each and every act of Afghani Talibans. You don't, right? Because they are not doing real Qital in the way of Allah, right? They are only doing jihad, and jihad simply means to strive and struggle. Even a non-Muslim do jihad, if he strives and struggles for something!

I feel that we should support Afghani Talibans over invaders because it is their right to have freedom. I don't support them just because they are Muslims, as I don't know what type of Muslims they are. But I support them because of love for humanity.
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I don't support every one of their acts, they're bound to have faults, but I support their enthusiasm to implement islam and fight for it - hopefully next time they will do a better job with certain laws but I feel they need the help of knowledgable scholars. Their views on suicide bombings are questionable, but again its the intentions that are more important.

I feel all the taliban are doing jihad for the sake of Allah, but only Allah knows their intentions, if you look at how Allah is giving them success then that should speak for itself on whether it is truly jihad fisabilillah.
 
Yes and the desicions of scholars can be trusted, they will always come to a general concensus over matters
 
aadil77 said:
I don't support every one of their acts, they're bound to have faults, but I support their enthusiasm to implement islam and fight for it - hopefully next time they will do a better job with certain laws but I feel they need the help of knowledgable scholars. Their views on suicide bombings are questionable, but again its the intentions that are more important.

I feel all the taliban are doing jihad for the sake of Allah, but only Allah knows their intentions, if you look at how Allah is giving them success then that should speak for itself on whether it is truly jihad fisabilillah.
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Sorry to sound dumb

But what success have the Taliban achieved Indeed?

Sorry if you`ve explained, i am slow at catching on sometimes indeed
 
I support the right of Islamic states to govern themselves under their own set of laws. So long as it doesn't involve genocide in any form, and not too many human rights violations. As a matter of fact, there are even some aspects Shariah that appear attractive to me as a non-Muslim (although a lot of it I'm against). It honestly doesn't really affect me too much, so long as some nutters don't begin to get over-confident and start demanding Shariah in some non-Islamic countries.
 
мυѕℓιмαн 4 ℓιfє;1338370 said:
Sorry to sound dumb

But what success have the Taliban achieved Indeed?

Sorry if you`ve explained, i am slow at catching on sometimes indeed
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They control and have influence in 75% of afghanistan and every day they're sending more and more invading troops to Hell, this is the success of their jihad and inshAllah the kuffar will admit defeat (britain already has) and they will leave the country just like the soviets, Karzai has already said he doesn't believe the US can beat the taliban
 
Supreme said:
I support the right of Islamic states to govern themselves under their own set of laws. So long as it doesn't involve genocide in any form, and not too many human rights violations. As a matter of fact, there are even some aspects Shariah that appear attractive to me as a non-Muslim (although a lot of it I'm against). It honestly doesn't really affect me too much, so long as some nutters don't begin to get over-confident and start demanding Shariah in some non-Islamic countries.
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Shariah law cannot work in a non-muslim majority country and it just wouldn't make sense. I don't know why anyone would commit genocide to their own people again it doesn't make sense. Many islamic punishments are not accepted by human rights organisations, saudi has loads of human rights 'violations' but they will not change their laws to suit them, they're just not compatible.

And yes it doesn't affect you in anyway, which comes to the topic why particularly the US cannot leave others alone until they accept their way of life, its none of their business but they still insist on forcing democracy and puppet govt's on others.
 
aadil77 said:
Shariah law cannot work in a non-muslim majority country and it just wouldn't make sense. I don't know why anyone would commit genocide to their own people again it doesn't make sense. Many islamic punishments are not accepted by human rights organisations, saudi has loads of human rights 'violations' but they will not change their laws to suit them, they're just not compatible.

And yes it doesn't affect you in anyway, which comes to the topic why particularly the US cannot leave others alone until they accept their way of life, its none of their business but they still insist on forcing democracy and puppet govt's on others.
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Exactly the point!

And I don't know why people think that Shariah would leave no room for democracy?! This doesn't even make sense!
 
An33za said:
Exactly the point!

And I don't know why people think that Shariah would leave no room for democracy?! This doesn't even make sense!
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Isn't that part of the problem though? No one can seem to agree what Shariah Law involves. Iran and Saudi Arabia could be identified as implementing Sharia Law, and yet I've spoken to Muslims who don't believe they're doing it properly.
 
the only way shariah law would work even in a Muslim majority is if that majority democratically chose shariah. if its forced upon them then the country will turn into iRan where a huge portion is forced to obey and little underground brothels start popping up. anyway, i agree with the people here who said they should have democracy + shariah or a counsel of learned scholars of different madhabs nominate people (isn't this sort of like the pope?).
 
Lynx said:
the only way shariah law would work even in a Muslim majority is if that majority democratically chose shariah. if its forced upon them then the country will turn into iRan where a huge portion is forced to obey and little underground brothels start popping up. anyway, i agree with the people here who said they should have democracy + shariah or a counsel of learned scholars of different madhabs nominate people (isn't this sort of like the pope?).
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iran is not a shariah country, I'd be hesitant to say its a muslim country, they are far from islam

in iran you don't need brothels as their marriage method is virtually prositution, you pay the women some money and can have a 'islamic' marriage contract for a couple of hours to a couple of days - its completely forbidden in islam

in places like afghanistan you get instant justice, so I doubt many would risk opening brothels uness its in some NA or warlord controlled area

And you don't get to democratically choose sharaih even though most would be for it
 
Supreme said:
Isn't that part of the problem though? No one can seem to agree what Shariah Law involves. Iran and Saudi Arabia could be identified as implementing Sharia Law, and yet I've spoken to Muslims who don't believe they're doing it properly.
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iran is not implementing shariah, the main clerics of iran are considered non-muslim by most scholars, the country does not follow islam

problem with saudi is the puppet king in place, he has his own band of scholars who have to make rulings based on what he wants or they face prison, if it was just scholars in place there would be no problem as scholars always come to a general consensus over matters
 
aadil77 said:
iran is not a shariah country, I'd be hesitant to say its a muslim country, they are far from islam

in iran you don't need brothels as their marriage method is virtually prositution, you pay the women some money and can have a 'islamic' marriage contract for a couple of hours to a couple of days - its completely forbidden in islam

in places like afghanistan you get instant justice, so I doubt many would risk opening brothels uness its in some NA or warlord controlled area

And you don't get to democratically choose sharaih even though most would be for it
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An interesting discussion...
 
shariah law is the pure uncorrupt way.
the caliph is chosen and if he is not fit he is dismissed.. :)
 
Shariah Law ofcourse. I mean the proper Shariah Law, like the one implemented in the Prophets :arabic5: and Sahabahs time. Not the one wrongly portrayed by the media and misunderstood by the people, because that is not shariah Law. If one was to study both shariah Law (Allaahs Law) and man made law, they would find more justice and wisdoms in the former than in the latter.

You don't need to be extra intelligent to see which has more benefits. You just need to be sincere.

I chose Shariah Law because I believe it is Gods Law. If the people of a home believe they have every right to run their home how they think best because its THEIR home, then the Lord has every right to run His earth how He thinks best, because its HIS earth.

There is a big difference between a nation who fights to implement their laws on an earth that does not belong to them, and a nation who fights to implement Gods laws on an earth that belongs to God. The former nation are the suppressors, and that latter nation are the liberators.

For mans Law is faulty and unfair, while Gods Law is perfect and Just.
 
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