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Brother [MENTION=5674]ibn-Adam[/MENTION] is right.

Sister [MENTION=38772]Bhabha[/MENTION] following an isolated opinion is very dangerous. You'll be able to find an isolated opinion for absolutely anything you search for. One even states that a man can view his potential spouse naked to see if she pleases him. Yet this is Haraam according to every other scholar and with good reason. Thus no one is allowed to follow this ruling. You wouldn't follow that, would you? It shows how an isolated opinion cannot be taken for any ruling.
If the vast majority of scholars have rejected a certain fatwa, there's wisdom in that.
Scholars who maintain that dogs' saliva is impure do not hate dogs - rather, they're upholding the law of Allah. We cannot follow our own desires when it comes to Deen. Dogs are a creation of Allah and must be treated well, without transgressing the limits that Allah has set.
 
ibn-Adam said:
Nobody hates them. There are clear rulings for keeping a dog. If you want to follow the Religion, follow it properly and fear Allah. Searching for isolated opinions to suit your desire will only lead you astray.

Please read those threads.
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This is not an isolated opinion. Did you even bother to read the whole post? It is rational, well articulated and applicable. If a dog's nature is to accompany humans, to aid them, how then is it isolate to postulate that the reference to being impure was not in fact because of rabies or other diseases that could be transmitted through the dog's saliva, which is why you would wash the bowl, which is WHY a dog that has no rabies is able to make a hunting partner and fetch for his master the kill. A dog with rabies would be unable to do this. The ruling is not clear for dogs, because the ruling on the dog is referencing a KNOWN disease for the dog. Sorry, but "Muslim" culture in Muslim's countries are very hateful towards dogs and I would actually not be surprised to see that rulings which are admissible come from countries, who have a history of disliking these animals. As such, I do not follow them.
 
Aisha said:
Brother @ibn-Adam is right.

Sister @Bhabha following an isolated opinion is very dangerous. You'll be able to find an isolated opinion for absolutely anything you search for. One even states that a man can view his potential spouse naked to see if she pleases him. Yet this is Haraam according to every other scholar and with good reason. Thus no one is allowed to follow this ruling. You wouldn't follow that, would you? It shows how an isolated opinion cannot be taken for any ruling.
If the vast majority of scholars have rejected a certain fatwa, there's wisdom in that.
Scholars who maintain that dogs' saliva is impure do not hate dogs - rather, they're upholding the law of Allah. We cannot follow our own desires when it comes to Deen. Dogs are a creation of Allah and must be treated well, without transgressing the limits that Allah has set.
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Thank you, dogs are a creation of Allah and how can a creation be impure? Specially one that is consistently named throughout the books. The impurity is contextual, otherwise getting the animal that your dog helped you to hunt, would also render that animal for eating ​impure.
 
Bhabha said:
Thank you, dogs are a creation of Allah and how can a creation be impure? Specially one that is consistently named throughout the books. The impurity is contextual, otherwise getting the animal that your dog helped you to hunt, would also render that animal for eating ​impure.
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I think there is a misunderstanding.

Dogs are not hated by Muslims. Like any other animal, they have the same rights.

Dogs are not impure as a whole. Their saliva is impure because that is what is mentioned in the Hadith.

Dogs can be kept as pet, but not inside your home. Qur'an also mentions this, that the dog of People of Cave stayed at the entrance, it did not enter inside.
 
Bhabha said:
Thank you, dogs are a creation of Allah and how can a creation be impure? Specially one that is consistently named throughout the books. The impurity is contextual, otherwise getting the animal that your dog helped you to hunt, would also render that animal for eating ​impure.
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Allah also created the blood that runs in our veins, yet that blood is impure.
Allah created pigs, pigs are impure.
Allah created certain plants which are poisonous, ingesting them will kill you.

Therefore it's wrong to say that a creation can't be impure. In this case, the saliva is impure.

We can't claim to know the reasoning behind Allah's commands but we do know that they far supersede our own logic. What you're doing here is applying your own logic and negating the limits set in the Hadith.

And the isolated opinion I mentioned before? The scholar based it on Quran and Sunnah too, according to his understanding. He didn't just pull it out of his pocket. He researched to the best of his ability. Yet it's not accepted.

To cut to the chase, this depends on how much value you place on the Hadith and whether you're willing to set aside your desires and accept the limits set by Allah. There's nothing more to say.
 
ibn-Adam said:
I think there is a misunderstanding.

Dogs are not hated by Muslims. Like any other animal, they have the same rights.

Dogs are not impure as a whole. Their saliva is impure because that is what is mentioned in the Hadith.

Dogs can be kept as pet, but not inside your home. Qur'an also mentions this, that the dog of People of Cave stayed at the entrance, it did not enter inside.
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Ok, so I guess keeping a dog outside in the heat and in the freezing cold is a great way to take care of an animal.
 
Bhabha said:
Ok, so I guess keeping a dog outside in the heat and in the freezing cold is a great way to take care of an animal.
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If you are so keen on keeping it, you can create a kennel for it, with everything required to keep it safe from extreme temperatures.
 
^ Who said you can't build a shelter for it? I've seen guard dogs in a Muslim country who have their own shelters and are usually fed before the people of the house get to eat! They do a pretty good job protecting the people, property and livestock and are treated well.
Keeping it outside in the cold and heat with no protection wouldn't be fulfilling it's rights.
 
Aisha said:
Allah also created the blood that runs in our veins, yet that blood is impure.
Allah created pigs, pigs are impure.
Allah created certain plants which are poisonous, ingesting them will kill you.

Therefore it's wrong to say that a creation can't be impure. In this case, the saliva is impure.

We can't claim to know the reasoning behind Allah's commands but we do know that they far supersede our own logic. What you're doing here is applying your own logic and negating the limits set in the Hadith.

