Eating Pizza In Non Halal Parlours Is It Not Haram

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IsaAbdullah said:
Assalamu aleykum Brother,

I hope all is well, and I hope you don't mind me asking you a couple of questions based on the statement below, even though it was not directed at me.



If you out of your own piety feel that it is best to be avoided then Alhamdulilah.




There mere fact that the outlet apologised is a sign that it was a mistake which will be avoided in the future.

If I had the experience of seeing a worker not wash his hands, I would ask someone if that is their polocy, if it is not and they rebuke the person, which they should since they claim in their menu that the piza is vegetarian, then I do not see any harm in going there again, since their polocy is to change their gloves and so on, if they say it is not then I would not go there again.
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Yes brother the question was put in front of person in charge and his statement was as follows.


They do not wash there hands on each preparesion or change gloves, the reason to wear gloves is merely for health and safety purpose.


Therefore the vegetarian pizza's are prepared with same gloves as previously used for non veg, and surely this suggests it is possible to contiminate food.


However i have no authority to judge each individuals liking to what they feel about what they eat, but it's merely a QUESTION i raised to elobrate on views.


PS: This incident took place in UK, so i am not sure how pizzas are prepared elsewhere.


Salams

Aslam
 
Mu'Min said:
Alright, I'm glad you feel that way. And thanks for not understanding why I feel the way I do.
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Am confused, if I have done or said something wrong please point it out to me and I apologise.

Az969 said:
Yes brother the question was put in front of person in charge and his statement was as follows.


They do not wash there hands on each preparesion or change gloves, the reason to wear gloves is merely for health and safety purpose.


Therefore the vegetarian pizza's are prepared with same gloves as previously used for non veg, and surely this suggests it is possible to contiminate food.


However i have no authority to judge each individuals liking to what they feel about what they eat, but it's merely a QUESTION i raised to elobrate on views.


PS: This incident took place in UK, so i am not sure how pizzas are prepared elsewhere.


Salams

Aslam
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If it is their polocy not to change their gloves or wash their hands inbetween each preparation then I would personally not go, and I would chalange them, because they claim their pizza is suitable for vegetarians yet they do not seem to take the proper measures, but at this moment, i think that maybe that particular store's polocy maybe like that or taht the person you spoke to made a mistake.

Wierd polocy! :)
 
IsaAbdullah said:
If I had the experience of seeing a worker not wash his hands, I would ask someone if that is their polocy, if it is not and they rebuke the person, which they should since they claim in their menu that the piza is vegetarian, then I do not see any harm in going there again, since their polocy is to change their gloves and so on, if they say it is not then I would not go there again.
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I used to buy vegie burgers from subway... they sell all types of meat there too... until one day i saw that there was a peice of meat in the cheese bucket that had got in there by accident! :heated: What choice do I have after I saw that? How many times could this have happened before and I just didnt know because I hadnt seen it?

I dont think it is worth taking the risk when you know that things can and do go wrong.
 
If it's a mistake then I might reconsider going there but I doubt it would stop me for the simple fact that everyone makes mistakes
 
cheese said:
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I used to buy vegie burgers from subway... they sell all types of meat there too... until one day i saw that there was a peice of meat in the cheese bucket that had got in there by accident! :heated: What choice do I have after I saw that? How many times could this have happened before and I just didnt know because I hadnt seen it?

I dont think it is worth taking the risk when you know that things can and do go wrong.
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I agree with you. That's one of the reasons why I stoped eating at fast food joints... I mean if they're gonna do it front of your face... what the heck could they be doing behind your back?
 
Suitable for vegetarians: Is a subject which needs to be addressed, suitable for vegetarian means something diiferent to someone who addresess such issues.

I have found Magarine (butter) which says ' Suitable for vegetarians' but reading the ingridients it says it contains fish oil, how does that make suitable for vegetarian i don't know.


However for muslim i assume it would be premissable to eat such product, but it does not mean it is suitable as stated.

Now how do we address this.

Anyways i will conclude my question here and i thank all brothers and sisters who have responded to my question.


Salams
 
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IsaAbdullah said:
If it's a mistake then I might reconsider going there but I doubt it would stop me for the simple fact that everyone makes mistakes
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But you know that the possiblity is there! So what if its a mistake? If you know a mistake is likely to occur then why take the chance? There is doubt in that place, therefore you shouldnt eat there. Go eat at a halal place were there is no doubt, and even if something did go there as well, at least you have the valid excuse that the place is halal and a mistake wasnt expected to happen.

You dont have anyway excuse with non-halal places because you know the risk but you did it anyway.
 
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IsaAbdullah said:
Phew, am glad I didnt upset you. :)
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You know what... you're gonna make it far kid... it's nice of you to care about my feelings and now I can fully understand why you choose to not eat there. Hey, look at the bright side... it's bad for your health anyway!;D
 
cheese said:
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^But you know that the possiblity is there! So what if its a mistake? If you know a mistake is likely to occur then why take the chance? There is doubt in that place, therefore you shouldnt eat there. Go eat at a halal place were there is no doubt, and even if something did go there as well, at least you have the valid excuse that the place is halal and a mistake wasnt expected to happen.

