Dogs?

[barney]

Those are just my thoughts, i'm sure we can find a scholar's explanation/elaboration on that hadith as well inshallah...

yeah, that would be good if we could.

Science so far has advanced far enough to tell us that putting dirt onto plates is a bad idea. The soil contains billions of microrganisms and potentially lethal germs, at the very least stuff that will cause an upset stomach.
The Hadith I note diddnt say and then make another last wash with water.
Thats just added as a extra by you just now. (no offence).

Washing a plate with water is good. You can measure that by each wash the bacteria is lessened and lessened. Then wiping it with soil simply directly adds a billion germs onto the previously clean plate.
Science might not have advanced that far to explain it yet, perhaps we never will, but personally, I'll stick with just washing up my cats plate with fairy liquid and hot water, and leave the mud out of it.

 

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yeah, that would be good if we could.

Science so far has advanced far enough to tell us that putting dirt onto plates is a bad idea. The soil contains billions of microrganisms and potentially lethal germs, at the very least stuff that will cause an upset stomach.
The Hadith I note diddnt say and then make another last wash with water.
Thats just added as a extra by you just now. (no offence).

Washing a plate with water is good. You can measure that by each wash the bacteria is lessened and lessened. Then wiping it with soil simply directly adds a billion germs onto the previously clean plate.
Science might not have advanced that far to explain it yet, perhaps we never will, but personally, I'll stick with just washing up my cats plate with fairy liquid and hot water, and leave the mud out of it.

Al-Bukhaari and Muslim reported from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If a dog licks the vessel of any one of you, let him throw away its contents, then wash it seven times.” Muslim added: “the first time with earth.” (Al-Bukhaari bi Haashiyat al-Sindi, 1/44; Muslim, 1/234).

It is not the last washing that has to be done with earth, so there is no room for the objection mentioned in the question that this will make the clothes dirty. The clothes will be washed with water (after the washing with earth), and once they are dried and ironed, they will be cleaner than before. And Allaah knows best.​

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[barney]

Muslim: Book 002, Number 0551:
Ibn Mughaffal reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ordered killing of the dogs, and then said: What about them, i. e. about other dogs? and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time.

So nobody can remember what he said really, other than earth was involved in rubbing the plates.

I'll take it as the first time, but that still makes no logical sense.
Thanks for the links anyway.

 

[islamirama]

Muslim: Book 002, Number 0551:
Ibn Mughaffal reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ordered killing of the dogs, and then said: What about them, i. e. about other dogs? and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time.

So nobody can remember what he said really, other than earth was involved in rubbing the plates.

I'll take it as the first time, but that still makes no logical sense.
Thanks for the links anyway.

Ibn Mughffal is the only one who said it 8 times. There's some variations in the narrations (http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/002_smt.html)
But the hadith i posted shows from both Bukhari and Muslim collection of what Abu hurayrah had said.

In either case, You don't understand the logic as many didn't understand the logic behind other things till science caught up with Islam and explained. So for now you can just accepted that it is what was revealed to the Messenger of Allah (saws) and passed down to Muslims as a means of purification against the saliva of the Dog. As for the logical understanding of it, you'll just have to wait till science advances a bit further in microbiology to explain the logic.