Do you wear a beard/Gimaar/Niqaab?

[MuSe]

Is it haraam (to shave it)? Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The Qur’aan, Sunnah and ijmaa’ (scholarly consensus) all indicate that we must differ from the kuffaar in all aspects and not imitate them, because imitating them on the outside will make us imitate them in their bad deeds and habits, and even in beliefs, which will result in befriending them in our hearts, just as loving them in our hearts will lead to imitating them on the outside. Al-Tirmidhi reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “He is not one of us who imitates people other than us. Do not imitate the Jews and Christians.” According to another version: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad) ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked his beard. Imaam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: “It is forbidden to shave the beard, and no one does this except men who are effeminate” i.e., those who imitate women. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a thick beard (reported by Muslim from Jaabir). It is not permitted to remove any part of the beard because of the general meaning of the texts which forbid doing so.

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=1189&ln=eng&txt=beard

 

[FollowingAlhuda]

Asalam Alaikum,

Just thought i'd share a word of advise before i logged off.

I am not speaking against the beard,..Keeping a beard is Sunnah, allhumdulilah. But muslims have to quit this Romance they have with their beards. I know far too many muslims who would happily call another muslim a 'kaffir' or 'sell out' if the other Muslim is clean shaven.

A beard is not what makes one a Muslim. If it did, the George Lucus, Santa Claus, Billy the goat are all muslims.

But as we all know, that, in reality, is not the case.

Once again, i am not speaking against the beard, i am speaking against people who see a beard as something which seperates a Muslim from a Non-muslim.

Wa'salaam



Asalam alaikum,

Heres the funny thing,... when i traveled TO england, i was clean shaven. I had no problems.

On the way back, i had a beard, and i had a 'tope'/cap on, and i got stopped in 4 airports and got searched/interregated.

Now why do you think i shaved for 'them'?

Read my posts again. You seem to be missing the point.

Wa'salaam

Assalamo Aleikom,

I have to warn you! The prophet (May the peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) warned us of our opinions.
And why are you saying that some people with a beard do Takfier (Astaghfierollah).
Whe are here to follow the sunnah of Muhammad (May the peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him). And a beard is not the most important thing, i agree. But the brothers who whear it do not say so!

But i cannot take your opinion serious...sorry! Whe have the prophet (May the peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) and scollars that give us advise. Walhamdolilah!

Just a naseeha, beware of opinions, it can ruin the sunnah!

Wassalam

 

[SirZubair]

Asalam alaikum,

I know your not ashamed, i mean that nobody has to keep you from practising you faith. This is the most important thing.

I am practising my faith.

And i know about the airports. But you know, wheter you become like them or not! They will never accept you. Also brothers with no beard are searched and asked. As soon as they see an Arab, it's a terrorist! And the Prophet (May the peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) sayd this also. THEY will never accept you.

I don't want to be like them, nor do i want their acceptance. I simply want to be able to go from one place to another without being harrassed.

But, i know what you mean about luggage and stuff. But you have to see what people did to our Prophet (May the peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him).

Yes, i realise what people did to our beloved Prophet (saw). I do not have the same amount of patience that he (saw) had... ask anyone on this forum ( :heated: ) nor do i have the Hikma that he (saw) had, Nor am i guided by the Divine as he (saw) was.

Ghair Insha Allah.It is just a naseeha..

I appreciate the fact that you care enough to give me Naseeha sis, jazakallah. But there is no need for it.

Wa'salaam

 

[Helena]

alhamdulilah i've been wearing hijab the age of 10 and jilbaab at the age of 16....so nothing has stopped moi from wearing it....

 

[al_faaris574]

Asalam alaikum,

Yes, it is haram. But keep in mind, like i said, according to the Hanifi madhab, a Patch of hair on ones CHIN is the LEAST requirement. If one does grow a patch of hair on their chin, one is not living in Sin. Now, if i had COMPLETELY shaven my beard, then yes, i would be living in sin.

