Dr. Zakir Naik, Shahrukh Khan, Soha Ali Khan on NDTV

[aadil77]

I totally agree with bro islamirama, that is the reality with our families following desi culture.

We have members here who claim to be 'moderate' muslims and take hindus like sharukh khan as examples of good muslims. You can't pick and choose what god you want to pray to, what part of islam you want to believe in, you don't deserve to call yourself a muslim if you have this mentality

 

[Italianguy]

I totally agree with bro islamirama, that is the reality with our families following desi culture.

We have members here who claim to be 'moderate' muslims and take hindus like sharukh khan as examples of good muslims. You can't pick and choose what god you want to pray to, what part of islam you want to believe in, you don't deserve to call yourself a muslim if you have this mentality

I though Sharukh Khan was a Hindu? And Amitabh Bachchan? Are they Muslims?

 

[CosmicPathos]

The arabs watch bollywood movies also, at least the ones in the west. Bro in my community says after watching 2-3 times he gets the story easily. Bollywood is also very famous in indonesi and especially in malaysia. you have many malays hardcore fans of bollywood actors/actresses.



All the founding fathers of Pakistan were short sighted and because of this they lost out on what they could've had vs what they have now.

No bro. Allama Iqbal died in 1940 if I am not mistaken. 7 years before Pakistan's formation. If he were to see his brainchild nourishing in the form of Pakistan, Pakistan could be in a better shape than what we find it in today, at least that is what seems to be Iqbal's ideal from his amazing poetry in persian and Urdu. He talks about Khalid Bin Waleed in beautiful poetry .... His first hand experience of Western atheism is well captured in his poems ... He has one poem titled Nietzsche and lays out how a Muslim ought to use reason ...

 

[islamirama]

I though Sharukh Khan was a Hindu? And Amitabh Bachchan? Are they Muslims?

Aibtabh is a hindu. khan is from a muslim family but whether he is a muslim more not is in question considering he has hindu idols in his home and he raises his kids worshiping hindu idols like his hindu wife.

No bro. Allama Iqbal died in 1940 if I am not mistaken. 7 years before Pakistan's formation. If he were to see his brainchild nourishing in the form of Pakistan, Pakistan could be in a better shape than what we find it in today, at least that is what seems to be Iqbal's ideal from his amazing poetry in persian and Urdu. He talks about Khalid Bin Waleed in beautiful poetry .... His first hand experience of Western atheism is well captured in his poems ... He has one poem titled Nietzsche ...

I'm sure he did a lot but still they could have done a lot better if they had any long term planning and train of thought. Had they been more thoughtful, whole of punjab and kashmir would be part of pakistan from the start.

 

[Chuck]

No bro. Allama Iqbal died in 1940 if I am not mistaken. 7 years before Pakistan's formation. If he were to see his brainchild nourishing in the form of Pakistan, Pakistan could be in a better shape than what we find it in today, at least that is what seems to be Iqbal's ideal from his amazing poetry in persian and Urdu. He talks about Khalid Bin Waleed in beautiful poetry .... His first hand experience of Western atheism is well captured in his poems ... He has one poem titled Nietzsche and lays out how a Muslim ought to use reason ...

No Pakistan was Dr. Iqbal's idea, you can read his letters to Jinnah which are available online.

 

[aadil77]

I though Sharukh Khan was a Hindu? And Amitabh Bachchan? Are they Muslims?

no they're not, I don't think anyone in the bollywood film industry is actually muslim, they all end up submitting to hindu idol worship, just look at how each film starts with the worshipping of a hindu god

 

[Italianguy]

no they're not, I don't think anyone in the bollywood film industry is actually muslim, they all end up submitting to hindu idol worship, just look at how each film starts with the worshipping of a hindu god

Thats true, I have seen a hundred bollywood movies, and I notice allot of Hindu propaganda in them, I just ignore it. There are a couple of Islamic related bollywood films though, like Jodha Akbar. It's about a Muslim ruler during the persian empire (I think?) who marrys a Hindu woman.

