Do you want the Death penalty for Drunk Drivers?

[burdenofbeing]

I think it should simply be the same penalty for "involuntary manslaughter"

 

[greenshirt]

in our religion in a true shariah, if somebody killed someone, the family would have the choice on whether or not that person should be put to death. but if they forgive them, the crowd is supposed to cheer and it is supposed to be a good thing.

therefore i think we should do it like that. if a drunk driver kills someone the family should be able to decide.

and of course this sounds very harsh. but it will be a detrimental to people who drink and contemplate driving. maybe they will think twice before driving if they know that they can face such major punishments.

but a part of me tells me it wouldnt be detrimental to people who drink and contemplate driving. there are already some pretty harsh punishments. also many drunk drivers who have caused people to die are very regretful and hurt that they killed someone. certainly after realizing they have killed someone they probably never will drink and drive again. but at the time when they were under the influence, they probably werent thinking of it. or they never thought it would happen with them.

so i dont know. i like the laws of america as they are now. but in a muslim society i think perhaps the punishment should be harsher.

but i have been lucky in that ive never had a friend die in such an incident. maybe it would be different if i did.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you greenshirt;

in our religion in a true shariah, if somebody killed someone, the family would have the choice on whether or not that person should be put to death. but if they forgive them, the crowd is supposed to cheer and it is supposed to be a good thing.

Are the crowd supposed to cheer if the family want the guilty person put to death, is it better to forgive or condemn?

In the spirit of praying to a loving and merciful God.

Eric

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Gossamer skye;

having lost two colleagues just last month, and reading about the drunk drivers history and license suspensions and such I fear the only thing motivating him is fear of punishment rather actual remorse!

I am so sorry to hear about your two colleagues, but I do not believe that any kind of human justice or punishment can prevent such things happening.

Fear of God is the start of wisdom, and most of us do not fear God.

After the death of a loved one, justice is rarely seen to be fair, we become angry and it eats away at us. Anger is like picking up a burning coal with the intentions of throwing it at the person we are angry with; the person who gets burned the most is ourselves.

Forgiveness is a means of overcoming the anger that burns away in our heart and mind.

In the spirit of praying to a loving and forgiving God

Eric

 

[جوري]

Greetings and peace be with you Gossamer skye;

I am so sorry to hear about your two colleagues, but I do not believe that any kind of human justice or punishment can prevent such things happening.

Fear of God is the start of wisdom, and most of us do not fear God.

After the death of a loved one, justice is rarely seen to be fair, we become angry and it eats away at us. Anger is like picking up a burning coal with the intentions of throwing it at the person we are angry with; the person who gets burned the most is ourselves.

Forgiveness is a means of overcoming the anger that burns away in our heart and mind.

In the spirit of praying to a loving and forgiving God

Eric

Greetings Eric..

It is easy indeed to speak of love and forgiveness when the casualties are nameless and negligible. Two young doctors investing their years and their life to be pillars of their communities, snuffed literally in a minute, while a repeat offender leeches off society and gets off with a mere slap on the wrist because you and apparently many others equate justice with lack of forgiveness...

can we say insult to injury?


all the best

 

[GreyKode]

Fear of God is the start of wisdom, and most of us do not fear God.

I find christians very fond of insisting that we all don't fear God, we all love to sin... etc.
This type of mentality will only encourage a person to always find excuses for his sins.

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

I am moraly opposed to the death penalty.

 

[جوري]

I am morally opposed to people who murder others in cold blood and rely on the laxity of the justice system to get them a roof over their head and three square meals a day plus health care that most average hard working people don't even get the privilege of having from tax payers money and then letting them out on the streets un-rehabilitated to commit the same crimes over and over!

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

Great point

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Gossamer skye;

It is easy indeed to speak of love and forgiveness when the casualties are nameless and negligible.

I have been both angry and forgiving after injustice has happened to me; beyond a doubt forgiving the person is the lighter burden to carry.

Two young doctors investing their years and their life to be pillars of their communities, snuffed literally in a minute, while a repeat offender leeches off society and gets off with a mere slap on the wrist because you and apparently many others equate justice with lack of forgiveness...

Everything is in the hands of God, and God will judge in a far greater way than any judge here on Earth.