Wa'salaam

Thats the first I've heard. All the Hanafi scholars I have met have been unanimous on the length of the beard being minimum a fist length. Do you have any proof substantiating this claim?

Here is a Fatwa, by a Hanafi Scholar on the matter:

Imaam Bukhari, Radi-Allahu anhu, reports on the authority of Naafi' who narrates from Abdullah ibn Umar, Radi-Allahu anhu, that Rasulullah said, 'Oppose the Mushrikeen (polytheists); lengthen the beard and trim the moustache.'

Naafi' further states, 'And ibn Umar, Radi-Allahu anhu, during Hajj or Umrah used to hold on to his beard with his fist and cut off whatever was in excess of that.' (Bukhari vol.2 pg.875; Kitaab-ul-Libaas)

Through this Hadith, the verdict of the growing of the beard being wajib(obligatory) is deduced. That is because any explicit command of Rasulullah will be regarded as wajib, if there is no apparent, clear reason/proof which states that that particular command is for Istihbaab (preference). This is an established fact in Usool-ul-Fiqh (principles of jurisprudence).

Moreover, the Wujoob is further emphasized by the fact that Rasulullah did practice this in his entire life. Know well that Rasulullah did not trim his beard in his life (there is no Sahih Hadith which proves otherwise). However, because the narrator himself (Ibn Umar, Radi-Allahu anhu, did trim his beard up to a fist's length, this implies that the Wujoob of keeping a beard is up to a fist length only.

Furthermore, such has also been reported from Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra, Radi-Allahu anhu, and other Taabi'een. (Tamheed of ibn Abdul-Barr and Fathul Baari). Therefore, the meaning of our statement that you question is, 'If any person has trimmed his beard up to less than one fist, then his beard will not be a Shar'ee beard.'

Lastly, for your knowledge, the sayings and actions of the Sahaba (Radhiallaahu Anhum) are a Hujjah (proof) according to the majority of the scholars. However, the conditions for acceptance may differ. This is also an established principle in Usool-ul-Fiqh. Hence, the non-compliance to a Shar'ee beard by the scholars you have mentioned does not hold any weight in front of the Shar'ee proof we have mentioned.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best


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[FollowingAlhuda]

Is it haraam (to shave it)? Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The Qur’aan, Sunnah and ijmaa’ (scholarly consensus) all indicate that we must differ from the kuffaar in all aspects and not imitate them, because imitating them on the outside will make us imitate them in their bad deeds and habits, and even in beliefs, which will result in befriending them in our hearts, just as loving them in our hearts will lead to imitating them on the outside. Al-Tirmidhi reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “He is not one of us who imitates people other than us. Do not imitate the Jews and Christians.” According to another version: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad) ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked his beard. Imaam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: “It is forbidden to shave the beard, and no one does this except men who are effeminate” i.e., those who imitate women. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a thick beard (reported by Muslim from Jaabir). It is not permitted to remove any part of the beard because of the general meaning of the texts which forbid doing so.

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=1189&ln=eng&txt=beard

djazaaka Allah ghair.

It is very important to stick to the sunna. Even though the hanifi madhab says so, there are stronger opinions, like the ones above!

Wassalam

 

[SirZubair]

Asalam alaikum,

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=1189&ln=eng&txt=beard

If you provided that link for others to read, then its ok. But if you posted it for me to read, then please, in the future, don't bother. The day i start accepting Fatwas from Islam-qa is the day i chop my own hands off.

Assalamo Aleikom,

I have to warn you! The prophet (May the peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) warned us of our opinions.

Tell that to Shaykh Taj, the Mufti of Australia and New Zealand, because he shares the same view.

Assalamo Aleikom,
And why are you saying that some people with a beard do Takfier (Astaghfierollah).

Sis, you might want to look through this forum abit harder than you are doing at the moment. Because there are muslims on here that do Takfier on other Muslims.

It doesn't just happen on forums, it happens in reality. Welcome to reality.

Whe are here to follow the sunnah of Muhammad (May the peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him). And a beard is not the most important thing, i agree. But the brothers who whear it do not say so!

