"Does the end justify the means" in Islam?

[Alqali]

Can you, as a Muslim, kill people for your family and the society's protection?

In the same sense, Can you kill children (1-13 years old) in order to directly send them to heaven? --in other words, sacrificing your afterlife future for the sake of those children's afterlife future? I hope my questions are clearly understood. Thank you.

 

[_ALI_]

Salam Alqali

Can you, as a Muslim, kill people for your family and the society's protection?

Are you asking about killing in self defence? Self defence is allowed in Islam but try to avoid "killing" in self defence .

In the same sense, Can you kill children (1-13 years old) in order to directly send them to heaven?

In Islam, murder is a really big crime so the answer is ofcourse, no.

005.032 مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الأرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِنْهُمْ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ فِي الأرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ
005.032 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Al-Qur'an, 005.032 (Al-Maeda [The Table, The Table Spread])

Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.910

in other words, sacrificing your afterlife future for the sake of those children's afterlife future?

Why don't you save both your afterlife and your children's afterlife? You should be a good Muslim yourself and urge you children to be good muslims. What do you think?

 

[Alqali]

Salam Alqali

Are you asking about killing in self defence? Self defence is allowed in Islam but try to avoid "killing" in self defence .[/QOUTE]
So killing is generally bad in Islam?


In Islam, murder is a really big crime so the answer is ofcourse, no.

005.032 مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الأرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِنْهُمْ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ فِي الأرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ
005.032 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Al-Qur'an, 005.032 (Al-Maeda [The Table, The Table Spread])

Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.910

Why don't you save both your afterlife and your children's afterlife? You should be a good Muslim yourself and urge you children to be good muslims. What do you think?

Killing them seems to be the sure-way of making them get to where I hope them to be.

Your quote really made me feel good somehow, how can I obtain such a software?

 

[Alqali]

sorry double post.

Salam Alqali

Are you asking about killing in self defence? Self defence is allowed in Islam but try to avoid "killing" in self defence .

So killing is generally bad in Islam?

 

[جوري]

Alqali, Islam is the religion of common sense.. look inside your soul and tell me do you think killing is justifiable for anything other than a like crime? Who are you or anyone else to judge how a person will turn out to be in the future?
killing is Haram unless it is to carry justice for a crime of equivalence..

 

[جوري]

on a side note, I am starting to wonder your motives or understanding of Islam.. since this is very basic knowledge where you don't even have to be deeply read or a scholar to infer. I don't want to accuse you of being a slicker in the holy month of Ramadan.. but we have had questionable characters on this board of late (impersonators) amongst others, that it leaves me with so much question as to your bizarre query.. if you were a woman who had just given birth, I'd brand you with frank postpartum psychosis... If you are sincere about this question, and/or carrying out vile acts to 'save' children from great evil in the future, then please get help.. this isn't a joking matter what you have written here!

 

[- IqRa -]

Can you kill children (1-13 years old) in order to directly send them to heaven? --in other words, sacrificing your afterlife future for the sake of those children's afterlife future? I hope my questions are clearly understood. Thank you.

No! :ermm:

 

[_ALI_]

So killing is generally bad in Islam?

Of course it is. Murder is one of the most heinous crimes. And killing children is, well, terrible. Though I agree with Gossamer skye that this is pretty basic knowledge. If you are a born Muslim, shouldn't you already know that?

 

[Alqali]

Of course it is. Murder is one of the most heinous crimes. And killing children is, well, terrible. Though I agree with Gossamer skye that this is pretty basic knowledge. If you are a born Muslim, shouldn't you already know that?

I just wanted more confirmation. I'm still not sure....i mean answer this question: "Would you be willing enough to switch places with your beloved sonif he was in hell and you in heaven?" Isn't that the same concept?

 

[Ali_008]

^^^ How can you even think that your son will be in Hell and you'll be in Heaven? Its neither fair nor Islamic to think this way Brother. You don't know Allah's mercy, nobody does. We can't even make an estimate of it because it is beyond our ken. Many Ahadeeth report that Allah forgave the biggest of sinners just because he liked a minute act of theirs. Don't you know the story of the man who killed 99 people? If you feel that somebody you know is going to hell then pray to Allah to guide him and to protect you from feeling safe from Allah's planning/devising. This (i.e. Feeling safe from Allah's planning/devising) is a Major (Kabaa'ir) Sin.

And InshAllah when you'll be in Heaven, there won't be any grief at all. Even if someone as beloved as your son goes to hell, it won't hurt you in the hereafter if you're in a good position.

 

[Alqali]

^^^ How can you even think that your son will be in Hell and you'll be in Heaven? Its neither fair nor Islamic to think this way Brother. You don't know Allah's mercy, nobody does. We can't even make an estimate of it because it is beyond our ken. Many Ahadeeth report that Allah forgave the biggest of sinners just because he liked a minute act of theirs. Don't you know the story of the man who killed 99 people? If you feel that somebody you know is going to hell then pray to Allah to guide him and to protect you from feeling safe from Allah's planning/devising. This (i.e. Feeling safe from Allah's planning/devising) is a Major (Kabaa'ir) Sin.

And InshAllah when you'll be in Heaven, there won't be any grief at all. Even if someone as beloved as your son goes to hell, it won't hurt you in the hereafter if you're in a good position.

Sorry I didn't mean to sound weird. But I'm just a kid and I've been thinking. The best and most sure way to get your child's or any child below puberty to heaven is by taking away their life before they make any sin, isn't it? That way you can fully know your child is going to be in safe hands--even if you've sacrificed your own afterlife. And you can trust that I won't start killing(I'm not crazy). Its just I've been thinking.

 

[- IqRa -]

^ Hold on, how old are you?

 

[Alqali]

I think I've almost found the answer...its really as simple as : "Would you obey Allah if he tells you to kill your own son?"---sorry I remember hearing a story in the mosque about something similar. Can anyone tell me the deeper to this? We're here in this world to serve Allah, yes? So Allah is first before anyone?..even out beloved ones?

 

[- IqRa -]

What are you trying to get at? And you were probably listening to Hadhrat Ibrahim Alayhis Salaam's story about when Allaah asked him to slaughter his son, that was a test for him.

You sound under 16 to me.

 

[Alqali]

No, I'm definitely older. Tell me, "would you choose Allah or your son?"

 

[- IqRa -]

Who do you think :-\

 

[S_87]

if youre gonna kill your children when they are kids to save them from hell why have them in the first place :?

 

[Alqali]

if youre gonna kill your children when they are kids to save them from hell why have them in the first place :?

You have a point but lets just say I don't have kids and that I want to "help" other kids. "Do you think it would be better to just not have kids so they wouldn't have a dark future?"

 

[- IqRa -]

SubhanAllaah, this has got to be one of the weirdest threads EVER on this forum.

"And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein, and the Wrath and the Curse of Allâh are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him."
[Qur'aan, Surah An-Nisa (4), Verse 93]

 

[S_87]

You have a point but lets just say I don't have kids and that I want to "help" other kids. "Do you think it would be better to just not have kids so they wouldn't have a dark future?"

nope because who gives you the right to judge these kids that they are going to end up in hell so ill protect them by killing them?

If someone asked me this question for real id tell them to kill themselves first to stop them from doing possible future sins. of course, im not telling you to do that since im assuming youre not actually serious in murdering children.