Dressing appropriatly in U.S

[tigersabre]

I disagree with this post and criticisms of sisters wearing tight pants a bit. Not because I have a fiqhi difference of opinion - I agree with it, and I live in the US and my wife wears hijaab and jilbaab, and I have my own personal preferences thrown in there (nothing flashy or eye catching in the colors either).

However, it's not the dress code, it's the attitude of judgement that some of us have when we see something like this. We tend to have a 100% attitude - either you do all of it, or you don't, and that's it.

I saw a post earlier questioning whether these people were "true/strong" believers or not. I'm sorry, these are ridiculous things for people to be questioning by themselves.

Here's a hypothetical - if a scholar sees a Muslim prostrating before a grave or an idol, will he immediately make takfeer of him, or will he first question the person to understand if that person knows what is in front of him, or try to take an assessment of the situation? The answer is that he will first assess the situation by talking to the individual himself before making a judgement.

Likewise here - you don't know their situation, their level of knowledge, and for sure you don't know their level of Eman, and that can't be judged by watching one or two mistakes. We all make mistakes, some are apparent, and some are hidden.

When you see your brothers and sisters making mistakes, make an excuse for them so that you are not passing judgement and holding negative views of your brothers and sisters - then go to them and ask them why they are doing what they are doing, in a friendly way. You may find that they simply are not aware that they are doing something wrong. We've all been ignorant. Or it may be that the person knows what should be done, and they are gradually working their way into it. Is it better to wear tight jeans with or without a hijaab? Clearly, it's better with because you are gradually moving away from what is wrong to what is correct, and this is a principle the scholars advocate, that even if you can't totally correct a situation, if you can move it one step closer to something better, then do so.

Finally, let me conclude by saying that the opinion in the opening post, some may consider to be quite liberal, and would expect everything to be covered of the face, with only one eye open, and in some cases, no eyes showing with gloves on.

 

[truemuslim]

I disagree with this post and criticisms of sisters wearing tight pants a bit. Not because I have a fiqhi difference of opinion - I agree with it, and I live in the US and my wife wears hijaab and jilbaab, and I have my own personal preferences thrown in there (nothing flashy or eye catching in the colors either).

However, it's not the dress code, it's the attitude of judgement that some of us have when we see something like this. We tend to have a 100% attitude - either you do all of it, or you don't, and that's it.

I saw a post earlier questioning whether these people were "true/strong" believers or not. I'm sorry, these are ridiculous things for people to be questioning by themselves.

Here's a hypothetical - if a scholar sees a Muslim prostrating before a grave or an idol, will he immediately make takfeer of him, or will he first question the person to understand if that person knows what is in front of him, or try to take an assessment of the situation? The answer is that he will first assess the situation by talking to the individual himself before making a judgement.

Likewise here - you don't know their situation, their level of knowledge, and for sure you don't know their level of Eman, and that can't be judged by watching one or two mistakes. We all make mistakes, some are apparent, and some are hidden.

When you see your brothers and sisters making mistakes, make an excuse for them so that you are not passing judgement and holding negative views of your brothers and sisters - then go to them and ask them why they are doing what they are doing, in a friendly way. You may find that they simply are not aware that they are doing something wrong. We've all been ignorant. Or it may be that the person knows what should be done, and they are gradually working their way into it. Is it better to wear tight jeans with or without a hijaab? Clearly, it's better with because you are gradually moving away from what is wrong to what is correct, and this is a principle the scholars advocate, that even if you can't totally correct a situation, if you can move it one step closer to something better, then do so.

Finally, let me conclude by saying that the opinion in the opening post, some may consider to be quite liberal, and would expect everything to be covered of the face, with only one eye open, and in some cases, no eyes showing with gloves on.

hey i only wanted to tell you all what is satr...and i don't hate these people that do these, when i go to sunday school at my masjid i tell them about satr and things, most are my friends anyway...oh and do you have anything to say about boys droopin there pants?

that is a haram, i read it somewhere..i forget where tho... thanks

 

[tigersabre]

hey i only wanted to tell you all what is satr...and i don't hate these people that do these, when i go to sunday school at my masjid i tell them about satr and things, most are my friends anyway...oh and do you have anything to say about boys droopin there pants?

that is a haram, i read it somewhere..i forget where tho... thanks

See, it's not the ruling - it's how we treat the issue. I agree with the rulings that you're putting out there, I disagree with how we're looking at these people. We ought to look at them as brothers and sisters in Islam who need to bridge a gap, maybe in knowledge, maybe in positive support from others who are currently more practicing.

We also need to have our priorities straight - if a kid is sagging his pants, and he only calls himself Muslim because mom and dad told him he's Muslim, chances are that advising about sagging pants is not what he needs - what he needs is that someone start by building up his Eman, teaching him about tawheed, about jannah and naar, and getting his mind on that in a general sense (not, bro, if you don't stop sagging your pants, you'll go to hell). Once this person establishes Eman, and they're praying, you can start telling them about other things, like the fiqh of dress, and how one should be. When their mind is focused on Allah, and on al-akhirah, then the things that can stand in the way of that become easy to remove.

But many of our youth put the cart before the horse, and this is why people get annoyed with them - they don't know how to assess a situation and say, should I be talking to this Muslim about fiqh issues or Eman issues? The Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallim started with Eman issues in Makkah, and then Fiqh issues eventually in Madeenah. We ought to follow that model as well to bring Muslims closer to Allah and the practices that Allah has enjoined on us.

 

[truemuslim]

See, it's not the ruling - it's how we treat the issue. I agree with the rulings that you're putting out there, I disagree with how we're looking at these people. We ought to look at them as brothers and sisters in Islam who need to bridge a gap, maybe in knowledge, maybe in positive support from others who are currently more practicing.

We also need to have our priorities straight - if a kid is sagging his pants, and he only calls himself Muslim because mom and dad told him he's Muslim, chances are that advising about sagging pants is not what he needs - what he needs is that someone start by building up his Eman, teaching him about tawheed, about jannah and naar, and getting his mind on that in a general sense (not, bro, if you don't stop sagging your pants, you'll go to hell). Once this person establishes Eman, and they're praying, you can start telling them about other things, like the fiqh of dress, and how one should be. When their mind is focused on Allah, and on al-akhirah, then the things that can stand in the way of that become easy to remove.

But many of our youth put the cart before the horse, and this is why people get annoyed with them - they don't know how to assess a situation and say, should I be talking to this Muslim about fiqh issues or Eman issues? The Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallim started with Eman issues in Makkah, and then Fiqh issues eventually in Madeenah. We ought to follow that model as well to bring Muslims closer to Allah and the practices that Allah has enjoined on us.

i know i understand everything your saying, but i never did say anything like im annoyed by these people or anything, and yes thats true if there parents teach them about eman then they will learn more about how to dress properly and start praying and stuff. I think you really understand it well, I hope the muslim in all the countries learn about the iman right. Inshallah