I'm sorry sister and I know exactly who you think Isa alayhi salaam is. Musa is the beginning, Isa is the continuaton, and Muhammed is the completion of God's instruction. The purpose of your post was to offend christians. Do you think Allah would be pleased?
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I'm sorry sister and I know exactly who you think Isa alayhi salaam is. Musa is the beginning, Isa is the continuaton, and Muhammed is the completion of God's instruction. The purpose of your post was to offend christians. Do you think Allah would be pleased?
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who I think 'Isa is? what Islam says, and whats haqq. i dont believe in what u believe, "lakom deenakom waliya deen". so please, dont give me 'do u think Allah would be pleased' I DONT BELIEVE IN WHAT U BELIEVE. and actually i first made a supplictation for u to be guided if not may Allah curse upon those who insult the Prophet salla Allahu 'alayhi wassalam. and this was my last post here, goodbye Izyan.
Why the anger sister? Did I insult Muhammed (PBUH)? If I did it was unintentional. You do realize I am one of the people of the book don't you? You do realize that we DO believe the same things to a large extent don't you? It's just where we reach Isa is where our belief fork. Since this is not a theology discussion I will drop it. Peace be upon you sister.
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The 'fork' starts much earlier than that, actually.
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It ain't a movie. That guy just compiled all the available videos of radical extremists giving speeches and 9/11 footage which were already available online and which I had seen before. ONLY this time he tried to link all those stuff to Qur'anic text implying that Qur'an promotes terrorism and extremism. He took the verses out of context and that's pretty much all in it.
I ain't angry or pissed. It's very easy to refute his bull crap.
#Muslims have set up websites explaining the proper context and full explanation of the so-called "Violent Verses" which many tend to relate to terrorism:
http://www.islamic-shield.com/2008/01/violent-verses.html
As we all know it's easy to misquote any verse from any scripture and then make it look violent and evil. I am sure Christians would tend to agree with me because if we do what the bigots and Islam haters do to the Qur'an to the Bible; this is what we get:
Numbers 31:17-18 "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Luke 19:27 Jesus said, "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
.....and so on. I had to bring them out of context to get my point across.
#Yeah and later add some images of Crusades and Inquisitions to the background of this 'verses' and you get "Fitna"
#I was expecting more than that amature attempt. There was another film released earlier about Radical Islam; that was better than this piece of s h i t. This is a waste of time.
I ain't angry or pissed. It's very easy to refute his bull crap.
#Muslims have set up websites explaining the proper context and full explanation of the so-called "Violent Verses" which many tend to relate to terrorism:
http://www.islamic-shield.com/2008/01/violent-verses.html
As we all know it's easy to misquote any verse from any scripture and then make it look violent and evil. I am sure Christians would tend to agree with me because if we do what the bigots and Islam haters do to the Qur'an to the Bible; this is what we get:
Numbers 31:17-18 "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Luke 19:27 Jesus said, "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
.....and so on. I had to bring them out of context to get my point across.
#Yeah and later add some images of Crusades and Inquisitions to the background of this 'verses' and you get "Fitna"
#I was expecting more than that amature attempt. There was another film released earlier about Radical Islam; that was better than this piece of s h i t. This is a waste of time.
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hehe, ur always so serious with ur anwers muezzin, lighten up ur comments abit
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After much consideration and with some reluctance I have finally watched the film in question. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to comment on it here.
With Geert Wilders being a right-wing politician, it is not difficult to guess what his motivations for this movie are ...
Clearly he is not trying to give a balanced presentation of Islam ...
His film is not showing the views/attitudes an lifestyles of the majority of Muslims who live peaceful lives in their communities.
His film is not showing the caring, charitable teachings in Islam.
His film is not showing that the vast majority of Muslims does not engage in acts of terrorism and violence.
However, his film is showing the actions and words of a powerful minority of Muslims, who do indeed interpret certain verses in the Qu'ran in action which result in the stoning of adulteresses, the hanging of gay men, the beheading of infidels, and suicide bomb attacks.
Wilders did not invent this kind of footage.
These are the very real acts, by real people, committed in the name of Islam, based on real verses in the Qu'ran.
We cannot deny this!
What Muslims across world have to do is to ask themselves whether they agree. Agree with the Imams who call for the killing of Jews and other non-Muslims. Agree with stoning, beheading and hanging under various circumstances. Agree with suicide bombing aimed at civilians.
And if they don't agree, they must speak out. Loudly! Publically!
