Does Secularism/Secular Law/Separation of Religion and Politics lead to Atheism ?

[MustafaMc]

Abdulhamid (1876-1909) famously refused to meet Mizray Qrasow, the Jewish banker who had offered to pay off the Empire's debts and build a navy in exchange for the right to buy land in Palestine.

Again, something I didn't know. How were the British able to get the Arabs to rebel against the Ottomans?

 

[جوري]

Again, something I didn't know. How were the British able to get the Arabs to rebel against the Ottomans?

They were very sneaky, you know even Marmduk pickthall tried one last ditch effort to save it, and he was I think a Lord at the time in the British system.. I have a imran hussain lectures on how it happened I know he's off on many things but that was accurate. Unfortunately the empire was very weak in its last two hundred years and the divide and conquer thing worked well for the Brits.. walhi it breaks my heart to think of it as this is unprecedented.. imagine that since Islam's inception we've had an ummah and just the last hundred years or so it has completely dissolved.. =( and every attempt to get it together is nipped in the bud :hmm:

 

[MustafaMc]

imagine that since Islam's inception we've had an ummah and just the last hundred years or so it has completely dissolved

Yes, that is sad, but in another way you can relate to an earlier post you made and say, "The fat lady hasn't sang yet!"

 

[جوري]

Yes, that is sad, but in another way you can relate to an earlier post you made and say, "The fat lady hasn't sang yet!"

she's singing now

 

[MustafaMc]

she's singing now

Yeah, literally so, but figuratively, no.

From wikipedia: It ain't over till (or until) the fat lady sings is a colloquialism, essentially meaning that one should not assume the outcome of some activity (e.g. a sporting contest) until it has actually finished, similar to a common proverb. It is a perception of Grand Opera, with its stereotypically overweight sopranos.

 

[Darth Ultor]

By the way, how was a new Caliph chosen after one died?

 

[جوري]

Yeah, literally so, but figuratively, no.

From wikipedia: It ain't over till (or until) the fat lady sings is a colloquialism, essentially meaning that one should not assume the outcome of some activity (e.g. a sporting contest) until it has actually finished, similar to a common proverb. It is a perception of Grand Opera, with its stereotypically overweight sopranos.

I knew that but thought the one in the video was just adorable..

By the way, how was a new Caliph chosen after one died?

The best candidates come forth and people offer mobaya3a..

best,

 

[Darth Ultor]

Uh..I don't know Arabic, only a few words and phrases (though I can say the whole adhan and al-Fatiha). What's mobaya3a? Is it like a resume of Islamic knowledge?

 

[جوري]

Uh..I don't know Arabic, only a few words and phrases (though I can say the whole adhan and al-Fatiha). What's mobaya3a? Is it like a resume of Islamic knowledge?

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Al-Fath (The Victory) [48:10] [RECITE]

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Inna allatheena yubayiAAoonaka innama yubayiAAoona Allaha yadu Allahi fawqa aydeehim faman nakatha fainnama yankuthu AAala nafsihi waman awfa bima AAahada AAalayhu Allaha fasayuteehi ajran AAatheeman
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48:10 Verily those who plight their fealty to thee do no less than plight their fealty to Allah. the Hand of Allah is over their hands: then any one who violates his oath, does so to the harm of his own soul, and any one who fulfils what he has covenanted with Allah,- Allah will soon grant him a great Reward. ​

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[جوري]

sort of like raising your hand and saying aye..
the people elect you .. and now you've seen it first from the noble Quran...

peace