Do you want the Death penalty for Drunk Drivers?

[Whatsthepoint]

No.
Seeing the pictures of people you killed along some jailtime and a lenghty driving ban is enough.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Is a drunk driver 'unaware' of what he/she is doing.. as I stated prior, it is a decision to drink and it is a decision to drive drunk...

It would be impossible to determine whether the person driving was well aware of his state prior to stepping into the vehicle.
Some people think they're sober when in fact they're completely wasted. And some people simply don't think whether they should or shouldn't drive, they just go.

A practical solution would be a blood alchohol level testing device built in every new car that would prevent a driver from starting up his vehicle if the results showed more than 0.5mmolL^(-1) running in his veins.
The system would have to prevent codrivers from taking the test.

 

[Karina]

A simple solution would be to ban everyone from driving after drinking alcohol. That's what taxis are for.

More fool the person who thinks they're 100% in control of their vehicle after a drink.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

A simple solution would be to ban everyone from driving after drinking alcohol. That's what taxis are for.

It's already banned.

 

[Karina]

A practical solution would be a blood alchohol level testing device built in every new car that would prevent a driver from starting up his vehicle if the results showed more than 0.5mmolL^(-1) running in his veins.
The system would have to prevent codrivers from taking the test.

Oh and this is a great idea too - obviously there will be those who think they're above the law and this would deinitely be a solution.

 

[Karina]

It's already banned.

In England? Have I missed that one?! :embarrass

Maybe I haven't needed to take too much notice as I don't drink and drive myself.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

In England? Have I missed that one?! :embarrass

Maybe I haven't needed to take too much notice as I don't drink and drive myself.

Of course it's banned, you can loose your license for driving drunk.

 

[Cabdullahi]

is the death penalty applied to those who just drink alcohol?? the obvious answer is 'no'?......because the drinker can only remember and recollect consuming the alcoholic beverage anything after that is unknown to them.....for me its the substance that causes the real harm...it leaves the person in darkness and overshadowing unawarness but if the drinker just before accidentally killing the person was brought back to his/her awareness i am a 100% sure they would have resisted causing damage

but what about a mentally ill person killing someone...i am might be wrong but i think the death penatly still applies...so in a sense the mentally deranged person and the drunkard are similar because both are unaware....therefore we could say 'killer be killed'

and allah knows best........ps sorry to the thread starter ms ossamer

 

[Whatsthepoint]

is the death penalty applied to those who just drink alcohol?? the obvious answer is 'no'?......because the drinker can only remember and recollect consuming the alcoholic beverage anything after that is unknown to them.....for me its the substance that causes the real harm...it leaves the person in darkness and overshadowing unawarness but if the drinker just before accidentally killing the person was brought back to his/her awareness i am a 100% sure they would have resisted causing damage

but what about a mentally ill person killing someone...i am might be wrong but i think the death penatly still applies...so in a sense the mentally deranged person and the drunkard are similar because both are unaware....therefore we could say 'killer be killed'

and allah knows best........ps sorry to the thread starter ms ossamer

Islamic law executes the mentally ill?

 

[جوري]

It would be impossible to determine whether the person driving was well aware of his state prior to stepping into the vehicle.
Some people think they're sober when in fact they're completely wasted. And some people simply don't think whether they should or shouldn't drive, they just go.

A practical solution would be a blood alchohol level testing device built in every new car that would prevent a driver from starting up his vehicle if the results showed more than 0.5mmolL^(-1) running in his veins.
The system would have to prevent codrivers from taking the test.

That is so funny.. It doesn't matter which state you think yourself in, I don't take allergy medications or others that 'May cause drowsiness' for instance and decide, hey I feel ok enough to drive. I do the responsible thing.. If I really need to be some place than I either let go of the meds, or take public transportation. The effects of alcohol is already known, It isn't a guess as to whether or not it will waste you... IT WILL DO IT TO YOU, FURTHER ALCOHOL FOLLOWs ZERO ORDER KINETICS. once it is in your system there is nothing you can do to get it out of your plasma until it is cleared out.. no coffee no antidote no cold shower.. So in fact it should be thought of as pre-meditated murder not chance accident, because that is exactly what it is-- You thought about it and you chose to drive anyway!

 

[Cabdullahi]

aye! chill out hasselhoff i said i am not sure okay!

 

[جوري]

aye! chill out hasselhoff i said i am not sure okay!