Perhaps the anger of Muslims should not be directed at Geert Wilders, but against those people who enabled him to make a film of such a nature in the first place!
But I am not just speaking about Islam here.
The Bible too, contains verses which - interpreted in certain ways - can lead to acts of hatred and violence. Christians too, commit crimes and atrocities in the name of God and their religion.
We need to speak out against such people. We need to condemn their actions and distance ourselves from them!
It is the violent and hateful acts of those people, which the world sees and associates with (our) religion.
Those acts are the reason for a growing secular voice, which asserts that religion leads to violence and that without religion this world would be a more peaceful place.
It is up to us, who represent God and our faiths on this earth, to show the world the love and compassion, the peace and goodness and charity of God - otherwise, how will the world know?
Peace to you all.
With Geert Wilders being a right-wing politician, it is not difficult to guess what his motivations for this movie are ...
Clearly he is not trying to give a balanced presentation of Islam ...
His film is not showing the views/attitudes an lifestyles of the majority of Muslims who live peaceful lives in their communities.
His film is not showing the caring, charitable teachings in Islam.
His film is not showing that the vast majority of Muslims does not engage in acts of terrorism and violence.
However, his film is showing the actions and words of a powerful minority of Muslims, who do indeed interpret certain verses in the Qu'ran in action which result in the stoning of adulteresses, the hanging of gay men, the beheading of infidels, and suicide bomb attacks.
Wilders did not invent this kind of footage.
These are the very real acts, by real people, committed in the name of Islam, based on real verses in the Qu'ran.
We cannot deny this!
What Muslims across world have to do is to ask themselves whether they agree. Agree with the Imams who call for the killing of Jews and other non-Muslims. Agree with stoning, beheading and hanging under various circumstances. Agree with suicide bombing aimed at civilians.
And if they don't agree, they must speak out. Loudly! Publically!
Perhaps the anger of Muslims should not be directed at Geert Wilders, but against those people who enabled him to make a film of such a nature in the first place!
But I am not just speaking about Islam here.
The Bible too, contains verses which - interpreted in certain ways - can lead to acts of hatred and violence. Christians too, commit crimes and atrocities in the name of God and their religion.
We need to speak out against such people. We need to condemn their actions and distance ourselves from them!
It is the violent and hateful acts of those people, which the world sees and associates with (our) religion.
Those acts are the reason for a growing secular voice, which asserts that religion leads to violence and that without religion this world would be a more peaceful place.
It is up to us, who represent God and our faiths on this earth, to show the world the love and compassion, the peace and goodness and charity of God - otherwise, how will the world know?
Peace to you all.
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my dad saw it :S he was showing me the movie. Its on a movie website...dunno if its still up. It didnt make me angry, just made me laff cuz they were all misconceptions. the guy is really in reality making fun of himself, cuz he does what every other punk does, leave out parts of the verses. So really i just laughed. And he will regret he ever did it, when he faces Allah(swt).
And to Glo's post. No good, sane, and practising Muslim would ever EVER agree to stuff like this. Those who know Islam correctly will never agree to it. Maybe i might be missing out, but i really haven't seen and movies against Christians by Muslims. And u would never find it on Jesus cuz we love him for Allahs sake and cuz we have to believe in him, otherwise we cant be considered Muslims.
And to Glo's post. No good, sane, and practising Muslim would ever EVER agree to stuff like this. Those who know Islam correctly will never agree to it. Maybe i might be missing out, but i really haven't seen and movies against Christians by Muslims. And u would never find it on Jesus cuz we love him for Allahs sake and cuz we have to believe in him, otherwise we cant be considered Muslims.
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Hi Jazzy
What do you make of them?
What about those who carry out the killing of the adulterous woman? And the hanging of the gay men? Are they not real Muslims?
What do you think?
I have not seen anywhere that Geert Wilders describes himself as a Christian ...
(Don't make the mistake to assume that everybody in the Western world, who is not a Muslim, is automatically a Christian. That's not the case.)
I think Wilders motivation is based on 'Islamisation vs Western democratic values'
What about those Imams and Muslim teachers shown in the film, calling for the killing of infidels? Are they all wrong? Are they not real Muslims?
What do you make of them?
What about those who carry out the killing of the adulterous woman? And the hanging of the gay men? Are they not real Muslims?
What do you think?
I don't consider this film to be motivated by a 'Christian against Muslims' sentiment.
I have not seen anywhere that Geert Wilders describes himself as a Christian ...
(Don't make the mistake to assume that everybody in the Western world, who is not a Muslim, is automatically a Christian. That's not the case.)
