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Grace Seeker said:
I've known Christians who said similar things with regard to dying on the mission field. Indeed one good friend of mine was praying so fervently that he might be able to die for God and let him become a martyr in this way that God actually responded and spoke to him saying, "What if I should ask you not to die for me, but live for me?" He says he realized that he was using the idea of dying for God as a way of escaping from the responsibility of the daily grind of living for God that God wanted of him. That death (at least for him, not saying for all) was relatively easy compared to life which involved a daily dying to self in order to live according to God's will and way of life.

Would those thoughts (what God asked my friend to reflect on) resonate within an Islamic mindset or would they be foreign to it?
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It would boil down to intention I suppose. If you are sincere and want to die only for the pleasure of god rather than having to escape from the everyday grind.

My opinion is that every muslim should be living for god irrespective of his situation and the final test of faith would be that he is prepared to part from the comforts of this world, family, wealth etc. for the pleasure of god alone. I suppose that is why suicide is forbidden in Islam, because you live for allah and his pleasure and none of the difficulties in life should turn you away from this it should bring you closer to him. The same way dying in the path of god would bring you closer to him. In my opinion I would think the highest form of love for someone would be when you are prepared to lay down your life for them, hence the high rank afforded to martyrs in Islam.
 
Muslimeen said:
More than all of this I wish to die on the battle field, fighting for the course of allah, with no other intention but for the pleasure of allah. I wish to be resurructed on the day of qiyamah with blood flowing from all parts of my body, so that if I am asked what happend to me, I will be able to say I sacrificed my life for allah and my blood will bear testimony to this fact.
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Or you could die peacefully in bed after a long life of helping others to have better lives, rather than killing and maiming them. Your call as to which Allah might prefer.

Listen, there is no such thing as "dying for Allah". An omnipotent God by definition needs nobody to die promoting His interests; He can sort those out himself without all that flowing blood. All that phrase ever means is dying for the sake of furthering somebody else's interests, somebody very human, and invoking the 'name of Allah' to motivate the young and the gullible to die for their benefit.
 
Trumble said:
Or you could die peacefully in bed after a long life of helping others to have better lives, rather than killing and maiming them. Your call as to which Allah might prefer.

Listen, there is no such thing as "dying for Allah". An omnipotent God by definition needs nobody to die promoting His interests; He can sort those out himself without all that flowing blood. All that phrase ever means is dying for the sake of furthering somebody else's interests, somebody very human, and invoking the 'name of Allah' to motivate the young and the gullible to die for their benefit.
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How is defending your religion, mosques, homes, the honour and dignity of your mothers and sisters, like in Iraq or Afghanistan regarded as furthering somebody else's interests??

Your statements remind me of the following verse of the quran:

And when it is said to them: Spend out of what Allah has given you, those who disbelieve say to those who believe: Shall we feed him whom, if Allah please, He could feed? You are in naught but clear error. (Surah Yasin)

Would you say the same about a dying man or hungry child on the side of the street?? Why should I help? Allah should help them. You are missing the point, allah does not need us, we need him, these are opportunities for us to gain closeness to him. To fight oppression is not frowned upon by anyone, but why is it frowned upon if fought in the name of Allah, if I said I was going to die for my country or for the liberation of people, would your response have been the same??

I am sure you would'nt mind dying for your country, family or defending what you believe in, so why the double standards?? Just because it is in the name of ALLAH??
 
Muslimeen said:
How is defending your religion, mosques, homes, the honour and dignity of your mothers and sisters, like in Iraq or Afghanistan regarded as furthering somebody else's interests??
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Because that isn't what is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is exactly my point. It has nothing to do with "mosques, homes, the honour and dignity of your mothers and sisters", only the battle for control between groups and factions. It's always that way.

To fight oppression is not frowned upon by anyone, but why is it frowned upon if fought in the name of Allah, if I said I was going to die for my country or for the liberation of people, would your response have been the same??
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A country is nothing to die for, it's words on a page and lines on a map. It's people that are important. But when some people have to invoke patriotism to motivate people to fight their war, something stinks somewhere, just as it does when they invoke religion. In the case of fighting oppression, or the genuine 'liberation' of anybody, neither is necessary - the justice of the cause is self-evident.
 
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Salaam/Peace

Grace Seeker said:
... what is so special about saying it in the moment before death?
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unwillingly and unknowingly we may commit blasphemy. Take this example : someone helped me and I thank him/her like this : I am so lucky , u were there to help me ; if u did not help me .........etc etc . Sometimes we forget to thank God Almighty for sending the right peron at the correct moment . So , while thanking someone for help , we should always first show gratitude to God .

Thus , unconsiously we may commit a kind of shirk i.e show gratitude to someone else except God .

Before sleep , I utter the Shahada so that if i die in sleep , i die with faith in one God and His messenger . Before death , I and all Muslims should want to utter the Shahada.
 
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Trumble said:
Because that isn't what is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is exactly my point. It has nothing to do with "mosques, homes, the honour and dignity of your mothers and sisters", only the battle for control between groups and factions. It's always that way.

A country is nothing to die for, it's words on a page and lines on a map. It's people that are important. But when some people have to invoke patriotism to motivate people to fight their war, something stinks somewhere, just as it does when they invoke religion. In the case of fighting oppression, or the genuine 'liberation' of anybody, neither is necessary - the justice of the cause is self-evident.
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It is obvious that one group would be fighting another and for control, it is what the group stands for that matters. eg. establishing shariah law, and ridding the country of foreign invasion like in Afghanistan.

In your opinion it seems nothing is worth dying for, in my opinion that is cowardice. I don't like war or the suffering that it brings with it, but if anyone brings it to our shores I am prepared to die fighting them, Islam teaches us to fight oppression.
 
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Asalamu Alekum

I would also love to die while fighting for Allah, not because am blood thirsty, that's not what Islam is about, but because I love Allah and that's the least I could do for Him. But if that doesn't happen then I would love to die while am fasting and bowing down to Allah with tears in my eyes. It would be so wonderful if that could happen while am performing Hajj. You know just thinking of this makes me so happy although whenever I think of the day of judgment I can't but shiver... I pray we all have a good end inshallah ameen.

asalamu alekum
 
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