You don't know the brothers that i know.

I wish i knew the brothers who you know.

But i cannot take your opinion serious...sorry! Whe have the prophet (May the peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) and scollars that give us advise. Walhamdolilah!

Like i said, what i've done, it was done according to the Hanifi School. I do not follow the opinions of Ibn Taymiyyah ( may allah swt bless him ) etc.

And my 'opinions' are not just 'my opinions', it is the opinion of highly respected Scholar(s).

Wa'salaam

 

[FollowingAlhuda]

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[BlissfullyJaded]

You cannot force anybody to follow the opinion you want them to follow. Naseeha is wonderful, but realize that members do have imaams whom they turn to in real life, so not necessarily will the rulings given to them online mean that much to them. You can't accuse them of fatwa shopping for that. Just saying...

On a personal note, I don't understand why some brothers shave and go out of their way to look western when they're travelling with their female relatives who're covered up modestly. It just feeds to the sterotype that Muslimahs really are oppressed. We have to wear all this funny clothing while the guys can dress as they please. (This is not aimed at you brother SirZubair, it is just something that has been on my mind a while.)

Anyhow, voted third option.

 

[Snowflake]

I usually have a beard, but i shaved it off yesterday because i am going traveling overseas in less than 36 hours, i don't want trouble.

My soont-to-be-ex husband shaved his beard off saying he won't get a Visa. I told him to put his faith in Allah. But he thought otherwise. His visa application this time was rejected.

 

[SirZubair]

Asalam alaikum,

Thats the first I've heard. All the Hanafi scholars I have met have been unanimous on the length of the beard being minimum a fist length.

Like i said, 'the least requirement'. Do i have to spell it out?

A fist length is SUNNAH, a patch on the Chin is the L E A S T R E Q U I R E M E N T.

Do you have any proof substantiating this claim?

Insha'allah once i come back from Overseas, i will contact my Ustad and present you with the Daleel.

Until then, give it a rest

Wa'salaam

 

[MuSe]

Here you go brother, if you only accept hanafi, then I give you hanafi evidence.

http://www.albalagh.net/qa/beard_hanafi_deobandi.shtml
http://www.albalagh.net/qa/beard_shariah.shtml

Verdict of Keeping the Beard according to the Hanafi Madhab

Allaamah ibnul Humaam (RA) has mentioned that nobody has permitted the trimming of the beard lesser than a fist length. (Fathul Qadeer; Shaami; Fataawa Mahmoodiyyah vol.5 pgs.93, 105, 108)
http://www.alinaam.org.za/dhadith/sbeard.htm

Hanafi madhab:

To trim the beard when it is less than a fist’s length, as done by some western people and hermaphrodites is not permissible in the opinion of all the jurists. To shave the beard as done by the Jews, Hindus and others is also not permissible.
(Durre Mukhtar)
http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/sotb.html

Hanafi

Imam Muhammed (R.A.) writes in his book "Kitabul Aathaar" where he relates from Imam Abu Hanifa (R.A.) who relates from Hadhrat Haytham (R.A.) who relates from Ibn Umar (R.A.) that he (Ibn Umar) used to hold his beard in his hand and cut off which was longer. Imam Muhammed (R.A.) says that this is what we follow and this was the decision of Imam Abu Hanifa. Therefore, according to Hanafies, to shorten the beard less than a FIST LENGTH is HARAAM and on this is IJMA (concensus of opinion).

http://www.islam.tc/beard/beard.html

 

[SirZubair]

Asalam alaikum.

You cannot force anybody to follow the opinion you want them to follow. Naseeha is wonderful, but realize that members do have imaams whom they turn to in real life, so not necessarily will the rulings given to them online mean that much to them. You can't accuse them of fatwa shopping for that. Just saying...

Finally, a rational post ! Thank you. You've restored my faith in humanity. lol.

On a personal note, I don't understand why some brothers shave and go out of their way to look western when they're travelling with their female relatives who're covered up modestly. It just feeds to the sterotype that Muslimahs really are oppressed. We have to wear all this funny clothing while the guys can dress as they please. (This is not aimed at you brother SirZubair, it is just something that has been on my mind a while.)