 

[aadil77]

I would not trust zakir naik nor take knowledge from him. You're eman and akhira is on the line, are you going to entrust it to a weak link or the best scholar you can find? Do you go to any laymen doctor or one that knows what he's talking about?
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Bro I think everyone knows that Br Zakir Naik did make mistakes initially when he started giving lectures. I'm not sure if he has clarified them, but I'm sure he doesn't say those same things anymore

 

[Chuck]

Here are few letters:

8th May, 1937

My dear Mr. Jinnah,

Thank you so much for your letter which reached me in due course. I am glad to hear that you will bear in mind what I wrote to you about the changes in the constitution and programme of the League. I have no doubt that you fully realise the gravity of the situation as far as Muslim India is concerned. The League will have to finally decide whether it will remain a body representing the upper classes of Indian Muslims or Muslim masses who have so far, with good reason, no interest in it. Personally I believe that a political organisation which gives no promise of improving the lot of the average Muslim cannot attract our masses.

Under the new constitution the higher posts go to the sons of [the] upper classes; the smaller go to the friends or relatives of the ministers. In other matters too our political institutions have never thought of improving the lot of Muslims generally. The problem of bread is becoming more and more acute. The Muslim has begun to feel that he has been going down and down during the last 200 years. Ordinarily he believes that his poverty is due to Hindu money-lending or capitalism. The perception that equality [is (?)] due to foreign rule has not yet fully come to him. But it is bound to come. The atheistic socialism of Jawahar Lal [Nehru] is not likely to receive much response from the Muslims. The question therefore is: how is it possible to solve the problem of Muslim poverty? And the whole future of the League depends on the League's activity to solve this question. If the League can give no such promises I am sure the Muslim masses will remain indifferent to it as before.

Happily there is a solution in the enforcement of the Law of Islam and its further development in the light of modern ideas. After a long and careful study of Islamic Law I have come to the conclusion that if this system of Law is properly understood and applied, at last the right to subsistence is secured to every body. But the enforcement and development of the Shariat of Islam is impossible in this country without a free Muslim state or states. This has been my honest conviction for many years and I still believe this to be the only way to solve the problem of bread for Muslims as well as to secure a peaceful India.

If such a thing is impossible in India the only other alternative is a civil war which as a matter of fact has been going on for some time in the shape of Hindu Muslim riots. I fear that in certain parts of the country, e.g. N.W. India, Palestine may be repeated.. Also the insertion of Jawarhar Lal's socialism into the body-politic of Hinduism is likely to cause much bloodshed among the Hindus themselves. The issue between social democracy and Brahmanism is not dissimilar to the one between Brahmanism and Buddhism. Whether the fate of socialism will be the same as the fate of Buddhism in India I cannot say. But it is clear to my mind that if Hinduism accepts social democracy it must necessarily cease to be Hinduism.

For Islam the acceptance of social democracy in some suitable form and consistent with the legal pnncp!es of Islam is not a revolution but a return to the original punty of Islam. The modern problems therefore are far more easy to solve for the Musllms than for the Hindus. But as I have said above in order to make it possible for Muslim India to solve the problems it is necessary to redistribute the coun.ry and to provde one or more Muslim states with absolute majorities. Don't you think that the time for such a demand has already arrived? Perhaps this is the best reply you can give to the atheistic socialism of Jawahar Lal Nehru.

Anyhow I have given you my own thoughts in the hope that you will give them serious consideration either in your address or in the discussions of the coming session of the League. Muslim India hopes that at this serious juncture your genius will discover some way out of our present difficulties.

Yours Sincerely,
(Sd.) Mohammad. Iqbal

P.S. On the subject-matter of this letter I intended to write to you a long and open letter in the press. But on further consideration I felt that the present moment was not suitable for such a step.

Private and Confidential
Lahore
June 21st, 1937

My dear Mr. Jinnah,

Thank you so much for your letter which I received yesterday. I know you are a busy man; but I do hope you won't mind my writing to you so often, as you are the only Muslim in India today to whom the community has a right to look up for safe guidance through the storm which is coming to North*West India and perhaps to the whole of India. I tell you that we are actually living in a state of civil war which, but for the police and military, would become universal in no time.

During the last few months there has been a series of Hindu-Muslim riots in India. In North-West India alone there have been at least three riots during the last three months and at least four cases of vilification of the Prophet by Hindus and Sikhs. In each of these four cases, the vilifier has been murdered. There have also been cases of burning of the Qur'an in Sind. I have carefully studied the whole situation and believe that the real cause of these events is nither religious nor economic. It is purely political. I.e., the desire of the Sikhs and Hindus to intimidate Muslims even in the Muslim majority provinces. And the new constitution is such that even in the Muslim majority provinces, the Muslims are made entirely dependent on non-Muslims.

