Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

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Ebtisweetsam said:
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Is there an english translation?:giggling:
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It's really tempting to say - try google!

but I'm not tempted.

english translation: "Good Morning Mr. - How are you? I hope fine."

there you go.

Salaam sis!
 
Okay, we're straying now. This thread is about one Dutch MP who said something stupid and was told off for it. It is not about making allegations of racism against entire countries. Any more of that talk after this post will be removed.
 
guyabano said:
Good Post, and you are right. But tell me, is that really surprising you? Supposed, you live in an muslim country living strictly islamic. Now comes a bunch of christians and start to 'multiply' and claim their rights, would you act the same way, just in an islamic way and ban bible, etc ?

be honest !
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I am always honest... it is not islamic to lie. moreover - lying needs to be covered up with another lie -that's a very stressful and restless life to live.

If I am in his position - I would make a good analysis and study of the situation... make a big picture chart. then, study what will be the best alternative courses of actions... weight and evalutate or even make simulation models. But never will I touch something they consider sacred like banning their books.

It is like... sinister in its very nature. Only a criminal mind would do such an act... there are more than 1001 ways to kill a cat - and shooting the cats owner is not one of them. (ok - that's a metaphor - I am not promoting any killing - please don't qoute me on that line alone, OK?.)

Peace Bro! :)
 
Sounds like many of the small time politicians are up for reelection and they know they have little chance of winning. So as a last effort to gain publicity they are making controversial and radical statements that will bring world attention.

a politicians big enemy is anonymity. To survive they need to be heard, not, believed or agreed with, just heard.

this is very similar to our State Rep here in the US who recently made a bad statement to 30 people and instantly became world famous. maybe few if any people agree with him, but he is certain that come election time his name will look familiar even if people can't remember why.
 
KAding said:
Do you live in the Netherlands? Or have you lived here?

I know plenty of Muslims, and they do not get spat or sworn on. One Muslim school was burned down (in the village Uden) by a couple of teenagers the day Theo van Gogh was murdered by a Muslim radical. The perpetrators have been caught and punished and the school rebuild. You are mad if you think "most have been burnt down".

The Netherlands is one of the only countries in the West in which there are publicly financed Islamic schools. The government is paying for these schools. There are 48 of these.
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no i am in the UK but i know a lot about hollan.

You need to get your facts right first, here in the UK we also have government financed muslim school buts ill be honest with you we dont have too many. most here are payed by muslim parents but still there are some.

also i think france and germany has muslim schools which are government finances.
i dont mean to generalise and i do apologise.
 
Muezzin said:
Okay, we're straying now. This thread is about one Dutch MP who said something stupid and was told off for it. It is not about making allegations of racism against entire countries. Any more of that talk after this post will be removed.
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sorry it was my fault kind off. now lets get back on topic
 
Woodrow said:
Sounds like many of the small time politicians are up for reelection and they know they have little chance of winning. So as a last effort to gain publicity they are making controversial and radical statements that will bring world attention.

a politicians big enemy is anonymity. To survive they need to be heard, not, believed or agreed with, just heard.

this is very similar to our State Rep here in the US who recently made a bad statement to 30 people and instantly became world famous. maybe few if any people agree with him, but he is certain that come election time his name will look familiar even if people can't remember why.
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Completely true. It is good, old-fashioned political demagoguery. Hitler was the king of kings. Demonizing those who are unlike the majority or who are foreign has worked forever.

Demonizing the US has worked to get leftist governments elected in Europe and South America. Now the rightists are demonizing Muslims and immigrants to get elected.
 
Cognescenti said:
Completely true. It is good, old-fashioned political demagoguery. Hitler was the king of kings. Demonizing those who are unlike the majority or who are foreign has worked forever.

Demonizing the US has worked to get leftist governments elected in Europe and South America. Now the rightists are demonizing Muslims and immigrants to get elected.
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Quite true. In order to be believed a politician does not need to say the truth. All they need to do is convince people they will fight an alleged enemy, even if they have to fabricate the enemy.

Historically that tactic has been very effective world wide and continues to be so today. If you are a politician in a non-western country the quickest way to gain support is to be anti-American and the opposite holds true. A poor unknown American politician with no support can gain rapid support by just saying they are against any group that is not identified as being American. they do not even have to be in favor of anything, just so long as they are anti-something or somebody.
 