لَيْسَ عَلَى الْأَعْمَى حَرَجٌ وَلَا عَلَى الْأَعْرَجِ حَرَجٌ وَلَا عَلَى الْمَرِيضِ حَرَجٌ وَمَن يُطِعِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ يُدْخِلْهُ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّ يُعَذِّبْهُ عَذَابًا أَلِيمًا {17}
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Do you equate someone who is born into a condition they have no hand in to someone who chose to get drunk and off driving?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

That is so funny.. It doesn't matter which state you think yourself in, I don't take allergy medications or others that 'May cause drowsiness' for instance and decide, hey I feel ok enough to drive. I do the responsible thing.. If I really need to be some place than I either let go of the meds, or take public transportation. The effects of alcohol is already known, It isn't a guess as to whether or not it will waste you... IT WILL DO IT TO YOU, FURTHER ALCOHOL FOLLOWs ZERO ORDER KINETICS. once it is in your system there is nothing you can do to get it out of your plasma until it is cleared out.. no coffee no antidote no cold shower.. So in fact it should be thought of as pre-meditated murder not chance accident, because that is exactly what it is-- You thought about it and you chose to drive anyway!

As I said it would be simply impossible to determine whether the person was aware whether he or she shouldnt have gotten into the car or not.
Do you also support the death penatly for people who cause accidents under the influence of medications?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

So why only excetute the ones who actually killed someone? Why not everyone driving with an excessive amount of alcohol? After all each one is a premeditated murderer.

 

[Cabdullahi]

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Do you equate someone who is born into a condition they have no hand in to someone who chose to get drunk and off driving?

ms ossamer first and foremost i wasnt sure about the mentally ill person's situation regarding the death penalty.....so because of my lack of knowledge ,i think your question would be an invalid one because i dont equate the sick person with the careless...some say drunkards can't help it because of the addiction but there is a way they can avoid murder or atleast one type of murder...if they know they cant restrict themselves to just one drink then they should turn up to the pub on foot....

nice try to sabotage me!

 

[Trumble]

No. I appreciate the sentiment and the anger, but I'm totally opposed to the death penalty for any offence. IMHO it drags society down to the level of the criminal, and I do see it as being as much about revenge as about justice.

 

[جوري]

As I said it would be simply impossible to determine whether the person was aware whether he or she shouldnt have gotten into the car or not.
Do you also support the death penatly for people who cause accidents under the influence of medications?

If they were warned before hand that the medication causes severe drowsiness to the point of drunkenness and they disregarded medical orders and caused the death of another then they should be yes. It makes no sense for someone to pop a zolpidem and then operate a machine. People on medications are more responsible than alcoholics unless they are simply suicidal and homicidal, further I have already told you there are about three substances that follow zero order kinetics, and the only one of them that causes drowsiness (amongst other things) is alcohol!

I am not following, the whether it isn't clear if they should have gotten into a car.. what does that mean? Are you not conscious of drinking before you imbue?
Invalids shouldn't be driving, conscious or not!

To me personally, I don't want my tax money to put a roof over their head and provide them with a meal plan. I think justice should be swift and simple--

 

[Muezzin]

No. I appreciate the sentiment and the anger, but I'm totally opposed to the death penalty for any offence. IMHO it drags society down to the level of the criminal, and I do see it as being as much about revenge as about justice.

There's a school of thought says revenge is the foundation of justice... laying:

But anyway, I vote 'no'. It's not a cold-blooded murder, it's rank stupidity - but intoxicated drivers lack the requisite mens rea. I do think they should be locked up and the proverbial key should be proverbially thrown away. Into a proverb.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

If they were warned before hand that the medication causes severe drowsiness to the point of drunkenness and they disregarded medical orders and caused the death of another then they should be yes. It makes no sense for someone to pop a zolpidem and then operate a machine. People on medications are more responsible than alcoholics unless they are simply suicidal and homicidal, further I have already told you there are about three substances that follow zero order kinetics, and the only one of them that causes drowsiness (amongst other things) is alcohol!

I am not following, the whether it isn't clear if they should have gotten into a car.. what does that mean? Are you not conscious of drinking before you imbue?
Invalids shouldn't be driving, conscious or not!

To me personally, I don't want my tax money to put a roof over their head and provide them with a meal plan. I think justice should be swift and simple--

What I'm saying is that many of them were well aware that they shouldn't drive and didn't want to, but after drinking, they simply went into a car without thinking.

 

[جوري]

No. I appreciate the sentiment and the anger, but I'm totally opposed to the death penalty for any offence. IMHO it drags society down to the level of the criminal, and I do see it as being as much about revenge as about justice.

If someone killed your son or your wife, you'd honestly be ok with a part of your hard earned money going to put a roof over their head and provide them with meals or a small slap on the wrist and off they go after a few months without even a revocation of their license?
it is almost like insult to injury...