Do you want the Death penalty for Drunk Drivers?

[جوري]

I am disappointed in the poll here -- I guess this sort of lightening of penalty and excusing from consequence (under the guise of 'unaware') is what gives many drunkards a carte blanche to go out there and murder folks on daily basis...

 

[جوري]

What I'm saying is that many of them were well aware that they shouldn't drive and didn't want to, but after drinking, they simply went into a car without thinking.

It isn't an inalienable right to drive, it is a privilege!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

It isn't an inalienable right to drive, it is a privilege!

Exactly and drunk drivers who caused an accident, regardless of human casualties, should be taken their licence away and banned from ever getting it back.

 

[Woodrow]

I voted undecided for one reason only. that reason being some states do not have the death penalty. But, I do believe that a drunk driver who kills should get the highest legal punishment provided for any other premeditated murderer.

Yes, I did say premeditated. A person does not accidently get drunk. You have to decide you are going to drink, and if you drink, you are 100% responsible for your action, no matter how incapacited the alcohol makes you. Incapacitated by choice is the same as planning to do something illegal, immoral or stupid. In either case the drunk needs to be held 100% accountable for all actions done while drunk.

 

[Muhaba]

I voted undecided because i don't know the islamic ruling. I think it would be the same as for unintentional murder? you might want to ask an alim.

 

[جوري]

It is haram to drink in Islam so it will be a double whammy when there is also blood on ones hand I assume under shari3a..
I am talking about our current state, since they won't ban alcohol, the death penalty I believe would make folks think twice about getting into that car drunk..

and Allah swt knows best

 

[Karina]

It's already banned.

Clarification: Whatsthepoint - Of course I realise alcohol is banned, but in England, certainly until recently, we were legally allowed to consume a small amount of alcohol before driving a car. A small glass of wine or one beer for example, providing it doesn't take you "over the limit". My point was that I think alcohol should not be drunk before driving AT ALL, no matter what, end of story and there should be zero tollerance.
PS Sorry to butt in, but while everyone's still been talking about this, I've been asleep here!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

It is haram to drink in Islam so it will be a double whammy when there is also blood on ones hand I assume under shari3a..
I am talking about our current state, since they won't ban alcohol, the death penalty I believe would make folks think twice about getting into that car drunk..

and Allah swt knows best

I don't think the death penalty would do much to prevent drunk driving, it doesn't even detter people capable of thinking straight.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Clarification: Whatsthepoint - Of course I realise alcohol is banned, but in England, certainly until recently, we were legally allowed to consume a small amount of alcohol before driving a car. A small glass of wine or one beer for example, providing it doesn't take you "over the limit". My point was that I think alcohol should not be drunk before driving AT ALL, no matter what, end of story and there should be zero tollerance.
PS Sorry to butt in, but while everyone's still been talking about this, I've been asleep here!

I disagree, you can't ban driving after a glass of wine or two, you'd have to take a cab to dine out, that's stupid.

 

[Bint-Al-Islam]

I said YES! Everyone knows you should not drink while driving. They are not stupid. Its dangerous and 99% that u will kill some1 while driving.. Drunk Driver should get death penalty. They kill innocent ppl they deserve to get killed too.. No Comment

 

[Trumble]

If someone killed your son or your wife, you'd honestly be ok with a part of your hard earned money going to put a roof over their head and provide them with meals or a small slap on the wrist and off they go after a few months without even a revocation of their license?
it is almost like insult to injury...

Firstly, in those circumstances, I doubt I've give a d**n where a small slice of my taxes was going. Secondly, that's a totally false dichotomy; there are, of course, plenty of options between execution and "a small slap on the wrist and off they go after a few months without even a revocation of their license"!!

 

[جوري]

The current laws as it stands at least to me are a 'small slap on the wrist' and you see the same individuals again and again as repeat offenders without a considerable gap between crimes, that is how fast they get off ....
The problem I think is that most or at least 42% here fail to see this as a serious crime with horrific ramification (and I know it is difficult to empathize unless one experiences it first hand) ... but that is how fast people are orphaned or widowed etc, while the other party comes off the car staggering-- lives are ruined in the blink of an eye!

 

[جوري]

. Drunk Driver should get death penalty. They kill innocent ppl they deserve to get killed too..

