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Does God/Allah/The Creator only love Muslims ?
Does God/Allah/The Creator only love Muslims ?
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Allah loves those who worship him, loves him, rely on him and is commited to him.
The Qur’an speaks frequently of Allah’s Love but that love is not unconditional, even for Muslims. Allah’s Mercy, Guidance and Sustenance are granted to every human being, but His Love is reserved for those who work for it.
In Islam, Allah’s Love can only be earned! No one should take it for granted, including Muslims who may like to think that they are especially encompassed in the Love of Allah (swt) just because of their commitment to the faith.
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Allah loves those who worship him, loves him, rely on him and is commited to him.
That leaves me wondering whether a person can submit to Allah, love him, rely on him and be committed to him without following the guidance of Islam?
I guess what I am asking can one follow Allah (and hence be a Muslim in Allah's eyes) but not follow Islam (in the eyes of Muslims)?
Thoughts?
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There are certain acts which if done and beliefs if held that 'nullify' the iman ('faith') that a person claims to have.
E.g. believing that 5 time prayer is not necessary will nullify iman. As does believing that it is not mandatory to fast during the month of Ramadan. There are many examples.
So, the answer to your question is no. It's not possible to be considered Muslim by Allah if one has done an act that has nullified the belief.
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If one believes that there is a God then I think it is the person's responsibility to seek the path in which God intended for him. If not it is like saying you love your parents and yet you disobey them, it would be irresponsible on our end.
God gave us intelligence, I think we should use it to find the true path towards our Creator. It is after all what sets us apart from the other creatures on earth.
It is not really in our place to say who God loves or who God doesn't love. We can say that God loves righteous people, but we don't really know who is righteous because we can't see into people's heart. A person's outward deeds might make him seem righteous to us but if his intentions are in the wrong place then can he really be considered righteous? So we can't really tell who among us is truly righteous, though we can evaluate the outward :statisfie.
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I agree with that, Hulk (or should that be Shrek ;D?)
After all, God will be the final judge of us all ... all we can do is seek him earnestly and follow His path as best as we can.
I am sure you are familiar with this ayat, but it was what came to mind, And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. 3:85
This question seems to ask, "Are there multiple paths that Allah has given to mankind any of which may be considered equally valid to follow in being obedient to the will of Allah?" I believe that a person should worship Allah in truth and in spirit, meaning in the manner that He has prescribed and with the proper intention. I believe that Islam is the religion that was taught by all of the prophets and that Muhammad was the last. I believe that the path shown by other prophets (including Moses and Jesus) has been corrupted over time and that the path shown by Muhammad has been preserved. In the end, Allah is our judge and I believe that a most important part of that judgement will be how we treated our fellow man and other creatures while we were alive. In this matter, I personally believe that there are many Christians who are very kind and merciful to others, but at the same time that they transgress severely in their beliefs about Jesus. If Allah has willed for us to pray 5 times a day and fast the month of Ramadan in the Islamic manner, then I see that non-Muslims are not following Allah.
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Simple, Allah loves those who worship HIM the most...
.... that would be the Muslims.
Let's break this down.
Jews: They worship one day of the week, the sabbath. The rest is business as usual. The business of RIBA. Meh?
Christians, once a week too - Sunday service. But the Churches are getting emptier and emptier. And no two Christians ever gave me the same explanation of the trinity... this has got to be a BIG warning sign for Christians, are they so blind? Lent... got borrowed and improved upon by the Muslims (pardon the pun)... I don't know even one Christian who keeps lent.
Muslims, worship Allah 5 times a day, every day - no exceptions. Ramadhan - we fast the whole month. And despite the whole world having it drummed into their heads that Muslims are terrorists, we remain the most patient of people...
If Allah has ordained for you Islam, and you believe in HIM, and you have all your senses intact - then why not just perceive the reality of your own existence? and compare that to the reality of a Muslims existence... the answers should be obvious. Islam is what Allah has chosen for you. Obey. Be saved.
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.... that would be the Muslims.
Let's break this down.
Jews: They worship one day of the week, the sabbath. The rest is business as usual. The business of RIBA. Meh?
Christians, once a week too - Sunday service. But the Churches are getting emptier and emptier. And no two Christians ever gave me the same explanation of the trinity... this has got to be a BIG warning sign for Christians, are they so blind? Lent... got borrowed and improved upon by the Muslims (pardon the pun)... I don't know even one Christian who keeps lent.
