Does Islam Sanction Terrorism?
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wilberhum
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Right!:hiding:
You see the smoke of burning Muslims in every corner of the Kingdom.:thumbs_do
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You have provided a single reliable evidence to support your claims. I suggest you reread Keltoi's post, equationg ones self with Jesus does not make one a Christian.
I agree though, that the media is biased towards when it comes to religious terrorism. If he had compared himself to Allah or Muhammed, everyone would have been talking about jihad, Islam etc.
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Most of these utter nutters' motives are more political in nature - they're responding to genuine political grievances in the absolutely most incorrect way imaginable.
Often, it appears they don't look to things such as the Quran to give credence to their crimes before they commit them, but rather, after the event, in the form of a video incorporating twisted verses as a disgusting taunt to their victims.
P.s. I'm disappointed at the mudslinging in this thread and people equating suffering worldwide to a papercut.
For those unable to read between the lines - stop doing the above or this thread will probably be locked.
Often, it appears they don't look to things such as the Quran to give credence to their crimes before they commit them, but rather, after the event, in the form of a video incorporating twisted verses as a disgusting taunt to their victims.
P.s. I'm disappointed at the mudslinging in this thread and people equating suffering worldwide to a papercut.
For those unable to read between the lines - stop doing the above or this thread will probably be locked.
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I'm not only disappointed, I'm angry that a mod would distort something to the point it is a lie. :raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging
How would you comparing how British Muslims situation to the German Jews who were tortured and murdered by the millions to those poor Muslims that the press give a bad name to?
You compare bad press with seeing your whole family thrown in the ovens.
I think you need to take a long look in the mirror. :?:?
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Sounds like you're doing a fair bit of distorting yourself.
The person you made the 'paper cut' reply to was talking of 'oppression against Muslims' not just 'bad press'. You then belittled this by calling it a 'paper cut' and the Holocaust (rightly) a 'beheading'. Another poster then (morally wrongly) said the Holocaust was 'exagerrated'.
I am truly sorry if I offended you. If I've misunderstood something, it's my fault. Let's just not be wantonly cruel to each other, eh? Makes the world a slightly nicer place to live in.
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Edit: I read the post in question again, and it was indeed talking about propaganda as opposed to genocide. My (very silly) bad.
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It would seem the original poster DID compare the holocaust to the state of the muslim population in Britain.:
She might have been refering to the pre-holocaust discrimiantion, which is still equating a papercut with something severely worse.
And she might have been talking about the oppression of muslims in general...even such comparison is inapropriate.
Later, another poster popped in and said the holocaust was exaggerated.
Well, that's one way to interpret it...starrryeyes said:
She might have been refering to the pre-holocaust discrimiantion, which is still equating a papercut with something severely worse.
And she might have been talking about the oppression of muslims in general...even such comparison is inapropriate.
Later, another poster popped in and said the holocaust was exaggerated.
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I like the blue ones best.
That aside, think you, kinda.
The Holocaust is the most inhuman action any group has done to another.
There is no comparison.
That does not lessen the suffering of anyone, anyplace else.
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i think the point was that there is an ugly backlash building against muslims in europe = muslims are becoming the most popular hate group. muslims are seen as a threat to the "christian character" of europe - a foreign presence on european soil - the jews were also seen as such. in theory, it could be compared to the building backlash against jews prior to the holocaust. politicians have a way of using/manipulating existing prejudices for their own ends. hitler didn't create anti-semiticism, he worked with what was already there.
is the opression of muslims in europe the same as the opression of jews in europe prior to WW2? no. could it get that bad? yes.
could it happen again? do we learn from history?
is the opression of muslims in europe the same as the opression of jews in europe prior to WW2? no. could it get that bad? yes.
could it happen again? do we learn from history?
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Somehow I don't see people making lampshades out of Muslims' skin. It would probably be too brown for such people's 'Whiter-than-a-blacklight-in-your-teeth' tastes.
But more on topic, a lot of terrorists who call themselves Muslims have political problems and deal with them by killing civilians, contrary to law, morality and religion. It only tends to be after the event that they provide a few distorted religious verses, as if to taunt the people they just attacked. That is disgusting in and of itself - firstly, because such behaviour is viciously mean-spirited, and secondly because they're bending sacred texts into the shape of a middle finger to show people after committing crimes.
But more on topic, a lot of terrorists who call themselves Muslims have political problems and deal with them by killing civilians, contrary to law, morality and religion. It only tends to be after the event that they provide a few distorted religious verses, as if to taunt the people they just attacked. That is disgusting in and of itself - firstly, because such behaviour is viciously mean-spirited, and secondly because they're bending sacred texts into the shape of a middle finger to show people after committing crimes.