I think Wilders motivation is based on 'Islamisation vs Western democratic values'
I don't think Geert Wilders is a Christian though. He explicitely asked the Catholic church in his hometown to remove him from the members list. He is either an agnostic or an atheist. Islam doesn't love either :exhausted.
The number of movies or fatwa's online urging Muslims to not deal with the kafirs and expressing their evilness is quite mind boggling.
"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"
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Sorry I'm going to be a bit nasty again, but apparently it is necessary to make some Muslims understand that some of their beliefs are by no means without 'offense'. Imagine some Dutch politician would release a book, film or manifest with the following message:
1. Dutch women should not be allowed to marry Muslims (http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=115&ln=eng)
2. Dutch people should not befriend Muslims (http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=11793&ln=eng)
3. The Dutch should not resemble or imitate Muslims (http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=1189&ln=eng)
4. Dutch social security benefits should only go to non-Muslims (http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=3854&ln=eng)
5. Muslims should be taxed differently from the rest of Dutch society
6. Dutch people should buy goods preferably from other ethnically Dutch people, rather than from a Muslim (http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=6699&ln=eng)
Just imagine the outcry. I could go on for quite a while there and all these rulings are from an apparently respected and mainstream website. And I don't even have to quote the offensive segments in Islamic holy books where we really aren't referred to in a respectable manner. I know many of these opinions are probably not shared by most Muslims, but they constitute a significant minority opinion, one which cannot simply be ignored. Just because Islamic insults and generalizations about the 'kuffaar' are written in an ancient book doesn't make them any less wrong. The Muslim community certainly has it's own disrespectful extremists, who IMHO are most certainly are not a shred better than Mr Wilders. Portraying Islam as an innocent doctrine that would never hurt the feelings of non-Muslims is very much false.
1. Dutch women should not be allowed to marry Muslims (http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=115&ln=eng)
2. Dutch people should not befriend Muslims (http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=11793&ln=eng)
3. The Dutch should not resemble or imitate Muslims (http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=1189&ln=eng)
4. Dutch social security benefits should only go to non-Muslims (http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=3854&ln=eng)
5. Muslims should be taxed differently from the rest of Dutch society
6. Dutch people should buy goods preferably from other ethnically Dutch people, rather than from a Muslim (http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=6699&ln=eng)
Just imagine the outcry. I could go on for quite a while there and all these rulings are from an apparently respected and mainstream website. And I don't even have to quote the offensive segments in Islamic holy books where we really aren't referred to in a respectable manner. I know many of these opinions are probably not shared by most Muslims, but they constitute a significant minority opinion, one which cannot simply be ignored. Just because Islamic insults and generalizations about the 'kuffaar' are written in an ancient book doesn't make them any less wrong. The Muslim community certainly has it's own disrespectful extremists, who IMHO are most certainly are not a shred better than Mr Wilders. Portraying Islam as an innocent doctrine that would never hurt the feelings of non-Muslims is very much false.
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Anyway, I heard that the Sheikh who answers on Islam q-a is a Salafi. Sometimes he is hard line.
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i haven't watched it because i am sure someone is watching the number of hits and gloating. it sounds like classic fearmongering.
however, that said - i think glo (post#88) and KAding (post#92) raise valid issues that are of concern to many non-muslims (and i'm not talking about bigots here) about islam.
however, that said - i think glo (post#88) and KAding (post#92) raise valid issues that are of concern to many non-muslims (and i'm not talking about bigots here) about islam.
1) Whether you are talking about nationality or religion it doesn't make it right to discourage muslims from marrying non muslims. Most of the time only women are encouraged not to marry non muslims. Men are encouraged to marry kaffirs and revert them.
2) The Quran explicitly says not to take Jews and christians as friends or companions.
3)Nothing is wrong with keeping with your culture but don't expect your host country to make exceptions for you.
4)I'm offended because it's offensive. the Zakat is a set amount Charity is not. 10 cents could be considered charity.
5) the Jizyah is for protection and it does not allow for the same rights as a muslim and you know it.
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muslims taking jews and christians as friends
Got that just now from another threads, props to Al Habeshi.
Got that just now from another threads, props to Al Habeshi.
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people who encourage the others on killing innocent people or hurt them by tongue or by the hand are not real Muslims.....
anyway ,The Qura`n doesn`t encourage Muslims to kill or hurt innocent people ....
you have to read The Qura`n with meditation and conversance of its words to understad it correctly ......