I agree!

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Bint-Al-Islam;

Drunk Driver should get death penalty

Where does God come into all this? God knows the hearts and minds of all of us, and it is only God who can act justly.

Is God powerless? Should we fear the death sentence more than we fear God?

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

Eric

 

[Vito]

The majority of people who actually go out and kill intentionally don't even get the death penalty. I doubt they would be quick to make that kind of change for drunk drivers.

 

[جوري]

Greetings and peace be with you Bint-Al-Islam;


Where does God come into all this? God knows the hearts and minds of all of us, and it is only God who can act justly.

Is God powerless? Should we fear the death sentence more than we fear God?

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

Eric

Greetings Eric

God left us a code of conduct to carry out in this life.
I'll use the analogy of me asking you to house sit and take care of my cat while I attend to bigger business. I provide you with all that you need, from food/shelter/payment as well the instructions on how to take care of my cat. But when I get back, not only do I find my house in shambles, my cat dead, but you go on so far as to call me powerless and negligent -- whom do you honestly suppose the blame should lie with?

We are entrusted with many things and one of them is to carry out justice when harm is done.

all the best

 

[Karina]

I disagree, you can't ban driving after a glass of wine or two, you'd have to take a cab to dine out, that's stupid.

No it's not. Why can't you eat out without drinking alcohol?

And if you do drink alcohol, what's wrong with getting a taxi home?

That's what I do and it certainly doesn't cause me any hardship. I'd rather pay for a cab than have the death of a (eg.) small child on my conscience for the rest of my days, just because my senses were dulled from that one glass of wine or that one beer and I couldn't stop in time.

You can't seriously tell me that a "glass of wine or two" doesn't affect you in any way?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

No it's not. Why can't you eat out without drinking alcohol?

And if you do drink alcohol, what's wrong with getting a taxi home?

That's what I do and it certainly doesn't cause me any hardship. I'd rather pay for a cab than have the death of a (eg.) small child on my conscience for the rest of my days, just because my senses were dulled from that one glass of wine or that one beer and I couldn't stop in time.

You can't seriously tell me that a "glass of wine or two" doesn't affect you in any way?

I seriously doubt anyone having drunk a glass of wine or two has caused an accident as a direct result of the wine.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Gossamer skye;

God left us a code of conduct to carry out in this life.

Agreed, and I am sure it means not doing anything that could harm others, so drinking and driving would be wrong.

But

This is a tough question to answer, I could live with myself if my son was killed by a drunk driver. But if my son was that drunk driver and killed an innocent bystander I would struggle to live with that knowledge.

I can only try and understand the lessons of forgiveness that Jesus taught. If my son was killed by a drunk driver I should try and forgive the driver. I should even pray for the healing of that driver, knowing that we all have to stand before God at some point.

We shall be judged in the way we judge others, if we can learn to forgive, then maybe God will forgive me the wrongs I have done.

In the spirit of praying to a loving and forgiving God

Eric

 

[جوري]

Greetings and peace be with you Gossamer skye;


Agreed, and I am sure it means not doing anything that could harm others, so drinking and driving would be wrong.

But

This is a tough question to answer, I could live with myself if my son was killed by a drunk driver. But if my son was that drunk driver and killed an innocent bystander I would struggle to live with that knowledge.

I can only try and understand the lessons of forgiveness that Jesus taught. If my son was killed by a drunk driver I should try and forgive the driver. I should even pray for the healing of that driver, knowing that we all have to stand before God at some point.

We shall be judged in the way we judge others, if we can learn to forgive, then maybe God will forgive me the wrongs I have done.

In the spirit of praying to a loving and forgiving God

Eric

forgiveness is a completely different issue from justice. I think people are jaded between the two. punishment for a sin committed is an expiation from it. I don't know what the Islamic jurisprudence is on something such as this given that drinking is forbidden, however most drunk drivers don't think on your level I don't even believe they understand what (altruism) is like a cancer in the body you can't coax it to co-exist!.. having lost two colleagues just last month, and reading about the drunk drivers history and license suspensions and such I fear the only thing motivating him is fear of punishment rather actual remorse!

It is this laxity and disregard to human life that leads us to sit and watch as hundreds succumb to snipers and rapists everyday benumbed and complacent about it all!

peace