Do you want democracy in muslim countries or shariah law?

[titus]

Any country which does not have a massive Muslim majority that tries to impose Shariah would become a bloodbath most likely.

 

[syed_z]

I am not too sure if we can call the Sharia proper a form of a democracy. Was not that the view of Benazir Bhutto? if you read her book which she wrote before her death, that is exactly what she believed in.

Prophet pbuh asked his companions and consulted them because at that time Islamic laws were being revealed. I am not too sure if we can allow a fallible human ruler Caliph these days to consult his countrymen to determine what is Islamic and what is not?

For example, a truly democratic system would mean that the "Caliph" ask his citizens what are the views on abortion! Islam clearly reprehends abortion except for emergency needs. Many countrymen of this Sharia country might support abortion for leisure! But the fact that their desires cannot be voted means that this Sharia is not a democratic process.

I think we should stop "buttering" the Sharia by saying its truly democratic. I believe it is not. It is more of a dictatorial rule in which rules are dictated from Quran and Sunnah. Any opposition to those rules, no matter if 99% of the citizens do that, will be punishable!

Saudi Arabia is doing a good job of levying out Capital punishments. All punishments are given after a proper judicial process. The only issue is of Saudi wealthy and influential citizens who might buy their way out, that happens rarely. I've seen rich and influential Saudis get their heads chopped off ...

Democracy in West is that Church and State are separate and all the Sovereignty Belongs to the People and is invested in the People and they are able to make their own laws according to the minds of the Majority. So its a Majority Rule.... In Islam a good example is the Constitution of Pakistan... in a Muslim Country Shariah, which we call the Islamic Khilafah.. can be implemented but ALL the laws would be made within the Sphere of Quran and Sunnah...

For example in case of Pakistan the Constitution says... No Law shall be made that is Repugnant to Quran and Sunnah...and... sovereignty
over the entire universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone.

Just giving the example of Pakistan, NOT that Pakistan does follow Islamic Law, because country is full of corrupt politicians ruling according to their OWN will and NOT the Will of Allah (swt)... but just to see it as an example, this is how Shariah can be made within any Muslim Nation...


1st of All we have to understand that Man is a Representative of God on Planet Earth... and therefore since the Kingdom Belongs to God and we are His representative, we are to rule according to His Rule...



(2:30) Just recall the time when your Lord said to the angels , "I am going to appoint a vicegerent (khalifa) on the Earth."


Any Law which is formed will be formed under the Light of Quran and Sunnah, since abortion just for leisure is Haraam, there is NO question that such law will be implemented or people would even be asked, because its against humanity, and so the President or Leader who rules will not implement it...


HOWEVER Sovereignty in God does not mean that there is no room for People to make any laws for themselves... they very well can and there fore since Islamic Law in which Islamic Legislation is handed down in the form of Quran and Sunnah, we Muslims can for Temporal Legislations according to the needs of our time. Many people have in the West Specially, that Shariah or Islamic Law means, Clergy rule or Priest Class rule... no... not at all... the Laws are made according to the Interests of all people living in that State...


What we Muslims don't agree with Western Democracy is that Sovereignity Belongs to the people i.e meaning Any Law could be made even if it Violates the Law of Allah (swt) , example Same Sex Marriage, Making Alcohol Legal, all of these just because Majority voted yes and Parliament approved it....



So Niether is Islamic State with Islamic Law a Priestly Class rule, niether is it a Western Style Democracy in which People do As they like, No... it is rather a System with One head, who makes sure that all Rule is Done under the Injunctions of Quran and Sunnah, and just to remind that Quran and Sunnah, is NOT the personal Property of any of any one among the rulers, that is President or the administration with him.... so if he implements an act against Quran and Sunnah, people can catch him...because Quran is to be read and kept and learned and studied by all (Muslims only) in that state...

Prophet pbuh asked his companions and consulted them because at that time Islamic laws were being revealed. I am not too sure if we can allow a fallible human ruler Caliph these days to consult his countrymen to determine what is Islamic and what is not?

and a Good example of what bro mad_scientist was referring regarding Consultation which to is this Verse of the Quran which does allow Muslims to make their Decisions by Mutual Consultations...


“…the conduct of their affairs is by mutual consultation…” (42:38).

The only issue is of Saudi wealthy and influential citizens who might buy their way out, that happens rarely. I've seen rich and influential Saudis get their heads chopped off

No One is above the Islamic Law, not even President... if Caliph Umar (r.a) went to the Court then NO one is above the Law of God... Saudi Arabia has not implemented Shariah in its true form...


So hope you understand bro mad-Scientist...

 

[syed_z]

Any country which does not have a massive Muslim majority that tries to impose Shariah would become a bloodbath most likely.

Shariah would be only in Muslim Majority rule... agreed

 

[syed_z]

i lıve in democracy ....good
governments abuse sharıah law

they can... like Pakistan, the Constitution is Islamic, BUT ... rulers abuse Islamic Law... because the Judiciary is corrupt as well..

 

[sabr*]

سم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Bismillā hir Rahmā nir Rahīm
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful​

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

The Shariah is based upon the infallible direction and commandments of Allah. Democracy is based upon the fallible, currupt, greed, self-centered interests of man. Research the difference between the Popular vote and the Electoral vote. Special interest with money have the real power and rule in a democracy.

A reason countries desire to implement democracy is only because of the centuries of dictatorships and totalitarianism regimes. Who wouldn't want to get from under that suffering. That isn't living.

 

[__follower]

shariah ,dun want to follow da west liek monkeys .

