Dutch anti-Islam lawmaker acquitted of hate speech

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6% of Dutchland is Muslim? Mashallah, lets eventually make that 60%. As it's been proven again and again and again, you can't supress the spread of Islam. You kill one Muslim in Afghanistan and God just puts another one in your own back yard.

Subhanallah.
 
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You have to know that there have also been convictions against people who insulted Muslims in the Netherlands. For example, a man was convicted after he put a poster on his appartment window that said 'Stop the cancer that is Islam'.

I just remembered. In the UK, there was a man who stole a copy of the Qur'an and tried to burn it in the streets. He was arrested and punished.
 
I'll be frank, but I believe nothing Wilders has said is on par with what is written about, say, polytheists (or unbelievers in general) in many holy books. Being consistent would probably mean banning all them as well.

You don't believe in hell, how would what's written in many holy books affect you?
 
I'll be frank, but I believe nothing Wilders has said is on par with what is written about, say, polytheists (or unbelievers in general) in many holy books. Being consistent would probably mean banning all them as well.

You failed to take into account the impact of hate speech. Let's assume all religious books (including non-abrahamic religions) claim that atheists are going to hell. Will this cause immediate danger to atheists in a sense that you will have the majority of religious followers carrying out attacks against atheists?

For Muslims, however, when there is a politician who insults Muslims and Islam, it is likely some Muslims will get attacked by non-Muslims.

You spot the difference? Besides, I thought atheists believed religious books are fiction. Why find something offensive when you believe it is not true? :/
 
According to various statistical "demographic predictions" made by various far-right groups, differences in birthrate will make Muslims a majority in Europe sometime 2020-2050. Total hogwash, but admit it, it would be really awesome if it was true. Islam conquered Europe not by sabres, bombs and machine guns, but by Islamic family values :statisfie
 
According to various statistical "demographic predictions" made by various far-right groups, differences in birthrate will make Muslims a majority in Europe sometime 2020-2050. Total hogwash, but admit it, it would be really awesome if it was true. Islam conquered Europe not by sabres, bombs and machine guns, but by Islamic family values :statisfie

Well, it could also be due to this.

Islam

According to Guinness Book of World Records, Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion by number of conversions each year: Although the religion began in Arabia, by 2002 80% of all believers in Islam lived outside the Arab world. In the period 1990-2000, approximately 12.5 million more people converted to Islam than to Christianity” (Guinness World Records 2003, pg 102).[26] In 1990, 935 million people were Muslims and this figure had risen to around 1.2 billion by the year 2000, meaning that around this time one in five people were followers of Islam. According to the BBC, a comprehensive American study concluded in 2009 the number stood at 1 in 4 with 60% of Muslims spread all over the Asian continent: A report from an American think-tank has estimated 1.57 billion Muslims populate the world - with 60% in Asia.[27][28] The report was done by the Pew Forum Research Centre.[28] The forum also projected that in 2010 out of the total number of Muslims in the world 62.1% will live in Asia.[27] However the report also included a statement saying While the global Muslim population is expected to grow at a faster rate than the non-Muslim population, the Muslim population nevertheless is expected to grow at a slower pace in the next two decades than it did in the previous two decades. From 1990 to 2010, the global Muslim population increased at an average annual rate of 2.2%, compared with the projected rate of 1.5% for the period from 2010 to 2030.[27] The report also made reference to the fact that Muslims are estimated to make up 23.4% of the total global population in 2010 (out of a total of 6.9 billion people) and that by 2030 Muslims will represent about 26.4% of the global population (out of a total of 8.9 billion people).

I understand the haters pain, they can only try to slow it down (by stopping immigration), not stop Islam spreading itself. They could burn every Quran, but ALOT people have it memorized cover to cover. They could try burning down Mosques, but God did make the whole Earth a place to worship him.
 
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I sometimes think that the efforts of the haters both in Europe and the US might actually help the cause of Islam by bringing more attention to it. After all, the rate of conversion to Islam increased in the US after the world trade center attack, simply due to higher exposure and Islam starting to make headlines like it never had before.
 
I sometimes think that the efforts of the haters both in Europe and the US might actually help the cause of Islam by bringing more attention to it. After all, the rate of conversion to Islam increased in the US after the world trade center attack, simply due to higher exposure and Islam starting to make headlines like it never had before.