You dont have anyway excuse with non-halal places because you know the risk but you did it anyway.
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If it is a mistake then it is a mistake, mistakes happen, if it was a mistake that always happend then I wouldnt go, but if it was a rare mistake then I would still go.

Since I do not think that a mistake would make the whole shop Haram.

If someone out of their own piety wants to go to a halal place then they can, but I see no sin on me if I go to a place which says they sell Vegetarian food, to me that is the same as them saying it's Halal, a mistake is a mistake
 
cheese said:
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But you know that the possiblity is there! So what if its a mistake? If you know a mistake is likely to occur then why take the chance? There is doubt in that place, therefore you shouldnt eat there. Go eat at a halal place were there is no doubt, and even if something did go there as well, at least you have the valid excuse that the place is halal and a mistake wasnt expected to happen.

You dont have anyway excuse with non-halal places because you know the risk but you did it anyway.
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Bravo Sister well said.
 
The Food industry is getting really tough these days.

I know quite afew HALAL Resturants that have BYO options, but there are also many which Serve Alcohol too.

The way i see it, i am there for the food, so i simply eat the food, enjoy the company of my friends, and thats that.

Look at it this way,.. whenever a MUSLIM opens a Business (Food-related business), What do alot of Muslims around him do?

They Critise his/her efforts.

I've seen it happen alot,.. Muslim man starts business,.. Other muslims spread lies about his business ( "I found a snail in the food!" which eventually turned into "..well, it was my brother in laws aunt who found it in her food.." which turned into "I found a mushroom that was the shape of a snail...") Eventually, the lies spread so far and wide, other Muslims start to avoid that Business.

Who has the poor muslim guy got to rely on?

The Non-muslims customers.

And then Muslims started complaining that he had a BYO option at his Resturant, so he stopped that there and then.

What happened next?

No support from the Non-muslim community, no support from the Muslim community. He had to shut down, he lost alot of money due to idiot muslims.

Funny thing is, i've heard those muslims (the ones that spread rumors) complaining "There is nothing around in this country for muslims..."

Before anyone attacks me, i DO NOT SUPPORT Selling of Alcohol in Halal Resturants, but please, either give them your support, or give them a break.

Wa'salaam

-Zubair
 
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^Far out where do you live man... sure isnt like that where I live alhamdulilah
 
Luckily I live in a place where all the Pizza Huts, McDs, KFCs are certified halal.

But I've heard that Burger King's halal certificates not being renewed by the religious authority... anyway it just a rumors.
 
IsaAbdullah said:
If it is a mistake then it is a mistake, mistakes happen, if it was a mistake that always happend then I wouldnt go, but if it was a rare mistake then I would still go.

Since I do not think that a mistake would make the whole shop Haram.

If someone out of their own piety wants to go to a halal place then they can, but I see no sin on me if I go to a place which says they sell Vegetarian food, to me that is the same as them saying it's Halal, a mistake is a mistake
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salaamu alaikum

I understand what you're saying here, that if it is likely the food is not contaminated with haraam then you would eat there and if its likely to be contaminated with haraam then you wouldn't eat there.

I don't see anything wrong with that. I think I read somewhere, a hadith or something that says that life is simple that we shouldn't complicate it.

So if you're certain that the food is good and that there's that one in a million chance that some non halal meat fell in it, then say bismillah and eat. If the restaurant is known to have that happen repeatedly, then you should probably stay away.

At my uni they don't serve halal food so there's no way that i could get halal food for my lunch....i could go out of the college and downtown and find many halal places but then i wouldn't make it back in time for my next class. So for lunch i usually end up eating tuna, salad, or pizza. In this case, I really have no choice and i have to make the highly probable assumption that nothing haraam accidentally fell into the food. In a case like this, I just say bismillah and eat.

Don't make life complicated.
 
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^Why not just bring food from home? :)

Avoiding haram isnt making life complicated, its called being god-fearing muslims, who know that a meal isnt worth being thrown into hell-fire.
 
Actually, I dont know where brother Zubair has seen that, I am begining to dislike new zeland lol sounds terrible.

But here it aint like that, though I have had instances where a brother didnt want to turn the music off in his shop because he said the non-muslims wanted it. Which makes you wonder..

Anyhow,

Sister cheese, if someone told you, your halal meat is halal are you going to believe them?

What if the place they got it from slaughters this way and not that way and so on, are you gonna go check yourself?

Is there just much of chance of halal meat being accidently touched with pig or something than theres a chance of a mistake happening in a shop?

I dont know, I dont see any sin on someone eating from a place which serves halal and non halal food, if there is then someone show me, and if it is just people doing it out of their own piety then good for them.
 
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You know in fast food places like Pizza Hut, they serve alcohol. So is it haraam to sit and eat there, since you're sitting in the presence of alcohol?:?
 

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