The Qura`n is the words of The Lord Allah and Allah forbided the injustice on himself and on his creatures ,how would he order his creatures to be injustice ??
at the end ,in the hereafter Allah will repay all of his creatures rightly...
Allah says"Truly! Allah wrongs not mankind in aught; but mankind wrong themselves"
sura Yunus 44...
may Allah guide us all to the right path and I mean it guide us all....all of us to the right path...
ameeeeeen
with all my respect:
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anyway ,The Qura`n doesn`t encourage Muslims to kill or hurt innocent people ....
you have to read The Qura`n with meditation and conversance of its words to understad it correctly ......
The Qura`n is the words of The Lord Allah and Allah forbided the injustice on himself and on his creatures ,how would he order his creatures to be injustice ??
at the end ,in the hereafter Allah will repay all of his creatures rightly...
Allah says"Truly! Allah wrongs not mankind in aught; but mankind wrong themselves"
sura Yunus 44...
may Allah guide us all to the right path and I mean it guide us all....all of us to the right path...
ameeeeeen
with all my respect:
Amat Allah
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Yes, they are wrong. They believe in God, but have the wrong opinions about other things in the faith. Now, aren't there Christians like that? Atheists like that? Of course they exist. Are they 'real'? Now what do we do with them?
Should we kill them? Should we kill the wrong-doing Muslims, Christians, Atheists, Jews..? If violence ain't the solution, which I do not believe it is, what can we do? You all could also give some suggestions, instead of going at us Muslims "what to do?". We don't know, you don't know, they don't know. Stupid dilemma.
No, how many times do we need to say that? Those popes who take advantage of young boys are they not real Christians?
Both are false, both idiotic sides. My father came to Finland, of all countries, 15 years ago. One week in this country and a well-learned teacher, from a famous university here who met him in a meeting and goes at him "In our history and religious books you Muslims are portrayed as blood-sucking beasts and barbaric people who hate peace. This is how history teaches us, don't expect goodness from us."
Hah. We obviously know the hate non Muslims have towards us is nothing new. You said about the ancient books insulting you are not any less insulting just cuz they are old. But ho! Why the heck bother about the ancient books, can't you look pass that? As said, it is a minority who has this great hate towards non Muslims, continue writing hateful books and with all due respect, do you await love and hugs from Muslims in Iraq and Afganistan after what the non Muslims do there today, not hundreds of years ago? Now you could throw an argument of the same kind right back at me, and probably someone will BUT what does that help?
We can discuss forever and be mainly satisfying our own needs to feel we're doing something, whilst others suffer daily.
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The bible dosnt actually say " Go have sex with and molest little kids" and as far as I'm aware no figure in the bible does that either.
It does tell beleivers in Christianity and judism to stone adultors. "stone them with stones" apparently. as opposed to stoning them with cheesecakes ofc.
You say that the two sites are idiotic. i'm sure that I could pull up another thosand sites that say the same thing. I'm sure you beleive that this interpretation of Islam is wrong. I'm sutre that a hundred thousand Imams would tell you that your wrong and a hundred thousand more tell you you are correct.
Who is actually right?
In the main part of your post you sum it up as "You lot do that to us", then talk about Afganistan.
What was the US presence in Afganistan on september the tenth 2001?
It does tell beleivers in Christianity and judism to stone adultors. "stone them with stones" apparently. as opposed to stoning them with cheesecakes ofc.
You say that the two sites are idiotic. i'm sure that I could pull up another thosand sites that say the same thing. I'm sure you beleive that this interpretation of Islam is wrong. I'm sutre that a hundred thousand Imams would tell you that your wrong and a hundred thousand more tell you you are correct.
Who is actually right?
In the main part of your post you sum it up as "You lot do that to us", then talk about Afganistan.
What was the US presence in Afganistan on september the tenth 2001?
No, I don't believe hundred of thousand would tell me that, absolutely not.
That's you're all problem, you really think so many would say that, wheres there are just a few who got the power to speak out in some places and therefor combined with the hate random Muslims have towards non Muslims exactly because they make them suffer in their countries, it makes it look like millions Imams have spoken.
Ooh, don't even try it. The US had been present in Afganistan way before 9/11, and to tell you the truth I didn't even think about 9/11 when writing that post, but if I had been, then think of a few fools who planned the attack compared to thousands of innocent ones, and then the army comes and makes their lives a hell. To think one can keep Afganistan out of here in thinking it's justified cuz "they attacked us", is ridicilous. Much more harm is done by the "revenge" of the US than the attack 9/11 ever did.
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