I have gone through this question a number of times in my own mind, if a drunk driver kills any member of my family, it would be better for me that I forgive them. This is regardless of whether they are sorry or not, and regardless as to whether the law gives them a light sentence.

Man’s brand of justice is not fulfilling, the world is a mess, it is better to leave justice to God. There is also the need to pray for the guilty person, for their healing, we are told to pray for our enemies.

In the spirit of praying to live in the fear of God.

Eric

 

[جوري]

it is better to leave justice to God. There is also the need to pray for the guilty person, for their healing, we are told to pray for our enemies.

In the spirit of praying to live in the fear of God.

Eric

Greetings Eric,

Again, God has given us a system to implement worldly justice, as well it is an expiation of sin so even criminals have a chance at Godly forgiveness in the after life after they have paid their dues!

Your example is like saying, If God wanted to stop hunger, he'd feed all those hungry people, well in fact he has delegated that task to us on this planet as evidenced from the Quran ..

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ أَنفِقُوا مِمَّا رَزَقَكُمْ اللَّهُ قَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَنُطْعِمُ مَن لَّوْ يَشَاء اللَّهُ أَطْعَمَهُ إِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا فِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ {47}​

[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 36:47] And when they are told, "Spend ye of (the bounties) with which Allah has provided you," the Unbelievers say to those who believe: "Shall we then feed those whom, if Allah had so willed, He would have fed, (Himself)?- Ye are in nothing but manifest error."

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[SIZE=-1]please carry that analogy through for everything, including implementation of justice for a serious crime, we are not here to fulfill liberal whims[/SIZE], we are here to enforce God's law.. now that said, I am not saying it is Islamic Jurisprudence to impose the death penalty in such a case, in all reality I don't know what the penalty would be, but I do know that Alcohol is forbidden in Islam and with that token I'd hope that the highest punishment would be implemented under an Islamic shari'a law.. for now I will write my local congresswoman for tougher laws on drunk drivers and will get as many signatures as I can get.

Maybe if a humiliating public example is made of these thoughtless animals, others will think twice before they go all stoned to murder innocent lives!
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[saba muslimah]

Again, God has given us a system to implement worldly justice, as well it is an expiation of sin so even criminals have a chance at Godly forgiveness in the after life after they have paid their dues!

hhmmm Wat can i say..????
true..!!!

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

How many people hear commenting have been drunk before? Really like its hard to say about it with out knowing what its like.

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

Poll have you been drunk. http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134280877-have-you-been-drunk.html

 

[جوري]

http://www.islamicboard.com/1120096-post30.html

 

[Malaikah]

Seeing as how I've never been drunk before, I don't know what it is like, or if a person really can't understand that they shouldn't be driving.

But this my view. Two days ago a friend told me her and her boyfriend where taking public transport to a 21st birthday party. I was confused because she usually drives places since she has her own car. I asked her why she isn't driving. She said because she will be drinking.

She planned ahead, she realised that she shouldn't be driving back! So what if she did decide to take her car?? Then what?? Would her plan have been to drive home drunk? It is while sober that she made her choice, and she removed any possibility of her driving back by not taking her car. If a person knows they will be too drunk to make the choice not to drive then they should prepare for that!

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

I think there is an issue with the law. If you even have one beer you should not be allowed to drive. Here in America you can have certain ammount of alchol. The problem is you can not always know when you are drunk.

 

[ardianto]

My country Indonesia, has a problem with drunkens, but we have no problem with drunk drivers. That causes by a reason, 'Almost all of Indonesian drunkens are poor men, they can't drive and they have no cars'.

 

[greenshirt]

Greetings and peace be with you greenshirt;

Are the crowd supposed to cheer if the family want the guilty person put to death, is it better to forgive or condemn?

In the spirit of praying to a loving and merciful God.

Eric

hello and asalaamu alaikum to you as well,

the crowd is supposed to cheer if the person is forgiven(ie, not punished by death.)

i guess it could be said that it is better to forgive someone than to carry out the punishment. but there is no harm in either choice.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you greenshirt;

i guess it could be said that it is better to forgive someone than to carry out the punishment. but there is no harm in either choice.

I find that very encouraging that it is better to forgive, but it always seems the harder path because the culprit appears to walk free.

I like the saying of Mahatma Gandhi.....
The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

In the spirit of praying to a loving and forgiving God

Eric