Anyhow, voted third option.

I know that wasn't aimed at me Sis. You made a very good point there.

Wa'salaam

 

[FollowingAlhuda]

Asalam alaikum,


Tell that to Shaykh Taj, the Mufti of Australia and New Zealand, because he shares the same view.

I do not know him, i follow the scollars of Ahlu Sunna Wal Djama3a. I do not know shaykh Taj, but i can asure you the most scollars, and the khulafa Arrasjidien, are allerting to this issue of opinions

Sis, you might want to look through this forum abit harder than you are doing at the moment. Because there are muslims on here that do Takfier on other Muslims.

It doesn't just happen on forums, it happens in reality. Welcome to reality.

You don't know the brothers that i know.

I wish i knew the brothers who you know.

Alhamdolilah, i do not know brothers like that. But then again, i do not look upon brothers or sisters. I look into my religion.

Like i said, what i've done, it was done according to the Hanifi School. I do not follow the opinions of Ibn Taymiyyah ( may allah swt bless him ) etc.

And my 'opinions' are not just 'my opinions', it is the opinion of highly respected Scholar(s).

Subhanna Allah! Ibn Taymiyyah is one of the most high respected scollars. Next to Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Imaam Malik, Imaam Hanifi, Imaam Shafi'i.

Gheir Insha Allah, maybe you should READ the books of Ibn Taymiyaa!

Wassalam

 

[strider]

I am a Muslim sister, who wears the Hijab but not a jilbab although i do dress modestly. How do i vote?

 

[SirZubair]

Asalam alaikum,

Here you go brother, if you only accept hanafi, then I give you hanafi evidence.

http://www.albalagh.net/qa/beard_hanafi_deobandi.shtml
http://www.albalagh.net/qa/beard_shariah.shtml

bismillah ar-rahman ar-rahim,

the following is supplemented by a recent conversation in which a brother asked al-Habib Ali al-Jifry (one of our teachers from Hadramawt, Yemen) about the madhab's opinion on the beard:

Growing the beard is a command from the Prophet Muhammad (salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam) to the men of his Ummah. More specifically, the prohibition is to not shave the beard (that is, a man who simply cannot grow facial hair at all has not disobeyed this command). Although Imam as-Shafi'i wrote an opinion that shaving the beard is haram...the mu'tamid or most relied upon opinion in our madhab is that shaving the beard is makruh.

Letting the beard grow is a sunnah that is highly recommended by our fuqaha, may Allah have mercy on them. Anyone who loves the Messenger of Allah (salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam) should know that following his sunnah is a sign of sincere love. Anyone who despises the beard or makes fun of it should know that belittling or making fun of the sunnah is prohibited.

Now, we must be clear as to what the definition of "beard" is. The arabic term is "liHya." The scholars of the Shafi'i, Hanbali, and Maliki madhabs take the linguistic definition of the word "liHya" to be: the hair that sprouts from the chin. In fact, as can be found in "Nayl ar-Rajaa'" the sharh of the text "Safinat an-Najaa'" the author, as-Sayyid Ahmad b. Umar as-Shatiri lists 20 different hairs on the face that have been defined by the fuqaha. some of them (with my own translations) are as follows:

liHya (beard): the hair that sprouts from the chin (goatee region).

`aariDayn (sideburns): the two patches of hair that descend from the ear level to the chin, along the jawbone.

shaarib (mustache): the hair that sprouts above the upper lip.

sibaalayn (connectors): the two lines of hair that extend from the ends of the mustache and connect to the goatee (not all men have this)

`anfaqah (soul patch): the tuft of hair that sprouts below the lower lip.

nafakatayn (I don't know how translate this): the two patches of hair on either side of the `anfaqah (some men don't have this).

khaddayn (mid to upper cheek hairs) the two patches of hair that sprout on the cheeks... it was named after its location.