The result is that the Muslim Ministry can take no proper action and are even driven to do injustice to Musiims partly to please those on whom they depend, and partly to show that they are absolutely impartial. Thus it is clear that we have our specific reasons to reject this constitution. It seems to me that the new constitution is devised only to placate the Hindus. In the Hindu majority provinces, the Hindus have of course absolute majorities, and can ignore Muslims altogether. In Muslim majority provinces, the Muslims are made entirely dependent on Hindus. I have no doubt in my mind that this constitution is calculated to do infinite harm to the Indian Muslims. Apart from this it is no solution of the economic problem which is so acute among Muslims.

The only thing that the communal award grants to Muslims is the recognition of their political existence in India. But such a recognition granted to a people whom this constitution does not and cannot help in solving their problem of poverty can be of no value to them. The Congress. President has denied the political existence of Muslims in no unmistakable terms. The other Hindu political body, i.e., the Mahasabha, whom I regard as the real representative of the masses of the Hindus, has declared more than once that a united Hindu*Muslim nation is impossible in India. In these cirecumstances it is obvious that the only way to a peaceful India is a redistribution of the country on the lines of racial, religious and linguistic affinities. Many British statesmen also realise this, and the Hindu-Muslim riots which are rapidly coming in the wake of this constitution are sure further to open their eyes to the real situation in the country. I remember Lord Lothian told me before I left England that my scheme was the only possible solution of the troubles of India, but that may take 25 years to come.

Some Muslims in the Punjab are already suggesting the holding of [a] North-West Indian Muslim Conference, and the idea is rapidly spreading. I agree with you, however, that our community is not yet sufficiently organised and disciplined and perhaps the time for holding such a conference is not yet ripe. But I feel that it would be highly advisable for you to indicate in your address at least the line of action that the Muslims of North-West India would be finally driven to take.

To my mind the new constitution with its idea of a single Indian federation is completely hopeless. A separate federation of Muslim provinces, reformed on the lines I have suggested above, is the only course by which we can secure a peaceful India and save Muslims from the domination of non*Muslims. Why should not the Muslims of North-West India and Bengal be considered as nations entitled to self-determination just as other nations in India and outside India are?

Personally I think that the Muslims of North-West India and Bengal ought at present to ignore Muslim[-minority] provinces. This is the best course to adopt in the interests of both Muslim majority and minority provinces. It will therefore be better to hold the coming session of the League in the Punjab, and not in a Muslim minority province. The month of August is bad in Lahore. I think you should seriously consider the advisability of holding the coming session at Lahore in the middle of October when the weather is quite good in Lahore. The interest in the All-India Muslim League is rapidly growing in the Punjab, and the holding of the coming session in Lahore is likely to give a fresh political awakening to the Punjab Muslims.

Yours sincerely,
(Sd). Mohammad Iqbal
Bar-at-Law

 

[cat eyes]

:wa: i think brothers and sisters we are missing a very important point here.

ive witnessed fully practicing muslims who went astray before my very eyes and those were the same people who use to look down there noses at other muslims

because they were doing so many haraam things so just because we are practicing dose it make us any better then muslims who find it difficult to practice due to weak imaan?

instead of complaining about it, shouldnt we be praying for them instead?

yes shahruk khan is married with hindu its not accepted by the majority of scholars because they have like 100gods but what about those muslim men who marry women from christcianty? they worship there man god also

 

[aadil77]

No one is looking down on him sis and its not just about him marrying a hindu. The guy prays to hindu idols and Allah at the same time, hopefully you know that you can't pray to hindu idols and still call yourself a muslim.

 

[KittenLover]

What I find absolutely amazing is, THE PLOT OF BOLLYWOOD FILMS ARE ALL WAYS THE SAME, LOVE STORY!!!

DON'T PPL GET FED UP?? before it starts you know there's gonna be a love story some where!!

you seen 1 bollywood film you've seen them all.


I used to enjoy watching them but everything that is shown in them is against Islam.

and I've noticed a change in the clothing also, back in the day the actresses used to dress with some self respect now they dress like hookers. yuck

 

[Binyamine]

Peace Mercy And Blessing of Allah be upon all of us.