Muslims, worship Allah 5 times a day, every day - no exceptions. Ramadhan - we fast the whole month. And despite the whole world having it drummed into their heads that Muslims are terrorists, we remain the most patient of people...
If Allah has ordained for you Islam, and you believe in HIM, and you have all your senses intact - then why not just perceive the reality of your own existence? and compare that to the reality of a Muslims existence... the answers should be obvious. Islam is what Allah has chosen for you. Obey. Be saved.
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Well, here is one who does. And I know plenty of others.
Out of interest, are you suggesting that Muslims took the practice of fasting during Lent from the Christian practices they saw around them and turned them into their own practice of Ramadan? :uuh:
Then, to complicate matters, what about Christians who pray five times a day and fast during Ramadan?
I would also like to add that claiming that Jews and Christians only worship God once a week is a HUGE assumption.
We pray to, worship and praise God daily, not just on a Sunday morning ...
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The Sabbath or Sunday, is the day to go to church and pray. I can't speak for the Jews as I don't know much about the religion, far less than I do Christianity, but I was born Catholic and do recall it was appropriate to give grace at meals, pray before going to bed etc. Though nothing like the 5 prayers of a Muslim and with the hadiths, its pretty much thanking Allah for everything and asking for his help or protection etc. before entering the bathroom, leaving the bathroom, stepping out of the house, returning to the house and just about every aspect of one's everyday life, its recommended to praise Allah in some manner.
Consider:
The Torah = How to Worship Allah version 1.0
The Gospel = How to Worship Allah, version 2.0
The Holy Qur'an = How to Worship Allah, version 3.0
How which version do you think Allah would prefer we use to Worship him in the best way?
Consider:
The Torah = How to Worship Allah version 1.0
The Gospel = How to Worship Allah, version 2.0
The Holy Qur'an = How to Worship Allah, version 3.0
How which version do you think Allah would prefer we use to Worship him in the best way?
No, the pillars of Islam were not borrowed from another religion; however, there are similarities with some as Christianity and Judaism both also had divine origins. Some semblance of the original beliefs and practices of these other religions have been preserved.
Guidance to Islam is not something that can be forced, coerced, or pressured into. It is something that comes only from Allah and why He chooses to guide some and to leave others astray is a mystery to me. I know many Christians who I consider to live better lives than I do, but yet they still believe Jesus is the Son of God. To believe differently calls for a 'paradigm shift' where one has an 'aha moment' and truly sees things differently for the first time. The standing of those before Allah on Judgment Day who are not Muslims remains to be seen. For that matter no Muslim knows whether his own place will be in the Hellfire or in Paradise as we don't know the final state of our faith at our death and we are unable to judge our own heart and intentions. We believe that if we do not ascribe partners with Allah that even the sinful Muslims will eventually be taken from the Hellfire.
I agree that there are many Christians who are sincere in their faith and apply it to their lives. However, they also worship Jesus as God. I often hear phrase like, 'Lord, help me Jesus.' 'Thank you, Jesus.' '... gone to Heaven to be with Jesus.' etc rarely if ever is the Father mentioned except in the opening of their prayers ending with 'In the name of your Son, Jesus, Amen'.
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There can be a religious Christian who can pray 10 times a day, fast 6 months a year;
and there can be a Muslim who tries his best to pray and fast and does not do all.
The Muslims has a weapon that which without the Christian can never go to Jannah.
La Ilaaha IllAllaah, Muhammad ur RasoolAllaah
There is no God but Allaah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah
There is no God but Allaah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah
Jesus is quoted in the Quran as saying to Allah regarding the Christians, If You punish them, lo! they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them (lo! they are Your slaves). Lo! You, only You, are the Mighty, the Wise. 5:118
The testimony of "La ilaha ill'Allah wa Muhammadan abdahu wa rasool'Allah" is what I pray is in my heart and on my lips throughout my life and upon my death. Those who die without this testimony, according to my belief, will be in a much more precarious situation on that Fateful Day than those who have it. I understand that the shahadah is the single heaviest deed in the balance that Day.
The testimony of "La ilaha ill'Allah wa Muhammadan abdahu wa rasool'Allah" is what I pray is in my heart and on my lips throughout my life and upon my death. Those who die without this testimony, according to my belief, will be in a much more precarious situation on that Fateful Day than those who have it. I understand that the shahadah is the single heaviest deed in the balance that Day.