And the isolated opinion I mentioned before? The scholar based it on Quran and Sunnah too, according to his understanding. He didn't just pull it out of his pocket. He researched to the best of his ability. Yet it's not accepted.

To cut to the chase, this depends on how much value you place on the Hadith and whether you're willing to set aside your desires and accept the limits set by Allah. There's nothing more to say.
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There is nothing that states the dog is impure, the only reference is to the SALIVA and you have to obviously clean yourself if a dog licks you, not just to pray but because its hygenic. :/

So because blood runs through your veins, you are impure?
So because there are poisonous plants, you should destroy these plants?
 
Aisha said:
^ Who said you can't build a shelter for it? I've seen guard dogs in a Muslim country who have their own shelters and are usually fed before the people of the house get to eat! They do a pretty good job protecting the people, property and livestock and are treated well.
Keeping it outside in the cold and heat with no protection wouldn't be fulfilling it's rights.
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Assuming the person has enough money AND space to keep the dog outside. You forget not everyone lives in lavish country homes.
 
ibn-Adam said:
I think there is a misunderstanding.

Dogs are not hated by Muslims. Like any other animal, they have the same rights.

Dogs are not impure as a whole. Their saliva is impure because that is what is mentioned in the Hadith.

Dogs can be kept as pet, but not inside your home. Qur'an also mentions this, that the dog of People of Cave stayed at the entrance, it did not enter inside.
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my opinion was wrong and Ibn-Adam corrected me with sources, may Allah reward him for it.

The dog was guarding the threshold, which I had assumed was in the cave, but in reality was outside it.
 
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Cpt.America said:
Whatever your opinion is sister, you do at least agree, that if said dog licks you, you'll have to change your clothes and make wudu for praying salaat?
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My dog doesn't lick me. He's well trained and doesn't go near my room or prayer area. But yes I do whudhu before praying.

Also. He's super clean..... Like very clean
 
You completely misunderstood my point. You stated that 'how can a creation be impure?' So I mentioned a few examples of creations that are very much impure.
Dogs' saliva is impure, as I stated. To keep a dog out of necessity (protection, hunting, guide dog for the blind etc) is permissible, as long as the conditions are met.

I honestly don't see why it's so necessary to have a pet dog anyway. If in doubt, leave it out.
 
Bhabha said:
My dog doesn't lick me. He's well trained and doesn't go near my room or prayer area. But yes I do whudhu before praying.

Also. He's super clean..... Like very clean
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I don't doubt that he is clean, it is just that the Hadith speaks on the nature of their saliva (which is never dirty nor clean, it is just saliva for dogs)
But it (dog saliva) has been deemed impure for us humans, which is why I asked is all.
 
Cpt.America said:
The dog was inside the cave, guarding its entrance.

It was not outside the cave.
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And you would think them awake, while they were asleep. And We turned them to the right and to the left, while their dog stretched his forelegs at the entrance. If you had looked at them, you would have turned from them in flight and been filled by them with terror. [18:18]


From Tafsir,

(and their dog stretching forth his two forelegs at the Wasid)
Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr and Qatadah said: "The Wasid means the threshold.'' Ibn `Abbas said: "By the door.'' It was said: "On the ground.'' The correct view is that it means on the threshold, i.e., at the door.

Their dog lay down at the door, as is the habit of dogs. Ibn Jurayj said, "He was guarding the door for them.'' It was his nature and habit to lie down at their door as if guarding them. He was sitting outside the door, because the angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog, as was reported in As-Sahih, nor do they enter a house in which there is an image, a person in a state of ritual impurity or a disbeliever, as was narrated in the Hasan Hadith. The blessing they enjoyed extended to their dog, so the sleep that overtook them overtook him too. This is the benefit of accompanying good people, and so this dog attained fame and stature.

Source: http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2738&Itemid=73
 
Aisha said:
You completely misunderstood my point. You stated that 'how can a creation be impure?' So I mentioned a few examples of creations that are very much impure.
Dogs' saliva is impure, as I stated. To keep a dog out of necessity (protection, hunting, guide dog for the blind etc) is permissible, as long as the conditions are met.

I honestly don't see why it's so necessary to have a pet dog anyway. If in doubt, leave it out.
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You might not care for dogs. But I love dogs and consider them great companions. That is the way اللهُ has created me, to love dogs and animals and to want to keep and care for them.

You do as you please.
 
ibn-Adam said:
And you would think them awake, while they were asleep. And We turned them to the right and to the left, while their dog stretched his forelegs at the entrance. If you had looked at them, you would have turned from them in flight and been filled by them with terror. [18:18]


From Tafsir,

(and their dog stretching forth his two forelegs at the Wasid)
Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr and Qatadah said: "The Wasid means the threshold.'' Ibn `Abbas said: "By the door.'' It was said: "On the ground.'' The correct view is that it means on the threshold, i.e., at the door.

Their dog lay down at the door, as is the habit of dogs. Ibn Jurayj said, "He was guarding the door for them.'' It was his nature and habit to lie down at their door as if guarding them. He was sitting outside the door, because the angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog, as was reported in As-Sahih, nor do they enter a house in which there is an image, a person in a state of ritual impurity or a disbeliever, as was narrated in the Hasan Hadith. The blessing they enjoyed extended to their dog, so the sleep that overtook them overtook him too. This is the benefit of accompanying good people, and so this dog attained fame and stature.

Source: http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2738&Itemid=73
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Jazakallah for the clarification my bro, much appreciated knowledge <3
 
Bhabha said:
You might not care for dogs. But I love dogs and consider them great companions. That is the way اللهُ has created me, to love dogs and animals and to want to keep and care for them.

You do as you please.
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Careful with the assumptions there. :D You know what they say about assuming..
 

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