Hi Hana:
As requested, please note the following verses:
Those were the (prophets) who received Allah's guidance: Copy the guidance they received; Say: "No reward for this do I ask of you: This is no less than a message for the nations."
No just estimate of Allah do they make when they say: "Nothing doth Allah send down to man (by way of revelation)" Say: "Who then sent down the Book which Moses brought?- a light and guidance to man: But ye make it into (separate) sheets for show, while ye conceal much (of its contents): therein were ye taught that which ye knew not- neither ye nor your fathers." Say: "Allah (sent it down)": Then leave them to plunge in vain discourse and trifling. (6:90-91)
What we can see here is:
1. The Jews had copies of the scriptures.
2. Mohammed saw them.
WRONG: Read it again. It was NOT Muhammed that saw them at all. Muhammed is NOT penning these verses. The Qur'an is not like the bible where there are countless, unknown authors. Allah, swt, is the knower of ALL things and He knew exactly what happened to previous scripture.
3. Mohammed was upset that the Jews concealed much of the contents of these scriptures.
WRONG: Muhammed, pbuh, was NOT upset as this verse is NOT about what He did or did not see. Allah, swt, knew how the previous scriptures were made corrupt and He is telling us exactly what they did. Your lame attempt to say differently won't work here and a basic level reader can see this is NOT Muhammed, pbuh, speaking.
Therefore, Mohammed was not critical of the scriptures themselves, but the Jews who concealed much of what was written.
WRONG: Muhammed was not critical of anyone. Allah, swt, is telling us the deceit of the scribes that corrupted the text. So, in one sentence you are wrong in so many ways. 1. This is Allah, swt, speaking; 2. Allah, swt, is critical of the scribes that changed text; and 3. He is telling us the text is corrupt.
Perhaps you could explain what Books are referred to in 4:136 that Muslims are supposed to believe?
I don't know how many more times you have to be told before you understand. :hmm: You have been told so many times already. The following verse is referring to ORIGINAL SCRIPTURE REVEALED TO THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS. THAT SCRIPTURE IS NOT WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY. WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY IS THE CORRUPTED SCRIPTURE. THE ORIGINAL SCRIPTURE IS GONE, DESTROYED, LOST, RUINED. THE QUR'AN CORRECTS WHAT YOU HAVE AND GIVES YOU BACK THE ORIGINAL SCRIPTURE. (I thought saying it louder and bigger might make it more clear...it seems to work for languages.
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4:136. O you who believe! Believe in Allâh, and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and the Book (the Qur'ân) which He has sent down to His Messenger, and the Scripture which He sent down to those before (him), and whosoever disbelieves in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Last Day, then indeed he has strayed far away.
Regards,
Grenville
So, Ummm, with all due respect, all we see here is that you are making things up because anyone can see clearly these verses do not say anything near what you want them to. The previous few and next few verses that you conveniently dismissed make it even more clear:
86. And Ismâ'il (Ishmael) and Al-Yas'â (Elisha), and Yûnus (Jonah) and Lout (Lot), and each one of them We preferred above the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns) (of their times).
87. And also some of their fathers and their progeny and their brethren, We chose them, and We guided them to a Straight Path.
88. This is the Guidance of Allâh with which He guides whomsoever He will of His slaves.
But if they had joined in worship others with Allâh, all that they used to do would have been of no benefit to them.
89. They are those whom We gave the Book, Al*Hukm (understanding of the religious laws), and Prophethood. But if these disbelieve therein (the Book, Al*Hukm and Prophethood), then, indeed We have entrusted it to a people (such as the Companions of Prophet Muhammad ) who are not disbelievers therein.
90. They are those whom Allâh had guided. So follow their guidance. Say: "No reward I ask of you for this (the Qur'ân). It is only a reminder for the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns)."
91. They (the Jews, Quraish pagans, idolaters, etc.) did not estimate Allâh with an estimation due to Him when they said: "Nothing did Allâh send down to any human being (by inspiration)." Say (O Muhammad ):
"Who then sent down the Book which Mûsa (Moses) brought, a light and a guidance to mankind which you (the Jews) have made into (separate) papersheets, disclosing (some of it) and concealing (much). And you (believers in Allâh and His Messenger Muhammad ), were taught (through the Qur'ân) that which neither you nor your fathers knew." Say: "Allâh (sent it down)." Then leave them to play in their vain discussions. (Tafsir Al-Qurtubî, Vol.7, Page 37).