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What do you mean worship? Is it ritualistic?
Nope. Sorry for not being clearer. We as Muslims, were given the command to fast the month of Ramadhan through revelation. I used the term borrowed in a ver VERY loose way. Sorry for confusing you.
What Christians pray 5 times a day?
Here is the diffference between Christian worship and Muslim Worship. Christianity requires you to go to church once a week. That's it... there you sing songs of praise etc. That is the worship... the rest is prayer, asking Allah to give you this, save you from that... and this continues through the week. heck, I've even witnessed an atheist pray, yup. Kid runs out onto the road , atheist cries "OH GOD" - this is not worship. This is a plea, a prayer.Again, there is a clear difference between worship... and prayer.
When a Muslim offers his 5 times salah, it is in Arabic, with actions, with prostration to the floor... I don't even understand much arabic, but I had to memorize the surahs in arabic in order to offer salaah (worship)... once the salaah finishes, this is when I make prayer, ie: ask Allah to save me from hellfire etc.
We do this 5 times a day. Worship. Prayers, we make all day long, over most acitivites. Including asking for protection from the sayateen before we enter toilets and stuff like that. Ever aspect of our lives involves prayer... but prayer is not worship.
they are different.Scimi
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I agree that Salah is very different to making du'a. I followed the five Islamic prayers pay day last year during Ramadan (as closely to the Islamic way as I felt comfortable as a Christian), and I found it very powerful and very different to simply praying 'Dear God, please give me ...'
However, did you know that many churches are open during every day, and that people can come to pray as they are able to?
Did you know that in the Church of England (and I believe in the Catholic churches and probably other denominations too) prescribed prayers are said at set times during the day? It is the priest's duty to say them on behalf of the community, but members of the congregation are invited to come along and join in.
In the Church of England (for example), the Common Book of Prayer has recorded these prayers, which go through daily patterns and include Bible readings and regular prayers. Except for not including prayer movements, the concept of praying prescribed prayers as an act of duty to God exists in Christianity too.
God will be the judge at the end of the day -
if we truly believed we would worry whether we were loved by god/ followed the path of God rather than bicker about it.
Allah will expose those who only followed their desires and wishful thinking on the day of judgement, if he wills
if we truly believed we would worry whether we were loved by god/ followed the path of God rather than bicker about it.
Allah will expose those who only followed their desires and wishful thinking on the day of judgement, if he wills
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I agree, prayer does exist in Christianity. but is the method of worship authentic?
how did Jesus pbuh worship God? He prostrated like the Mulims do. Which Christian today would prostrate his head to the floor like Jesus pbuh - I know you have and it's very admirable. But still, your example is still the exception to the rule.
Muhammad confirmed Jesus' teaching, and even the prostration in salah (worship) is revived in Islam. But is remains absent in Christianity.
offtopic, I like the way your brain works. It's simliar to the way mine works I think.
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I understand, Scimitar.
To a Muslim no Christian prayer will ever be authentic. That's why I am careful to say that I have not prayed according to what Muslims would consider true Islamic prayer.
I simply wanted to make the point that prescribed prayer does exist in Christianity and that it has a long history. And that Christians don't simply go around 'asking for stuff' ;D (which seemed to be implied by some previous posters)
On the topic of prostration - I found that particularly powerful and do it quite often in my morning prayer even now.
However, I believe that prostration is quite commonly practiced in some Christian denominations.
I remember a man coming into our church, taking his shoes off, walking right up to the altar and prostrating himself. I never found out where he came from and what denomination he belonged to. Although we all looked at each other like 'what's he doing???' it was strangely awesome to watch him ... :statisfie
To a Muslim no Christian prayer will ever be authentic. That's why I am careful to say that I have not prayed according to what Muslims would consider true Islamic prayer.
I simply wanted to make the point that prescribed prayer does exist in Christianity and that it has a long history. And that Christians don't simply go around 'asking for stuff' ;D (which seemed to be implied by some previous posters)
On the topic of prostration - I found that particularly powerful and do it quite often in my morning prayer even now.
However, I believe that prostration is quite commonly practiced in some Christian denominations.
I remember a man coming into our church, taking his shoes off, walking right up to the altar and prostrating himself. I never found out where he came from and what denomination he belonged to. Although we all looked at each other like 'what's he doing???' it was strangely awesome to watch him ... :statisfie