Don't be shy to fly our flag

[therebbe]

Yep you can either vote for Homosexuality or more killing of muslims which one you choose?

Homosexuality will exist, if you deny them marriage you will not all of a sudden see Homosexuality disapear. Its not like there is a vote to have homosexuality banned. You cannot do that.

But how about looking on the positive side of politics?

You can vote for better education, or less taxes to pay.

 

[Keltoi]

Speaking for me personally, when I fly the American flag it is in remembrance for those who serve and served my country, those that paid the ultimate sacrifice and those who came home, like Woodrow. Thanks for the service Woodrow.

 

[Islamicboy]

Homosexuality will exist, if you deny them marriage you will not all of a sudden see Homosexuality disapear. Its not like there is a vote to have homosexuality banned. You cannot do that.

But how about looking on the positive side of politics?

You can vote for better education, or less taxes to pay.

Actually if you vote for conservatives you will vote out homosexuality but there will be wars all over the muslim world. If you vote liberials there will be no wars but homosexuality will be allowed. Besides I meant for the muslims who vote in america ofcourse this affects them more then non muslims.

 

[Woodrow]

Yep you can either vote for Homosexuality or more killing of muslims which one you choose?

It is not quite as morbid as you make it seem. Our biggest enemy in the USA has been public apathy, too many people have become compaicent and fail to take up their individual responsability to assure that our elected officials truly do represent the views of the people. To see the overall views you have to meet people from each region and each State. If you were to do so, I believe you would see that there are more people that favor the rights of Palestine and the other Islamic countries, than that are opposed. We just need to get away from our cozy chairs and make our views known.

I grew up in the New England States. I loved the scenary and the natural Beauty of Northern Ct and Western Massachusets. But, I do not like the politics of the region, so now I choose to live in Texas. Many American's are fed up with the big business policies of some of our elected officials and time will show that dissatisfaction as election years come.

 

[Keltoi]

I think another major problem is the two-party system itself, but that is way off topic.

 

[therebbe]

Actually if you vote for conservatives you will vote out homosexuality but there will be wars all over the muslim world. If you vote liberials there will be no wars but homosexuality will be allowed. Besides I meant for the muslims who vote in america ofcourse this affects them more then non muslims.

Completly wrong.

The conservatives in America can limit the rights of Homosexuals, like denying them marriage rights, but Homosexuality will not cease to exist no matter who is in power. It is against the Constitution to 'ban homosexuality'. It will not happen.

If you elect liberals you will not see wars go away either, because hate it or love it, America will defend itself against terrorism under a liberal or conservative. The response time, and the threat the country is under will effect how much liberals will defend America as opposed to Democrats.

 

[Islamicboy]

It is not quite as morbid as you make it seem. Our biggest enemy in the USA has been public apathy, too many people have become compaicent and fail to take up their individual responsability to assure that our elected officials truly do represent the views of the people. To see the overall views you have to meet people from each region and each State. If you were to do so, I believe you would see that there are more people that favor the rights of Palestine and the other Islamic countries, than that are opposed. We just need to get away from our cozy chairs and make our views known.

I grew up in the New England States. I loved the scenary and the natural Beauty of Northern Ct and Western Massachusets. But, I do not like the politics of the region, so now I choose to live in Texas. Many American's are fed up with the big business policies of some of our elected officials and time will show that dissatisfaction as election years come.

As far as i am concered the whole world protested U.N. did not even allow america to go to war yet geroge bush did. If it was a muslim country or any other country besides west. They would have been in big trouble with U.N. So me going around talking to helpless government offcials will not do me any good. I rather just stay in my cozy chair.

 

[therebbe]

U.N. did not even allow america to go to war yet geroge bush did. If it was a muslim country or any other country besides west. They would have been in big trouble with U.N.

Be sure to not contradict yourself though. There were a huge list of UN resolutions Iraq did not follow either. So be sure to condemn Saddam Hussien at the same rate you condemn Bush for not following the UN's orders.

 

[Islamicboy]

Completly wrong.

The conservatives in America can limit the rights of Homosexuals, like denying them marriage rights, but Homosexuality will not cease to exist no matter who is in power. It is against the Constitution to 'ban homosexuality'. It will not happen.

If you elect liberals you will not see wars go away either, because hate it or love it, America will defend itself against terrorism under a liberal or conservative. The response time, and the threat the country is under will effect how much liberals will defend America as opposed to Democrats.

When america went to iraq they were defending themselves interesting. Liberal government wouldnt have went into iraq or backed israel aggression agianst Lebanon.

 

[Keltoi]

You have to understand the dynamics of the U.N., and most importantly the Security Council. These nations aren't exactly best pals when it comes to diplomacy. The US and UK stick together, Russia and China stick together, and Germany and France stick together, at least until the conservative German prime minister was voted in. These people can't agree on anything except not to agree. These countries do things all the time that the other countries don't like, China and Russia veto almost anything put forward by the US. The UN is a confusing mess if you ask me, with little in the way of constructive action.