Allah, swt, (not Muhammed, pbuh), is very clear here when He said He sent down the book to Moses, (the scripture), and the Jews copied some of it correctly and hid some, altered, etc., some of it. Even still, Allah, swt, taught the Muhammed and His followers the correct and proper scripture through the revelation of the Qur'an. The Jews, pagans and idolators of Muhammed's time were following scripture that had been altered and through the Qur'an they had the opportunity to correct themselves. They were given the message through Muhammed, pbuh, and it was up to them to accept it.
92. And this (the Qur'ân) is a blessed Book which We have sent down, confirming (the revelations) which came before it, so that you may warn the Mother of Towns (i.e. Makkah) and all those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in (the Qur'ân), and they are constant in guarding their Salât (prayers).
As I have already told you, but you don't seem to want to recognize, the revelations being confirmed are the ORIGINAL revelations of the Zuboor, Torah and Injeel (Gospel), which have long been destroyed! Long before the birth of Muhammed, pubh! The Qur'an CORRECTS and CONFIRMS those original revelations.
93.
And who can be more unjust than he who invents a lie against Allâh, or says: "I have received inspiration," whereas he is not inspired in anything; and who says,
"I will reveal the like of what Allâh has revealed." And if you could but see when the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong*doers, etc.) are in the agonies of death, while the angels are stretching forth their hands (saying): "Deliver your souls! This day you shall be recompensed with the torment of degradation because of what you used to utter against Allâh other than the truth. And you used to reject His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) with disrespect! "
Made even MORE clear in the verse for those that missed it in the previous verses, Allah, swt, is very specific when He tells us there are people who lied and said they received revelation from Him. These same people are the ones responsible for altering the original scriptures sent to previous prophets.
94. And truly you have come unto Us alone (without wealth, companions or anything else) as We created you the first time. You have left behind you all that which We had bestowed on you. We see not with you your intercessors whom you claimed to be partners with Allâh. Now all relations between you and them have been cut off, and all that you used to claim has vanished from you.
On the day of judgment you will stand alone with nothing. There will be no one standing with you and you will see for yourself Allah, swt, does not have and does not need partners. He is ONE. This is when you will realize your mistake. None of these "partners" will stand beside you.
Now, I'm going to jump ahead a few verses, but I encourage you to go read Chapter 6 in its ENTIRETY and not just what you want to make fit. These verses need no further explanation as I couldn't make them more clear:
100. Yet, they join the jinns as partners in worship with Allâh, though He has created them (the jinns), and they attribute falsely without knowledge sons and daughters to Him. Be He Glorified and Exalted above (all) that they attribute to Him.
101. He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything .
102. Such is Allâh, your Lord! Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone), and He is the Wakîl (Trustee, Disposer of affairs, Guardian, etc.) over all things.
103. No vision can grasp Him, but His Grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Subtle and Courteous, Well*Acquainted with all things.
104. Verily, proofs have come to you from your Lord, so whosoever sees, will do so for (the good of) his ownself, and whosoever blinds himself, will do so to his own harm, and I (Muhammad ) am not a watcher over you.
105. Thus We explain variously the Verses so that they (the disbelievers) may say: "You have studied (the Books of the people of the Scripture and brought this Qur'ân from that)" and that We may make the matter clear for the people who have knowledge.
106. Follow what has been inspired to you (O Muhammad ) from your Lord, Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) and turn aside from Al-Mushrikûn.
107. Had Allâh willed, they would not have taken others besides Him in worship. And We have not made you a watcher over them nor are you set over them to dispose of their affairs.
108. And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh, lest they insult Allâh wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair*seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.
109. And they swear their strongest oaths by Allâh, that if there came to them a sign, they would surely believe therein. Say: "Signs are but with Allâh and what will make you (Muslims) perceive that (even) if it (the sign) came, they will not believe?"
110. And We shall turn their hearts and their eyes away (from guidance), as they refused to believe therein for the first time, and We shall leave them in their trespass to wander blindly.
111. And even if We had sent down unto them angels, and the dead had spoken unto them, and We had gathered together all things before their very eyes, they would not have believed, unless Allâh willed, but most of them behave ignorantly.
I know it's long, but you have to learn properly and not just a few verses at a time. If you're going to discuss text from the Qur'an, the least you can do is read all of it and give it the respect it deserves.
Peace,
Hana