If we notice the demographic changes in Old Continent (especially the number of "youths"), we can ask, who would be able to make this Holocaust on whom in near future. But its off topic anyway.
And the topic is hard. Its hard because in muslim world its not easy to seperate politics from religion.Muslims often say that islam is not only religion but also law,political system and way of life etc etc. So sometimes political goals in muslim world are connected with religion and vice versa. On the other hand we can't deny that not only islam has its aggressive side, for example Judaism and its texts are also used by some to create violence in Middle East.As i said, its hard topic.
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yes it is.
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History does tend to repeat itself, the difference is that it usually isn't repeated by the same people.
What I'm saying is that Judaism and Christianity have gone through the moral and ethical failures that have permanently scarred those faiths. In the case of Christianity there was reform(the Reformation). I think Islam will be forced to take a hard look at itself eventually and will also see some kind of reform. That doesn't mean Islam as a whole is a "problem", any more than the Crusades or the Inquisition were based on sound Christian doctrine. However, when people can use religion and religious zeal to justify inhuman acts of barbarism and cruelty, that points to a problem. In the case of Christianity the problem was centralized power under the Catholic Church, which held sway over an illiterate "flock" who took the word of the Pope as the Word of God. The Reformation changed this forever, and it had a major impact on Christian religious life.
I'm not sure what the source of the problem is in Islam...it is probably a situation similar to Christianity under a Pope, but decentralized to a large number of religious leaders who do not teach sound Islamic doctrine.
Of course there is politics in the mix too, just as there was during the Crusades, but if we didn't realize this already, politics and religion can lead to a very bad situation.
What I'm saying is that Judaism and Christianity have gone through the moral and ethical failures that have permanently scarred those faiths. In the case of Christianity there was reform(the Reformation). I think Islam will be forced to take a hard look at itself eventually and will also see some kind of reform. That doesn't mean Islam as a whole is a "problem", any more than the Crusades or the Inquisition were based on sound Christian doctrine. However, when people can use religion and religious zeal to justify inhuman acts of barbarism and cruelty, that points to a problem. In the case of Christianity the problem was centralized power under the Catholic Church, which held sway over an illiterate "flock" who took the word of the Pope as the Word of God. The Reformation changed this forever, and it had a major impact on Christian religious life.
I'm not sure what the source of the problem is in Islam...it is probably a situation similar to Christianity under a Pope, but decentralized to a large number of religious leaders who do not teach sound Islamic doctrine.
Of course there is politics in the mix too, just as there was during the Crusades, but if we didn't realize this already, politics and religion can lead to a very bad situation.
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Sikhs in india 1984 - present!
Genocides of Native Americans in the United States...
The Black War refers to a period of conflict between the British colonists and Tasmanian Aborigines...
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki....
1971 Bangladesh atrocities, Operation Searchlight, and Bangladesh Liberation War....
Rawanda...
Sudan.....to name but a few.
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None of those can compare in scope to the genocide of 6 million Jews in a matter of a few years. Yes, there are other horrifying events in the world, past and present, but the Holocaust is and hopefully will remain the most horrifying single act of mass genocide the world has yet seen.
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If you are the one person who is being targeted, I hardly think it is comforting to know that there are not another 5,999,999 persons going to die along with you, so your death isn't going to somehow be as terrible of a tragedy.
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Why because they happened to be Jews? What happened in Combodia? how many millions died there? It's a sad state of affairs when a person wants to compete with mass murder of a few to millions.
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Rwandan Genocide Tutsis spring to mind as the exact same thing happned to them. Only, they were clubbed to death and butchered with machetes, on the streets like seals going to the slaughter!
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Rwandan Genocide Tutsis spring to mind as the exact same thing happned to them. Only, they were clubbed to death and butchered with machetes, on the streets like seals going to the slaughter!
Yes, it was just as bad. I had friends living in Rwanda at the time. I've also had friends living in the Congo (formerly Zairie) and Liberia, members of my church, during their bloody uprisings. They were fortunate that all of their family survived, but they lost friends and co-workers, and young man that had lived with me for a few weeks got the news that his finance had been raped and mutilated but survived.
I think that the reason that Keltoi said that nothing can compare to the genocide of 6 million Jews in the Europe is simply because 6 million is a larger number than the roughly 2 million that Pol Pot's Khmer Rogue murdered, and didn't have anything to do with nationality, race, or religion.
But for me, the horror of genocide seems, at the personal level, to be the same regardless of numbers. It was only a few thousand Arawaks that suffered as a result of the arrival of the Spanish in the New World, but I don't imagine that their misfortune was any less tragic just because there were less of them, or even that Columbus didn't come with the intent to commit genocide. That was nonetheless the result of his stumbling upon them. And for those who suffered through it, the tragedy of one is as great as the horror of millions.