 

[Islamicboy]

Oli for food program I am not sure if you heard of it. But U.N. AKA United States of America has been stealing iraqi oli because saddam did listen to U.N. demands. There were many sanctions on Iraq.

Lets see America get same or atleast similar punishment from the United Nations.

 

[therebbe]

When america went to iraq they were defending themselves interesting. Liberal government wouldnt have went into iraq or backed israel aggression agianst Lebanon.

First off I was speaking about Afghanistan as the poster before was talking about.

Second of all, under Liberal goverment you are correct to assume that the Iraq invasion would not have occured. But your naive to think that under a liberal goverment Israel's attempt to dismarm Hezbollah would have not gotten support. (By the way if you support UN commands then you should also respect UN resolution 1559)

You should look at the vote in Congress. Only 7 congressmen opposed Israels action in the vote.

 

[Keltoi]

When america went to iraq they were defending themselves interesting. Liberal government wouldnt have went into iraq or backed israel aggression agianst Lebanon.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Democrats have a tendency to send troops into every little skirmish on the planet. With the ghost of 9-11 on everyone's back in the US government, I wouldn't look for love and friendship messages from the White House anytime soon.

 

[north_malaysian]

I am always a bit suspicious about anything that that may be seen as promoting Nationalism of any form. Our first Alligence should be to Allah(swt). I can not understand the views of a country that is Majority Muslim to embrace the flying of a secular flag. I do not believe the people are shy to fly the flag, I tend to believe that they see it as an attempt to place the Government above Allah(swt)

When I attended Constitutional Law classes, many Islamist students were upset when we've learnt that.......in accordance of our Federal Constitution....
...FEDERAL CONSTITUTION IS THE HIGHEST LAW OF THE LAND (MALAYSIA) AND NO LAWS SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN IT"

They've said that this amounted to 'shirk'. Furthermore I dont find any words of "Allah" or "God" in the Federal constitution.

 

[therebbe]

When I attended Constitutional Law classes, many Islamist students were upset when we've learnt that.......in accordance of our Federal Constitution....
...FEDERAL CONSTITUTION IS THE HIGHEST LAW OF THE LAND (MALAYSIA) AND NO LAWS SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN IT"

They've said that this amounted to 'shirk'. Furthermore I dont find any words of "Allah" or "God" in the Federal constitution.

So Malaysia seperates religion and goverment. Is that such a bad thing?

 

[Islamicboy]

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Democrats have a tendency to send troops into every little skirmish on the planet. With the ghost of 9-11 on everyone's back in the US government, I wouldn't look for love and friendship messages from the White House anytime soon.

The government expect to kill iraqis and afgansitani civilians and see love for the americans from them. Ofcourse Iraqis and Afganistanis will hate american and for sure this will lead to longer war.

 

[north_malaysian]

IMHO...

flying flags are just to remember how we have achieved freedom...thats all...

I put Allah above all...but i also love my country. It is just one big happy family. I'm not saying my country is perfect...but what is wrong in loving one imperfect country. If you don't support them...how they are going to improve into a better place for the muslims to live in...

I've seen beautiful small Malaysian and Penangite flags .... that I could tied them up in front of my house..... I'll buy it today....

 

[Woodrow]

Now that I have probably been guilty of being the cause of getting this thread side tracked. Let us briefly try to put this all into perspective and return to the topic.

I believe that although the topic was directed towards Malaysia, a side topic did come as an after thought that being. How much loyalty and respect should a person show towards the country they choose to live it. I believe nearly all of us are in agreement that we all need to abide to live by the laws of the country we choose to live in. That we do need to show minimal respect, as long as it is not contrary to our beliefs. That we do have a responsability to recognise any faults in our governments and to promote peacefull means to change any wrongs.

I can agree with syilla that the flag is merely recognision of gained freedoms and it does not have to be a replacement of Nationalism over religion.

So, to return this to topic. Is it possible to fly the flag with pride and not have it become a substitute for Allah(swt)

 

[Keltoi]

They expect to kill iraqis and afgansitani civilians and see love for the americans from them. Ofcourse Iraqis and Afganistanis will hate american and for sure this will lead to longer war.

Afghanistan is rather quiet compared to Iraq, except for the Taliban still prowling around in places near Pakistan and around Kandahar. Afghanistan has a chance to improve their lot tenfold in the near future, if the stability holds in Kabul and NATO and the U.S. keep the Taliban at bay as much as possible.

BACK ON TOPIC NOW

 

[Islamicboy]

We shouldnt be discussing this in this thread. As we are off topic and been warned by Woodrow.