Remember, out of all of these hair,..it is the liHya that the believing men are commanded to let grow. Letting the sideburns and mustache grow are considered acts of sunnah...the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam) did this is but did not command the Muslim men to do this. Habib Ali al-Jifry said that at one time, some of the `ulama of the Arabian Peninsula used to let their goatees grow and shave their sideburns to indicate that they understood the hukm of which one was mandatory and which one was sunnah. For the overwhelming majority of the knowledgeable scholars, the stricter opinion of the liHya being wajib is taken. Habib Ali said that it would be despicable for a student of sacred knowledge to shave his liHya as well as for anyone who sincerely wishes to follow the footsteps of our beloved Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam).

Trimming the beard is permissible and the most recommended length is a fist-length. Be careful not to trim you beard to the point where it no longer fits the definition: the hair that *sprouts* (nabit) from the chin. (I personally don't think stubble would count, but Allah knows best).

Finally, (and this is very important), Habib Ali stated that we should remember that the beard in its essence is not a criterion for taqwa. People of other religions have been known to grow very long beards, but that says nothing of their position with Allah. To look at another Muslim and judge his closeness to Allah by the length of his beard (or whether he has one for that matter) would be a grave mistake.

wa Allahu a`lam

forgive me

wassalaam
Omar Mahmood

http://qa.s u n n i p a t h /issue_view.asp?HD=...14&redirect=yes

As a smart man once said..

The upshot is that since there is a valid difference of opinion, therefore you are quite within your rights to grow a beard, and believe it to be obligatory, however the obligation to chastice your brothers in Islam for not having one is lifted from you, alHamdulillah. In fact, in such cases it's impermissible to condemn a person who follows a different valid position from the one you follow.

So please, learn to respect the views of others. Don't shove your fatwas down my throat.

Wa'salaam

 

[FollowingAlhuda]

You cannot force anybody to follow the opinion you want them to follow. Naseeha is wonderful, but realize that members do have imaams whom they turn to in real life, so not necessarily will the rulings given to them online mean that much to them. You can't accuse them of fatwa shopping for that. Just saying...

Anyhow, voted third option.

Subhanna Allah sister i do not accuse or force anything.
Look sister if we all turn to our imaam, and forget about the major scollars, Islaam will become like christianity. Everyone will interpetate Islaam in his own way.
And this is what you see now, the is not one islamic comunity their a lot!

We have to follow the sunna according to the interpetations of the selef. The once who where actually with the Prophet (Sallalaho aleihi wassalam)

Sorry if i said something wrong, i do not want to acuse anybody of something.

wassalam

 

[SirZubair]

Asalam alaikum,

Subhanna Allah! Ibn Taymiyyah is one of the most high respected scollars. Next to Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Imaam Malik, Imaam Hanifi, Imaam Shafi'i.

He is a respected Scholar, sure.

Most high respected Scholar? I beg to differ.

Yes, according to the SALAFI 'ahlus sunnah wa'l jamaah' he is one of the most respected scholars.

According to the Ahlus Sunnah Wa'l Jamaah ( The majority ) he is not. Don't get me wrong, he is respected, but at the end of the day, the majority do not follow his Aqeedah

Wa'salaam

 

[Fishman]

I have a tiny blonde beard. It's comming along well...

 

[FollowingAlhuda]

Asalam alaikum,



He is a respected Scholar, sure.

Most high respected Scholar? I beg to differ.

Yes, according to the SALAFI 'ahlus sunnah wa'l jamaah' he is one of the most respected scholars.

According to the Ahlus Sunnah Wa'l Jamaah ( The majority ) he is not. Don't get me wrong, he is respected, but at the end of the day, the majority do not follow his Aqeedah

Wa'salaam

One of the not THE


I don't know for sure about his aqeedah jou may be right. I didn't study it all. But most scollars recomand his books.

Wa Allaho a3lem.
Ghair

Wassalam

I have a tiny blonde beard. It's comming along well...

Funny, most of the reverst i know (just by face) have also a tiny little blonde beard.

Wassalam