Woodrow said:
Quite true. In order to be believed a politician does not need to say the truth. All they need to do is convince people they will fight an alleged enemy, even if they have to fabricate the enemy.

Historically that tactic has been very effective world wide and continues to be so today. If you are a politician in a non-western country the quickest way to gain support is to be anti-American and the opposite holds true. A poor unknown American politician with no support can gain rapid support by just saying they are against any group that is not identified as being American. they do not even have to be in favor of anything, just so long as they are anti-something or somebody.
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And the Truth Prevails! but people is always swayed by this cheap tactics... Is there a Huda Channel in Texas?
 
Woodrow said:
Quite true. In order to be believed a politician does not need to say the truth. All they need to do is convince people they will fight an alleged enemy, even if they have to fabricate the enemy.

Historically that tactic has been very effective world wide and continues to be so today. If you are a politician in a non-western country the quickest way to gain support is to be anti-American and the opposite holds true. A poor unknown American politician with no support can gain rapid support by just saying they are against any group that is not identified as being American. they do not even have to be in favor of anything, just so long as they are anti-something or somebody.
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Agreed. In fairness, though, no clumsy anti-Muslim politician is not going to gain more than a few percentage points on that platform alone. Pandering to the voter (usually with handouts) trumps demagoguery in the US. So, for eg., a guy who says "let's tax the rich, they have to pay their fair share! And we can use the money for <insert program name here>" can easily gain 30-40% support immediately. This is especially clever as it combines demagoguery and pandering.
 
believer said:
And the Truth Prevails! but people is always swayed by this cheap tactics... Is there a Huda Channel in Texas?
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:w:

Not that I am aware of. I live with my daughter and her family. They are hooked up to Dish and I have not watched any TV except occasional news broadcasts for at least 5 years.
 
Woodrow said:
Quite true. In order to be believed a politician does not need to say the truth. All they need to do is convince people they will fight an alleged enemy, even if they have to fabricate the enemy.

Historically that tactic has been very effective world wide and continues to be so today. If you are a politician in a non-western country the quickest way to gain support is to be anti-American and the opposite holds true. A poor unknown American politician with no support can gain rapid support by just saying they are against any group that is not identified as being American. they do not even have to be in favor of anything, just so long as they are anti-something or somebody.
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Who will say what goes on in this MPs head. But I personally think he believes in what he says and that it is not simply a cheap tactic. I mean, if there are enough voters who believe that Islam is such a threat, why would there not be politicians who believe the same? They are people too after all.
 
many politicians already think islam is a threat, just take a look at the many right wing extremists we have in our government, France has la pen and his party, britain has the BNP and national front and so on
 
bint_khalid said:
many politicians already think islam is a threat, just take a look at the many right wing extremists we have in our government, France has la pen and his party, britain has the BNP and national front and so on
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Agreed. In fact, if we define Islam as being the Sharia then 99% of politicians would be against. Pretty much everyone sees the Sharia as a threat and would resist it. I wouldn't define that as Islamophobia though, it is only natural for non-Muslims not to want the sharia.

And lets be honest here, there are plenty of Muslims who are just as afraid of Western influences in their societies. It's simply a natural reaction, a desire to protect your own culture and heritage.
 
KAding said:
Agreed. In fact, if we define Islam as being the Sharia then 99% of politicians would be against. Pretty much everyone sees the Sharia as a threat and would resist it. I wouldn't define that as Islamophobia though, it is only natural for non-Muslims not to want the sharia.

And lets be honest here, there are plenty of Muslims who are just as afraid of Western influences in their societies. It's simply a natural reaction, a desire to protect your own culture and heritage.
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why is sharia a threat? sharia is to get rid of crime, evil. Make it a safe place for muslims and non muslims to both live in a secure environment free from any evil or crime.
 
KAding said:
Agreed. In fact, if we define Islam as being the Sharia then 99% of politicians would be against. Pretty much everyone sees the Sharia as a threat and would resist it. I wouldn't define that as Islamophobia though, it is only natural for non-Muslims not to want the sharia.
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I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this. How is seeing the Shariah as a threat not Islamophobia? :?
 
exactly sister!thats what i would like to know too, i dont understand that.
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i think he's saying thats it ok for non-muslims to hate the islamic way of life, islamic values and islamic concepts...

of course its perfectly fine for westerners to spread their "values" and way of life through bombs and murder in muslim lands :nervous:
 
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