This is what put Islam in the front of my mind, and really made me start studying it for myself instead of just believing everything I see about it on TV.

Then when the whole "Arab Spring" movement started, it put Islam in the headlines once again. I would have never thought myself that I would end up becoming a Muslim because of the headlines about Egypt, Tunisia, and Libya. Yet here I am...
 
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The Arab Spring began in... January? February? That's a pretty short time to become convinced. For me, first contact to shahada took a whole eight years. :confused:
 
I find it slightly amusing (and as a Muslim myself, quite a bit disturbing) that these European countries are freaking out over a very small minority of their population. UK, 4.6%. Netherlands, 5.5%, France 7.5%, Germany 5%. I would hardly call those figures an "Islamic Invasion" as some countries have claimed it to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe#Current_population

Salaam,

These people are paranoid lol. Muslim countries are being invaded and Muslims rights are under threat within non-Muslim countries. In addition, some Muslims are too busy fighting amongst each other. Muslims, as a whole, are not threat to anyone, externally or internally to western countries.
 
Ironically one major barrier to getting "hate speech" laws enacted is the writings/sayings and holy books of religions themselves, much of which people have feared may constitute "hate speech" against homosexuals and non-believers amongst others (including women in some cases). There was a big squabble a while back in Ottawa over "hate speech" laws potentially banning the Christian bible.
 
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The Arab Spring began in... January? February? That's a pretty short time to become convinced. For me, first contact to shahada took a whole eight years. :confused:

February was when the Egyptian Revolution took place, and that's when I really started reading the Qu'ran and studying Islam in depth. I knew of Islam before that thanks to 9/11, but I didn't really know anything about it other than what the Western media said about it on TV and online.

I was going to wait and learn more about Islam, but I already knew that I wanted to take shahada, so I went ahead and did it. I figured I can learn as I go, which is what I am doing now.
 
I find it slightly amusing (and as a Muslim myself, quite a bit disturbing) that these European countries are freaking out over a very small minority of their population. UK, 4.6%. Netherlands, 5.5%, France 7.5%, Germany 5%. I would hardly call those figures an "Islamic Invasion" as some countries have claimed it to be.

Which 'countries' are these, then? You seem to be rather confused between countries (represented, presumably, by their governments) and a relatively small number of people living in them. Wilders is an individual that even most Dutch think is crazy, not a 'country'.
 
Which 'countries' are these, then? You seem to be rather confused between countries (represented, presumably, by their governments) and a relatively small number of people living in them. Wilders is an individual that even most Dutch think is crazy, not a 'country'.

The swiss and the french - Burkha and minerat bans.
 
I sometimes think that the efforts of the haters both in Europe and the US might actually help the cause of Islam by bringing more attention to it. After all, the rate of conversion to Islam increased in the US after the world trade center attack, simply due to higher exposure and Islam starting to make headlines like it never had before.

There's a saying in marketing that there's no such thing as bad publicity.
 


You don't believe in hell, how would what's written in many holy books affect you?

Of course it affects me. I have to live in a society in which these same holy books have important political and social implications. I assume you don't agree with Wilders either, but that does not mean he is not important.

But I think that question misses the point a bit in the context of laws on 'hate mongering'. The reason why anti-hate speech laws were invented was not to protect sensitivities, but rather to protect the social peace. They should be understood in the context of the atrocities of the Second World War. What is explicitly not important is how those targeted are directly "affected" by hate speech, after all it is only hate "speech" and not hate "action". What matters is the supposed long-term affect on the masses. How will speech about how Muslims, unbelievers, homosexuals or Jews are bad people affect social relations. The assumption is that such speech might eventually lead to a social and political climate that can lead to violence and discrimination. Laws against hate speech are the proverbial pre-emptive strike against communal violence.

Whether I personally (1) am affected, (2) believe these hate speech claims or (3) take them serious is hardly relevant in that sense. What matters is the social climate they help create, which might be destructive in the long term. In that sense I really do not see the difference between:
  • some holy books saying unbelievers are such evil people they deserve to have their skin burned off over and over for eternity
  • or political speech (like from Wilders) saying Islam is an evil religion
 
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