 

[__follower]

and thats the way it was at the time of our prophet so thats da best ,
look at da democratic countries ,troubles everywhere

 

[M.I.A.]

it would probably take all the respected shieks in the world sat in one room for an extended amount of time all day everyday for it to be successful.
something like parliment for shieks or something.

 

[Brasco]

Bismillah!

As salamu aleykum wr!


It is not a matter that we choose or want, if one's a muslim, he gotta submit to Allah ta'ala. And whatsoever there is no ruling order except the Sharia!! I did not read the other pages, so I do not know weather this was posted or not.

Shaik al Islam Muhammad ibn abdul wahab - may Allah have mercy on him - said in Nawaqid Al Islam (The Nullifiers of Islam):

Whoever believes that it is permitted for some people to be free of (implementing) the Sharee’ah (revealed laws) of Muhammad (i.e. Islaam), just as it was permitted for Al-Khidr to be free from the Sharee’ah of Moosaa, then he is a disbeliever.


I do not know what's the purpose behind this thread :S

And Allah knows best!!

 

[aadil77]

I do not know what's the purpose behind this thread :S

And Allah knows best!!

Basically to let non-muslims know that we want shariah in our countries and don't want western democracy forced on us everytime our countries get invaded by western forces

I also wanted to see if some 'moderate' puppet muslims are against shariah law

 

[M.I.A.]

Basically to let non-muslims know that we want shariah in our countries and don't want western democracy forced on us everytime our countries get invaded by western forces

I also wanted to see if some 'moderate' puppet muslims are against shariah law

how can you have sharia when it cannot be correctly implemented?
the only places that come close are under close scrutiny of the entire world. i suppose you live in a democracy, you are allowed to pray freely i presume? to eat how you wish to eat and to earn how you want to earn? to speak how you want to speak unless youre inciting hatred amongs people (thats another matter entirely) so you are free to keep your code of sharia in all aspects of your life!!
whats to complain about?
the situations half a world away?
the opression of people?
torture and excessive cruelty of the innocent just beacuse of there beliefs?
get a grip! if you pick up a weapon expect to die and if you live half a world away expect to live a sad life until you can change the hearts and minds of a people unlike your own.
...i expect thats the struggle.

 

[Bintulislam]

I would definitely go for Democracy,if the quality of people is credible enough to be put up with such an immense responsibility(mentally,thoughtfully,spiritually,morally,socially,knowledgeably).Only if they are all purified of sins and aren't evil followers,are all good,nice and selfless

And if by Democracy,you mean whateva-the-majority-sez ,whether they resolve over good or evil, if you mean the popular thought of people should be entertained to form law.Even if they are being dishonest over stuff and resolve to approve bad things just because they-the majority think that its right.THEN A BIG NO for people who are fallible,sometimes do mistakes unknowingly and sometimes deliberately.People-blood and flesh like you and me who can be selfish and self-oriented when have there weak points hit or greed/hatred,who can be trapped by Shiatan or lured by Nafs very easily.People who are material loving.And above all we do we have enough knowledge of the world having even tiny winy compatiblity to the CREATOR's.We don't know what's right and what's wrong,we aren't even capable of making a criterion satisfactory enough to distinguish what's right and what's wrong.Where did we derive the present criteria?From the religions and Holy books I believe.Since all past religions and Holy books have lost their authenticity,have been tampered and interpreted in unfair manner by whom?(people of course).Then Allah SWT the Creator,the All-knowing,the Subduer,the Sufficient,the Wise,the Witness,the Nourisher,the Magnigicent,the Preserver,the Soverign,,the Patient,the Utterly Just,the Watcful,the Merciful,the Sufficient,the Guide,the Teacher,the Loving,the Dependable,the Judge,the Pure,the Perfect,the Gentle,the All-forgiving,,the First,the Last,the Bringer of judgement and many more of His attributs which only He possess revealed Qur'an and sent the final Prophet(s.a.w.w) to show a practical example of how a human being should be and he(s.a.w.w) made Medina a perfect example of how a country(claiming to be a welfare state) must be run and what law should be followed-so crystal clearly.And certified it to be the right and its followers the righteouse.And then Allah SWT ,the Guardian took the responsibility to keep the word of Qur'an so that its never edited.And that's an unchallengeable thing.So basically Shariah is the MODERN LAW-those who follow it,feel free to call yourself MODERN.In short,I'd rather stick to shariah.

Then to weak thoughts,baseless gestures and ignorant mutual approvals.

Peace

 

[Sister Unknown]

Of course we want Shar'ah law. Anything contradicting it is by teh shaytan and us (evil).

 

[aadil77]

how can you have sharia when it cannot be correctly implemented?
the only places that come close are under close scrutiny of the entire world. i suppose you live in a democracy, you are allowed to pray freely i presume? to eat how you wish to eat and to earn how you want to earn? to speak how you want to speak unless youre inciting hatred amongs people (thats another matter entirely) so you are free to keep your code of sharia in all aspects of your life!!
whats to complain about?
the situations half a world away?
the opression of people?
torture and excessive cruelty of the innocent just beacuse of there beliefs?
get a grip! if you pick up a weapon expect to die and if you live half a world away expect to live a sad life until you can change the hearts and minds of a people unlike your own.
...i expect thats the struggle.

what are you on about? do you know what shariah law is?

what has your post got to do with what I said?

 

[Woodrow]

Seems to be a very irrelevant question. If you have a democracy in a true Islamic Country, they would vote in Sharia. You can not have a true Islamic country without it being under true sharia. And if the population wants a truly Islamic country they will want true Sharia.