This is one a very bad one. People like Sharukh Khan, Soha Khan and other people who do not even have the basic knowledge on Islam were called to speak on Islam.

While people like Dr Zakir Naik who is quite knowledgable, all praise be to Allah, was constantly interrupted, and not given the right to speech when he should be.

And what about that weird statement: " i do not need to be a practising muslims, i just need to feel muslim ". From Shahrukh khan^o)

May Allah guide them to the truth.

 

[cat eyes]

No one is looking down on him sis and its not just about him marrying a hindu. The guy prays to hindu idols and Allah at the same time, hopefully you know that you can't pray to hindu idols and still call yourself a muslim.

but people seem to be constantly going on about muslims marrying into hindu women so many muslim go off and marry women from other faith and the kids dont practice islam at all.if u ask me is this more of a serious issue that needs to be addressed. i dont know why in heavens scholars allow these marriages when they know well enough the kids see the mother has role matter

 

[Predator]

The guy prays to hindu idols and Allah at the same time, hopefully you know that you can't pray to hindu idols and still call yourself a muslim.

And also Salman Khan does the same

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKSzB3VcwQ

And then the Fatwa was issued against him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py7s...B5129365F&index=7&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL

These actors mingle with the Kuffaars and then imitate them and as

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3512; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.

 

[Cabdullahi]

bollywood is bakwaswood its a simple as that....i used to watch their movies as a child but that was a long time ago...when it was mild and the sound effects delayed like 5 minutes after an action and the good guy fights the bad guy to pull his hair and look at it in astonishment .

 

[KittenLover]

I just watched this what a load of ignorant Muslim's they brought on the show :hmm:

literally every1 gave their own opinion

"I think the burka or hijaab should be personal choice"

lady we don't give two craps what you think hew why do people think they have a right to legislate what is acceptable in Islam and what isn't.

We have too many people wanting to follow their own opinion's and desires :raging:

Islam is clear we don't make it up as we go along according to ourselves, if your a Muslim your opinion don't mean jack when it comes to matters of the deen. The only opinions that matter are Allah's and the messenger and the first 3 generations.

why do people find it so hard to get this concept? :raging:

so many people say

"well I think this"

when it really doesn't matter what you think, unless your a rasool of Allah who is receiving inspiration from Allah which is not possible.

the response of the believers is

"we hear and we obey"

not

"we hear but we think this instead"

seeing such ignorant "Muslim's" really does my head in if they don't wanna follow it why don't they just call themselves something else instead of Muslim.

that would be better than giving your own opinion and interpretation and following the religion according to your desires. :raging:

Islam isn't a religion where you give your own input, it's a religion where you follow and ask for the ruling on a certain thing according to Qur'an wa sunnah.

 

[Cabdullahi]

I just watched this what a load of ignorant Muslim's they brought on the show :hmm:

literally every1 gave their own opinion lady we don't give two craps what you think hew why do people think they have a right to legislate what is acceptable in Islam and what isn't.

We have too many people wanting to follow their own opinion's and desires :raging:

Islam is clear we don't make it up as we go along according to ourselves, if your a Muslim your opinion don't mean jack when it comes to matters of the deen. The only opinions that matter are Allah's and the messenger and the first 3 generations.

why do people find it so hard to get this concept? :raging:

so many people say when it really doesn't matter what you think, unless your a rasool of Allah who is receiving inspiration from Allah which is not possible.

the response of the believers isnot

seeing such ignorant "Muslim's" really does my head in if they don't wanna follow it why don't they just call themselves something else instead of Muslim.

that would be better than giving your own opinion and interpretation and following the religion according to your desires. :raging:

Someone wants to kill someone....madame stay away from the big kitchen knife until you cool down :nervous:

 

[KittenLover]

Someone wants to kill someone....madame stay away from the big kitchen knife until you cool down :nervous:

I'm just deflated, desiring change but not likely to see it. May Allah guide them to the realization that they're meant to follow and not legislate for themselves.

 

[Cabdullahi]

I'm just deflated, desiring change but not likely to see it. May Allah guide them to the realization that they're meant to follow and not legislate for themselves.

Im tired of seeing people like that...it breaks my heart, so i've decided not to pay attention anymore to ppl like that.

Its a done deal...finish...finito!